Moderators: jsumali2, richierich, ua900, PanAm_DC10, hOMSaR

 
User avatar
Devilfish
Posts: 7075
Joined: Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:52 am

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:58 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 41):
Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 40):
Careful. Dislike of the Hunchback of Puget Sound isn't taken lightly 'round these parts.

Well compared to the Hunchback of Mukilteo...

Aah...yes.....

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/gallery/3384_04_12_08_7_51_43.JPG
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/gallery/3384_04_12_08_7_51_43.JPG

I always smile at the thought of JoeCanuck's nickname for the Dreamlifter -- QUADIMODO    .

However, this twin double-decker is not as grotesquely deformed...one could say it's graceful even...  ...

http://pages.videotron.com/camsim/Page%20Boeing%20700_1024.jpg
http://pages.videotron.com/camsim/Page%20Boeing%20700_1024.jpg
"Everyone is entitled to my opinion." - Garfield
 
Cassi
Posts: 94
Joined: Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:19 pm

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:58 pm

It is also sad because currently jet fuel price is near a 7-year low:

http://www.iata.org/publications/eco...nitor/Pages/price-development.aspx

The fuel bill of a 345 should be roughly the same as it was in 2008 or even earlier.
 
User avatar
Stitch
Posts: 27173
Joined: Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:26 am

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:13 pm

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 43):
One thing I don't get, is that this aircraft was sold as a long haul alternative, and it has 4 engines, but is the economics that bad compared to a T7 ? it must be but HOW BAD?

An EK Fleet Planner once posted a comparison of a DXB-LAX sector with both frames and the A340-500 would burn around 17,000kg more fuel. The 777-200LR could also go out at MZFW (so lifting up to 64,000kg of payload) whereas the A340-500 had to give up 9,000kg of payload weight for fuel (so lifting up to 53,000kg of payload).

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 43):
I remember once someone said that the engine cost and maintenance was killing the A345 A346...is that really true?

Yes, Rolls-Royce agreed to reduce the maintenance cost of four Trent 500s to match the maintenance costs of two GE90-11xBs.

Quoting cschleic (Reply 45):
Does the 345 have a different wing than the regular 340?

Yes, the A340-500 and A340-600 wing has a 1.6m extension along with a tapered chord extension insert along most of it's length, the combination increasing the total wing area. The seventh (most outboard) slat was also extended slightly.
 
airbazar
Posts: 10168
Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:12 pm

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:50 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 48):
Bah. They set the standard for twins: look at the A350 and A320NEO.

I'm talking about aesthetics, not performance. The NEO is butt ugly, IMO. At least the A320neo. The 788 is too. However the 789 and A359 are a little better looking because of the longer fuselage.
 
TC957
Posts: 3816
Joined: Wed May 23, 2012 1:12 pm

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:05 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 49):
I'm sorta surprised that SA never acquired any A345s.

So am I, plus LA and AR given some of their long sectors flown or could have flown.
Hope the ex-TG and SQ frames find a buyer.
 
User avatar
mfranjic
Posts: 240
Joined: Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:54 am

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:33 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 32):
How many 345 were delivered and how many airlines still fly factory-delivered aircraft?

...all delivered Airbus A340-500 aircrafts, sorted alphabetically by the airlines...



.
Iberia´s Airbus A340-642, reg. EC-JOH, powered by four .Trent 556A2-61s
http://imagehosting.io/images/2015/09/30/1059161.jpg
.
Iberia´s Airbus A340-644, reg. EC-JOH, powered by four .Trent 5053A2-62s
http://imagehosting.io/images/2015/09/30/1059161-Trent900.jpg

.
South African Airways´ Airbus A340-642, reg. ZS-SNE powered by four .Trent 556-61s
http://imagehosting.io/images/2015/09/30/1938453-1024.jpg
.
South African Airways´ Airbus A340-645, reg. ZS-SNE powered by four .Trent 5056-61Bs
http://imagehosting.io/images/2015/09/30/1938453-Trent900-1024.jpg


A close up video of Singapore Airlines´ A340-541, reg. 9V-SGB, at Singapore Changi Airport



Nice regards

Mario

P.S. Iberia´s Airbus A340-644, powered by four .Trent 5053A2-62 turbofans (116 in fan) and South African Airways´ Airbus A340-645, powered by four .Trent 5056-61B engines (116 in fan) are actually powered by mfranjic and were not produced  

[Edited 2015-09-30 14:17:04]
"Only a life lived for others is a life worthwhile" - Albert Einstein
 
User avatar
accargofra
Posts: 68
Joined: Sun Jun 19, 2005 5:23 pm

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:00 pm

Quoting mfranjic (Reply 55):
all delivered Airbus A340-500 aircrafts, sorted alphabetically by the airlines...

thanks for the listing of theose beauties!

for MSN 445 - i was told that she was broken up a few weeks ago at GRU or GIG where she rested (not airworthy any longer) for the last few months ...  

cheers

erik R
 
User avatar
Polot
Posts: 10637
Joined: Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:01 pm

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:07 pm

Quoting accargofra (Reply 56):
for MSN 445 - i was told that she was broken up a few weeks ago at GRU or GIG where she rested (not airworthy any longer) for the last few months ...

Yes, it has been apparently scrapped at GIG earlier this month after being stored for the past 4 years.

Flightglobal reported back in 2013 that EK was going to part out one of their A345s, but I can't find any confirmation that they actually did so and which aircraft specifically.
 
yyztpa
Posts: 188
Joined: Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:10 am

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:08 pm

Quoting mfranjic (Reply 55):
all delivered Airbus A340-500 aircrafts, sorted alphabetically by the airlines..

Read elsewhere that one of the former Air Canada A345s subsequently transferred to TAM was scrapped earlier this month due to ground collision in Malta in 2014.

Might be 445 C-GKOL/PT-MSN. Unlike 464, it was not picked up by Lufthansa Technik due to what normally would have been minor damage.

Anybody have information?
 
skipness1E
Posts: 4818
Joined: Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:18 am

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:49 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 57):

Flightglobal reported back in 2013 that EK was going to part out one of their A345s, but I can't find any confirmation that they actually did so and which aircraft specifically.

A6-ERF scrapped (or at least to be parted out at some point) at OMRK

http://fra-spotterforum.de/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=4638
 
JoeCanuck
Posts: 4704
Joined: Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:30 am

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:01 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 38):
For me, it's those different (larger) engines that make it look so good.

  

I wonder if these will end up in Iran?
What the...?
 
bennett123
Posts: 9742
Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2004 12:49 am

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:29 pm

Given that the picture of A6-ERF was taken in June 2014, I expect it is now gone.
 
airbazar
Posts: 10168
Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:12 pm

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:50 pm

Quoting TC957 (Reply 54):

So am I, plus LA and AR given some of their long sectors flown or could have flown.

The A343/6 can fly every route these airlines needed it to (including SA), at a significantly lower cost than the A345.
 
User avatar
LAX772LR
Posts: 13278
Joined: Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:06 pm

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:30 am

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 50):
JoeCanuck's nickname for the Dreamlifter -- QUADIMODO

      
Stealing!!!

Quoting airbazar (Reply 53):
I'm talking about aesthetics, not performance.

I'm aware. Statement remains the same.  

Quoting TC957 (Reply 54):
So am I, plus LA and AR given some of their long sectors flown or could have flown.

AR had the chance, and plenty of "analysts" seem to think it was a done deal.
Then they didn't.

Quoting TC957 (Reply 54):
Hope the ex-TG and SQ frames find a buyer.

Probably will with private providers, or perhaps one of the Iranian carriers if allowed.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
User avatar
TheRedBaron
Posts: 3276
Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 6:17 am

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:35 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 52):

Holy cow 17 tons of fuel and minus 9 tons of useable cargo....!!!

Thanks for the info!

Best Regards

The Red Baron.
The best seat in a Plane is the Jumpseat.
 
User avatar
RWA380
Posts: 5717
Joined: Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:51 am

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:49 am

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 11):
EK can drop it off in my front yard. I think it is one of the most handsome airliners ever built.

Ditto that, either a 345 or even a 74L would be my first choice of private aircraft if I had such money at my disposal.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 11):
Unfortunately it had far too short of a lifespan except as a VIP transport.

The one 345 VIP I've seen inside is so incredibly luxurious that I couldn't help but just stare at every little detail I could see.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 16):
Could someone explain what the aesthetic appeal of the A345 to me is? It just looks like an A343 but with different engines to me.


Completely a matter of preferences to each individual, what one person finds appealing, another person does not. Therefore it's completely a waste of time to argue about it, everyone deserves an opinion & no way everyone will agree.

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 18):
People fawn over the A345, despite it being short, stubby, and disproportional in just about every way.....


The 345 looks proportionate, the 346 looks too long, the 343's engines look too small to me. Totally subjective.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 33):
Size matters.


That parallels my experiences ....

[Edited 2015-09-30 20:21:51]
707 717 720 727-1/2 737-1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9 747-1/2/3/4 757-2/3 767-2/3/4 777-2/3 DC8 DC9 MD80/2/7/8 D10-1/3/4 M11 L10-1/2/5 A300/310/320
AA AC AQ AS BA BD BN CO CS DL EA EZ HA HG HP KL KN MP MW NK NW OZ PA PS QX RC RH RW SA TG TW UA US VS WA WC WN WP YS 8M
 
JoeCanuck
Posts: 4704
Joined: Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:30 am

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Thu Oct 01, 2015 4:36 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 65):
Completely a matter of preferences to each individual, what one person finds appealing, another person does not. Therefore it's completely a waste of time to argue about it, everyone deserves an opinion & no way everyone will agree.

Amen.

There are no wrong answers...though, anyone who says the 727 isn't the best looking aircraft ever is insane.
What the...?
 
bennett123
Posts: 9742
Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2004 12:49 am

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:24 am

Yyztpa

Iirc, PT-MSN left MLA in October 2013.
 
WearyDrover
Posts: 659
Joined: Sat Jul 18, 2015 2:12 am

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:30 am

I used to like flying on the A345 when EK had them on the PER run. The 2-4-2 configuration in Y was preferable to the 3-4-3 of the 777. The seats in J weren't 180° lie-flat but had the advantage of being
2-2-2 as opposed to 2-3-2 on the 777.

Shame to see them go but their replacements offer passengers more amenities while offering tbe airline greater efficiency.
A man may learn wisdom even from a foe - Aristophanes
 
727LOVER
Posts: 8624
Joined: Tue Oct 09, 2001 12:22 am

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:12 pm

Beautiful....simply beautiful.



View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Steve Brimley
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Osipov Dmitry


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Nabeel A. Hashmi
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Demin Alexsey


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Farzad Farajpour - Iranian Spotters
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Sam Chui


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Konstantin von Wedelstaedt
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Chema Gómez


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Yury Stepanov
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Sarmad Al-Khozaie - Tranquillity Aviation Photography


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Sergey Kuzmishkin
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Denis Fedorko


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Lars Hentschel
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Denis Lyaskovskiy



Were these ever flown to the USA?
"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
 
User avatar
Polot
Posts: 10637
Joined: Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:01 pm

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:18 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 69):
Were these ever flown to the USA?

Yes, they operated the DXB-JFK nonstop before the 777 (and later A380) took over.

[Edited 2015-10-01 10:19:23]
 
727LOVER
Posts: 8624
Joined: Tue Oct 09, 2001 12:22 am

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:24 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 70):
Yes, they operated the DXB-JFK nonstop before the 777 (and later A380) took over.

Thanx, I know I've seen one but I can't remember which airline.

About the economics,

What did Airbus promise and what was the reality?

Does EK fly just about every Airbus & Boeing widebody?
"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
 
User avatar
LAX772LR
Posts: 13278
Joined: Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:06 pm

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:38 pm

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 66):
though, anyone who says the 727 isn't the best looking aircraft ever is insane

Concorde scoffs at your insolence!  
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 69):
Were these ever flown to the USA?

In fact, they were the FIRST thing that EK ever flew to the USA.

They were also the first to introduce its iconic F suite concept.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
User avatar
Stitch
Posts: 27173
Joined: Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:26 am

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:49 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 71):
About the economics, what did Airbus promise and what was the reality?

I believe the models met their guarantees, it was just that the longer-range 777s significantly undercut those guarantees with their own.



Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 71):
Does EK fly just about every Airbus & Boeing widebody?

Historically, they have operated every Airbus family (if not every model in each family) directly. On the Boeing side, they never operated the 767 and their 747s were all leased freighters.*

* - They have ordered, then cancelled, the A350 and are currently evaluating the A350 and 787.
 
777way
Posts: 6457
Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:38 am

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:19 pm

^ Have they operated 757?
 
User avatar
Stitch
Posts: 27173
Joined: Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:26 am

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:03 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 74):
^ Have they operated 757?

No, but even if they had, the 757 is not a widebody.  

EK have operated the 727 and 737, however.
 
User avatar
EPA001
Posts: 3893
Joined: Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:13 pm

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:32 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 69):
Beautiful....simply beautiful.

Yes, still to me the best looking airliner ever. But we will see less and less of them pretty soon. Sadly enough.  
 
dubaiamman243
Posts: 1153
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:00 pm

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:53 am

A6-ERE's final flight is coming to an end. its currently at 11,000 ft
The next airline CEO :crossfingers:
 
User avatar
United_fan
Posts: 6691
Joined: Fri Nov 24, 2000 11:11 am

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Sat Oct 03, 2015 3:59 pm

I believe they still operate 3 A340-300's.
"Suspicion is a matter of opinion"
 
Viscount724
Posts: 19316
Joined: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:32 pm

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Sat Oct 03, 2015 4:06 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 70):
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 69):
Were these ever flown to the USA?

Yes, they operated the DXB-JFK nonstop before the 777 (and later A380) took over.

The A345 also operated the DXB-HAM-JFK route for a while before it was replaced with 77W not long before they dropped the HAM-JFK 5th freedom tag-on.
 
727LOVER
Posts: 8624
Joined: Tue Oct 09, 2001 12:22 am

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Sat Oct 03, 2015 5:07 pm

With both EK and EY retiring the 345, I guess this question is moot:

 Second Chance For A340-500 Due To Low Oil Prices? (by TheSonntag Dec 4 2014 in Civil Aviation)
"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
 
User avatar
LAX772LR
Posts: 13278
Joined: Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:06 pm

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Sat Oct 03, 2015 5:38 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 80):
With both EK and EY retiring the 345, I guess this question is moot:

They may get their second chance, but it'll probably be as a private ship for some desert oil sheikh or something.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
airbazar
Posts: 10168
Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:12 pm

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Sat Oct 03, 2015 6:33 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 69):
Were these ever flown to the USA?

EK ordered the A345 specifically for routes to the U.S. At the time it was the only aircraft that could do it.
 
User avatar
LAX772LR
Posts: 13278
Joined: Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:06 pm

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Sat Oct 03, 2015 6:44 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 82):
EK ordered the A345 specifically for routes to the U.S. At the time it was the only aircraft that could do it.

Neither of the above is accurate.

EK advertised several markets when they acquired the birds, and among the most frequent (and first to launch) was in Australia, not North America.

Also, MH was flying DXB-NYC nonstop with a 772ER long before EK was doing it with an A345.

[Edited 2015-10-03 11:45:47]
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
User avatar
DolphinAir747
Posts: 1901
Joined: Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:07 pm

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:49 pm

Glad the final flight went safely in spite of the recent tragedies in Afghanistan.

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 18):

Quoting avek00 (Reply 17):
I'm amused that EK (understandably) retired its 345s ahead of the 343 fleet.

Their product on the 343 is such a joke, Their angle-flat F seats on the 343 are at the level that J was 10 years ago. I think EK wins for product inconsistency when you see what their 388/777/345 F is like. They should at least send them on super-short routes that do not demand a real F product rather than on mid-haul African routes.
 
User avatar
RayChuang
Posts: 8138
Joined: Sat Jun 24, 2000 7:43 am

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:07 am

Were any EK A345's every flown on non-stop routes from DXB to the anywhere in the USA? Or EK started its first routes to the USA with the 77W?
 
User avatar
seabosdca
Posts: 6606
Joined: Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:33 am

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:16 am

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 85):
Were any EK A345's every flown on non-stop routes from DXB to the anywhere in the USA?

Yes, they started their first USA route (JFK) with the 345.

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 83):
Also, MH was flying DXB-NYC nonstop with a 772ER long before EK was doing it with an A345.

EK's 77Es have a regional MTOW and a regional cabin product. It would have taken substantial updating and a MTOW uprate to make them suitable for New York.
 
TKA380
Posts: 164
Joined: Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:05 pm

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:39 am

How long will the 4 A340-300's stay in the fleet for now?
And do they intend to phase out the A330-200's over time - some of them are now 16 years old.

[Edited 2015-10-03 17:40:04]
 
User avatar
Stitch
Posts: 27173
Joined: Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:26 am

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:41 am

Quoting TKA380 (Reply 87):
How long will the 4 A340-300's stay in the fleet for now?

And do they intend to phase out the A330-200's over time - some of them are now 16 years old.

It is believed that the RFP for next year between the A350-900 and 787-10 will replace all of the A330-200s and A340-300s.
 
User avatar
lightsaber
Moderator
Posts: 20060
Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:55 pm

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Sun Oct 04, 2015 1:29 am

Any final pictures? Was there a final farewell?

Quoting TKA380 (Reply 87):

The A343s have a year or so. The A332s are sold when able and scrapped when economics dictates.

The next out will be the 77Es. I've lost the pulse on the RR powered 773s.

Then... In a few years, the 77Ws will be rotated out too.

Lightsaber
Winter is coming.
 
User avatar
JetBuddy
Posts: 2569
Joined: Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:04 am

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Sun Oct 04, 2015 1:50 am

I'm thinking these would be great for MRTT conversions.
 
airbazar
Posts: 10168
Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:12 pm

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Sun Oct 04, 2015 1:52 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 83):
Neither of the above is accurate.

EK advertised several markets when they acquired the birds, and among the most frequent (and first to launch) was in Australia, not North America.

i know my memory i sgetting fuzzy in my old age but I'm pretty sure it's accurate   EK's original order was for only 5 frames with stated intention to use them on DXB-JFK and DXB-LAX. Coincidentally, the same as SQ.

It's very likely that between the time they ordered the aircraft and the time they were delivered, that EK's strategy for the A345 had changed. IIRC, SYD started first because the aircraft arrived earlier than planned and I believe there were problems that delayed FAA certification of the A340-500 (fuel tank certification?). The launch customer was supposed to be AC but they delayed deliveries and EK took the slots and put them on routes that they were already operating. EK was already in Australia when the A345 arrived. They needed the range of the A345 in order to reach the U.S. because no European country would given them 5th freedom as was the case with Singapore for example.
 
User avatar
LAX772LR
Posts: 13278
Joined: Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:06 pm

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:18 am

Quoting airbazar (Reply 91):
They needed the range of the A345 in order to reach the U.S. because no European country would given them 5th freedom as was the case with Singapore for example.

They WANTED the A345's range for it. They didn't "need" it.

Again, MH was already doing DXB-EWR just fine with 656Klb MTOW 772ERs... same frame and engine as EK's 77Es.

Granted, the latter weren't to those specs; but that's nothing that a phone call + checkbook couldn't have remedied, practically overnight.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
ojas
Posts: 1191
Joined: Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:23 am

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:11 am

The Emirates A340-500 is operating on 06th October to BEY doing EK955/956 rotation.
Great leaders don't tell you what to do ... they show you how it's done!
 
User avatar
JerseyFlyer
Posts: 1538
Joined: Fri May 25, 2007 7:24 pm

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:38 pm

Quoting TKA380 (Reply 87):
how long will the 4 A340-300's stay in the fleet for now?

These have been around a while - they were some of the SQ fleet that Boeing took in part-exchange for 777s. SQ has since retired those 777s....and replaced them with 333s.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 91):
EK's original order was for only 5 frames

Yes, they ordered a second batch of 5 subsequently - so must have been happy with the 345 initially, until technology and fuel prices overtook it.
 
User avatar
N14AZ
Posts: 4143
Joined: Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:19 pm

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Sun Oct 04, 2015 1:01 pm

I wonder why so far not a single A345 has been converted into a private jet or governmental jet after its life as commercial jetliner (correct me if I am wrong). I would have thought history would repeat itself, similar to how it worked for the B707 and DC8.
 
777way
Posts: 6457
Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:38 am

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:12 pm

^ one ex-SQ is with Las Vegas Sands now, is it flying? painted ?
 
User avatar
N14AZ
Posts: 4143
Joined: Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:19 pm

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:23 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 95):
one ex-SQ is with Las Vegas Sands now, is it flying? painted ?

Oh, stupid me, how could I forget. I made a search via our photo search engine (345 + private / gvmt.) but didn't find any converted A345...... VP-BMS is not yet in the collection.

So there is at least one   Hope many follow, e.g. some ex-Emirates airframes (not that I am trying to go off-topic   
 
User avatar
zeke
Posts: 15112
Joined: Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:42 pm

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:45 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 4):
Makes sense. It's a short route, so the fuel efficiency disadvantage of the 345 matters less, and KBL is hot and high, where the 345 does very well.

It would have had the best takeoff performance (i.e. engine failure at V1 and clean up at 1500 ft) out of any aircraft in their fleet out of KBL.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 52):
An EK Fleet Planner once posted a comparison of a DXB-LAX sector with both frames and the A340-500 would burn around 17,000kg more fuel. The 777-200LR could also go out at MZFW (so lifting up to 64,000kg of payload) whereas the A340-500 had to give up 9,000kg of payload weight for fuel (so lifting up to 53,000kg of payload).

The 77L was always RTOW limited out of DXB on a DXB-LAX, heaven forbid if you have a slight tailwind or if it is hot. Neither aircraft could carry MZFW to LAX. The 77L out of DXB in an airline config (i.e. catering, galleys, emergency equipment, LD3s) would be limited to around 6000nm with full payload. The A345 does burn more fuel, but the numbers you have given are pure fantasy. The better A345 hot and high performance means it was MTOW not RTOW limited.
Human rights lawyers are "ambulance chasers of the very worst kind.'" - Sky News
 
User avatar
LAX772LR
Posts: 13278
Joined: Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:06 pm

RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:29 pm

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 94):
SQ has since retired those 777s....and replaced them with 333s.

You sure? Most of the Celestars were replaced by the 9V-SV* series 772ERs.

The A333s have been mostly replacing the 9V-SQ* and 9V-SR* series 772ERs.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos