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QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:48 am
by NZ107
http://www.ausbt.com.au/qatar-airway...-fly-to-sydney-from-march-1st-2016

Confirmed! After "refusing" to fly to SYD due to the curfew.. 77W.

DOH-SYD 2010-1805
SYD-DOH 2220-0505

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:52 am
by Lufthansa
ahh.... yes the problem wasn't sydney, the problem was their main hub of depatures leaving in the middle of the night. No issue for EK obviously, and it hasn't stopped EY filling flights. They've got stiff competition though, the QF crowd will still pick EK given the status credits/destinations/miliage earning benefits plus the A388 product.

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:00 am
by IndianicWorld
No surprise.. A March start date has been expected.

SYD has been part of their thoughts for a while now, and the bi-lateral limitations were the stumbling block. It saw other opportunities first up to fly into MEL and PER, which were better entry markets for it at that stage.

There may be some other news out of QR soon too. Stay tuned.

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:18 am
by qf789
Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 2):
There may be some other news out of QR soon too. Stay tuned.

Is it the same thing Ive heard

Flight numbers are QR908/909

[Edited 2015-09-30 00:22:24]

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:19 am
by TC957
Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 2):
There may be some other news out of QR soon too. Stay tuned.

Stop teasing ! A return to LGW ?

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:34 am
by IndianicWorld
Can only really say that it may well surprise some.

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:41 am
by qf002
Eventually! Very excited to try this service next year, it's just a shame that the WLG tag didn't materialise.

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:48 am
by IndianicWorld
^^ Wasn't even on the radar from SYD from what I was told...  

Will be a big year of new flights for SYD over the next 12 months. Will be interesting to see how the capacity is absorbed.

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:57 am
by 777way
On the cargo side they have ended Yekaterinburg and Stavanger.

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:00 am
by IndianicWorld
^^ Those moves made sense in the current cooling economic conditions of each of those cities.

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:08 am
by 9MMPD
Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 2):
There may be some other news out of QR soon too. Stay tuned.

PER to go A350?

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:16 am
by NZ107
Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 2):

If it has anything to do with the open skies agreement between NZ and Qatar signed 3 weeks ago, I've got my ears open!

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA150...r-services-with-qatar-welcomed.htm

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:23 pm
by byronicle6
Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 2):

Hmmm, wont be BNE with the bilateral, but ADL, DRW, CNS, OOL or even CBR? or maybe extending one of the existing flights to NZ? or A380 for MEL?

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:42 pm
by IndianicWorld
^^ All will be revealed soon. Can't say anything else at this stage.

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:08 pm
by zkojq
Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 12):
or maybe extending one of the existing flights to NZ?
DOH-PER-AKL-PER-DOH would be a good choice. That would give Air New Zealand some year round competition on the AKL-PER segment. Not sure how that would work with Qatar's existing schedule to Perth though. If this is true, then fingers crossed for an A350. 

[Edited 2015-09-30 06:09:32]

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:18 pm
by a380787
Quoting NZ107 (Thread starter):

DOH-SYD 2010-1805
SYD-DOH 2220-0505

So a 40 minute gamble against the curfew ... gotta give them credit for taking on such a risk

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:31 pm
by qf789
Quoting 9MMPD (Reply 10):
PER to go A350?

No, QR will still operate the 77W to PER until such time when the 779 is available. QR currently flies a healthy load of passengers every night plus it goes out with a FULL belly of cargo.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 14):
DOH-PER-AKL-PER-DOH would be a good choice. That would give Air New Zealand some year round competition on the AKL-PER segment.

PER-AKL traffic is highly seasonal and I doubt we would see a 2nd carrier operate year round.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 15):
So a 40 minute gamble against the curfew ... gotta give them credit for taking on such a risk

Its not a gamble nor are they taking a risk. QF3 to HNL departs at 2225 (the past 3 flights have taken off between 2245 and 2300) and CZ departs for CAN at 2215 (generally departs between 2215 and 2230). Tonight's inbound EY A380 flight which was scheduled to arrive at 1755 touched down at 2101, it was scheduled to depart at 2125 but actual departure was 2303. There is some room in the schedule for delay. The flight would need to be running 3.5 to 4 hrs late to miss the curfew, bare in mind since its a long flight they can catch some time up during the flight. (i.e. if it departs an hr after schedule time it would still normally arrive around 15-20 minutes of scheduled time)

Using PER as an example of which it has a similar ground time over the past 30 days, it has departed either on time or before the scheduled time 22 of those 30 days. The latest its departed after the scheduled time over the past 30 days is 18 minutes so this would still fit inside the SYD curfew. In the 3 years QR has been flying to PER I can only recall it taking off significantly late 3 times in those 3 years. One of those times was in July due to a passenger issue and twice last year, once due to fog which delayed the outbound flight by about 6 hours and the second flight which arrived nearly 11 hours late due to an engine issue enroute which caused the aircraft to divert to CMB where a replacement aircraft had to be sent to continue rest of the flight.

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:44 pm
by sunrisevalley
Quoting qf789 (Reply 16):
once due to fog which delayed the outbound flight by about 6 hours

Fog delays for outbound flights interest me. Was it because of a fog delay on the inbound aircraft at DOH ? Raises the question whether DOH has a CAT landing system.

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:46 pm
by qf789
Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 17):
Fog delays for outbound flights interest me. Was it because of a fog delay on the inbound aircraft at DOH ? Raises the question whether DOH has a CAT landing system.

No on this particular occasion the flight had arrived as normal, the fog occurred in PER.

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:58 pm
by a380787
Quoting qf789 (Reply 16):

Its not a gamble nor are they taking a risk. QF3 to HNL departs at 2225 (the past 3 flights have taken off between 2245 and 2300) and CZ departs for CAN at 2215 (generally departs between 2215 and 2230). Tonight's inbound EY A380 flight which was scheduled to arrive at 1755 touched down at 2101, it was scheduled to depart at 2125 but actual departure was 2303. There is some room in the schedule for delay. The flight would need to be running 3.5 to 4 hrs late to miss the curfew, bare in mind since its a long flight they can catch some time up during the flight. (i.e. if it departs an hr after schedule time it would still normally arrive around 15-20 minutes of scheduled time)

You cannot compare QF to QR at QF's home turf, who can sub in a plane last minute for the HNL flight.

If the QR plane goes tech at point of departure and require 1 hour of repairs, who's going to be responsible for all the stranded passengers ? They're landing 4 hours earlier to leave lots of room for delays and repairs, but this is still a chance of running up against 2300. When that happens, would you stake your reputation at it ? For the same price, I'll most likely pick the various QF/EK/EY options over this QR flight (and those are all A380 as an added bonus)

And let's not bring CZ into this since they're far from being the model of punctuality or customer service.

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:01 pm
by qf002
Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 12):
Hmmm, wont be BNE with the bilateral, but ADL, DRW, CNS, OOL or even CBR? or maybe extending one of the existing flights to NZ? or A380 for MEL?

I'm hoping for something totally wild like DOH-CBR-WLG.

CBR and WLG both have huge untapped potential (especially CBR) and it's exactly the sort of route that QR would go for while EK and EY are preoccupied with locking horns elsewhere.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 19):
You cannot compare QF to QR at QF's home turf, who can sub in a plane last minute for the HNL flight.

No they can't.

Only 12 of QF's 28 A330s can operate to HNL due to crew rest requirements and it is extremely rare for more than one of those aircraft to be on the ground at SYD when QF3 is operating. Just because it is QF's home base doesn't automatically mean that there are spare aircraft lying around doing nothing overnight.

In any case, QR will only depart at 2220 for the first few weeks, shifting to a 2205 departure from March 27th and then even earlier to 2105 (ie earlier than both EK and EY) a week later when daylight savings ends.

[Edited 2015-09-30 09:59:18]

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:17 pm
by qf789
Quoting a380787 (Reply 19):
You cannot compare QF to QR at QF's home turf, who can sub in a plane last minute for the HNL flight.

You are incorrect. QF only has 2 A332's atm with crew rests, that being VH-EBG and VH-EBL. One flies to HNL and the other flies to Asia, so if the HNL went tech at the last minute it would not be easy as you think just subbing another aircraft.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 19):
If the QR plane goes tech at point of departure and require 1 hour of repairs, who's going to be responsible for all the stranded passengers ? They're landing 4 hours earlier to leave lots of room for delays and repairs, but this is still a chance of running up against 2300

Your talking about something that will rarely happen. BTW SYD is not the only airport that QR flies to with a curfew. Both their flights to NRT and LHR depart those airports in the last hour of operations, they don't seem to have a problem operating close to curfew times there.

I used both QF and CZ as examples to demonstrate to you that QR was not the only one departing close to the curfew.

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:58 pm
by a380787
Quoting qf789 (Reply 21):

Your talking about something that will rarely happen. BTW SYD is not the only airport that QR flies to with a curfew. Both their flights to NRT and LHR depart those airports in the last hour of operations, they don't seem to have a problem operating close to curfew times there.

I used both QF and CZ as examples to demonstrate to you that QR was not the only one departing close to the curfew.


But answer me this - on the rare occurrence they go past the 40 minutes and hit the 2300, what will happen to all the passengers ?

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:43 pm
by PoleHillSid
Quoting a380787 (Reply 22):
But answer me this - on the rare occurrence they go past the 40 minutes and hit the 2300, what will happen to all the passengers

What do YOU think will happen?

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:43 pm
by soyuz
I must say that I'm a little skeptical about the feasibility of this route. With such a glut of A380 traffic between the ME and SYD, who would want to sit in a 77W for 14 hours unless DOH is your final destination? Granted, QR's Y class is 9 abreast, passengers tend to know the difference between a 777 and the whale jet and most can't get enough of the latter. Also, EK's onward network to Europe is far superior to QR's. Without aggressive pricing or quickly upgrading to the whale, QR will have to rely on cargo, premium traffic and Anet Boeing fanboys to profit from SYD.

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:00 am
by FlyingSicilian
Quoting soyuz (Reply 24):
and Anet Boeing fanboys to profit from SYD.

That is some cogent analysis right there.

 

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:10 am
by IndianicWorld
Soyuz, QR are moving to 10 abreast on their 77W fleet.

Price sensitivity is driving airlines to make flying even more uncomfortable to make sure they can generate better opportunities for profits by maximing the efficiency of their planes.

Apparently last night was meant to be the first arrival of a newly reconfigured 77W into MEL. I'm sure many will already be calling QR to complain about their new product  

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:48 am
by Armodeen
Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 5):
Can only really say that it may well surprise some.

A380 to MAN haha

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:52 am
by a380787
Quoting PoleHillSid (Reply 23):

Exactly. Apparently people kept ignoring a real risk here and pretend it's impossible to occur and never offer any Plan B when the black swan strikes.

Thanks but no thanks, I'll take my mid/late afternoon departure to Europe any day over this.

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:04 am
by DeltaB717
Quoting a380787 (Reply 28):

I'm not sure it's fair to say the risk is being ignored. In this case, QR is giving itself 4:15 plus a 40 minute buffer to turn the aircraft around. Stuff is going to happen sometimes and, when it does, pax will end up in hotels while the return flight waits out the repairs in SYD... depending on the nature of the problem, the same could happen if the flight was due out in the morning, afternoon or earlier in the evening.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 26):
Price sensitivity is driving airlines to make flying even more uncomfortable to make sure they can generate better opportunities for profits by maximing the efficiency of their planes.

Exactly. Pax, themselves, are to blame. Everyone wants airfares to be cheaper and cheaper, but noone wants the consequences. Can't have cake and eat it, too...

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:13 am
by qf789
Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 26):
Apparently last night was meant to be the first arrival of a newly reconfigured 77W into MEL

Correct operated by A7-BEE

Quoting soyuz (Reply 24):
I must say that I'm a little skeptical about the feasibility of this route. With such a glut of A380 traffic between the ME and SYD, who would want to sit in a 77W for 14 hours unless DOH is your final destination? Granted, QR's Y class is 9 abreast, passengers tend to know the difference between a 777 and the whale jet and most can't get enough of the latter. Also, EK's onward network to Europe is far superior to QR's. Without aggressive pricing or quickly upgrading to the whale, QR will have to rely on cargo, premium traffic and Anet Boeing fanboys to profit from SYD.

QR will do fine with SYD. It provides more competition and more choice. Comments I have heard from people who have been on QR all say they will fly with them again and their service on board is excellent. Cargo wont be as much as you think, already we see 2 pallets of meat for the MEL flight transferred to PER on a daily basis

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:40 am
by Coal
Quoting qf002 (Reply 20):
CBR and WLG both have huge untapped potential (especially CBR) and it's exactly the sort of route that QR would go for while EK and EY are preoccupied with locking horns elsewhere.

I cannot see CBR sustaining a QR 77W flight (even a 787 would be a stretch). Most of the people, including those in government (and not politicians) who work in CBR live in Sydney and have their families in Sydney.

If CBR were to start regular international ops, I would bet it would be to NZ, and maaaybe to DPS. Even SIN, which has been mentioned in the past, would be a stretch, although a SIN flight could provide connections. Then again, those connections would be to places you can reach directly from SYD.

Rgds
Coal

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:09 am
by DeltaB717
Quoting coal (Reply 31):
Most of the people, including those in government (and not politicians) who work in CBR live in Sydney and have their families in Sydney.

Not sure where you got this from... CBR is not a FIFO town, most of the people who work here do, in fact, live in the region. CBR is also closer to a lot of country NSW than SYD or MEL, albeit some of the larger towns (WGA, for example) have air services to both SYD and MEL.

Quoting coal (Reply 31):
If CBR were to start regular international ops, I would bet it would be to NZ, and maaaybe to DPS. Even SIN, which has been mentioned in the past, would be a stretch

This, I do agree with. Except not DPS. I'd put SIN as a more likely option than DPS.

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 4:11 am
by wzafar
As always, more flights will be better for consumers. Welcome QR to SYD and hope you fly to BNE soon too! Please send the A350 or 787 to MEL now  

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:19 am
by Clipper101
Got my hands on this article that dates back to 06May2014, in it QR already indicated its plans for PER & SYD operations this year and its intention to utilize A350 on PER route. Depending on whether this plan is still a 'Go', I believe passengers should get the benefit of cabin pressure altitude A350 provides on such an ULH. On the side, some how I re-call Etihad also publicised its intention to utilize A350 onto Australia.

Source for QR intentions:

http://www.travelweekly.com.au/article/Perth-in-line-for-Qatar-A350/

[Edited 2015-09-30 22:22:09]

[Edited 2015-09-30 22:29:55]

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:01 am
by Coal
Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 32):

Not sure where you got this from... CBR is not a FIFO town, most of the people who work here do, in fact, live in the region. CBR is also closer to a lot of country NSW than SYD or MEL, albeit some of the larger towns (WGA, for example) have air services to both SYD and MEL.


I worked in CBR as a consultant flying in on Monday mornings and returning on Thursday evenings. Managerial staff at my client mostly lived in Sydney and indicated that a lot of their local friends did the same. The levels of patronage of the taxi line on Mondays and the lounge on Thursdays corroborated this.

Rgds
Coal

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:40 am
by 6thfreedom
Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 2):
There may be some other news out of QR soon too. Stay tuned.
Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 5):
Can only really say that it may well surprise some.

A major shareholding in Malaysia Airlines, which would see it add codeshare services to Adelaide and Darwin, and multiple frequencies to all ports?

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:29 pm
by Qatara340
Hats off to Ojas who predicted the schedule accurately!

Congrats to QR on their new announcement!

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:45 pm
by RyanairGuru
Quoting coal (Reply 31):

I don't know what industry you are in, but as a Canberran I do not know a single person who "commutes" from Sydney. I am now actually really intrigued about who or what you work. Short term secondments are of course one thing, but I can honestly say that I can not recall a single instance of someone who works here full time who commutes from inter-state. The APS probably has a slightly higher percentage of local staff than the private sector, but I'd conservatively guesstimate that 90% of office workers across the city are local and not FIFOs.

The only real exception is Parliament.

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:25 pm
by DeltaB717
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 38):

I'm also Canberran, hence why I asked the question. There are some consultants (KPMG types) who commute in and out a little, but then even Melbourne and Sydney have that, I'm sure. And of course there's a lot of travel by Defence personnel. But, at the end of the day, there are 450,000 or so people living within an hours drive of Canberra so there'd have to be a lot of jobs in the region to support that population AND the claimed FIFO contingent...

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:00 am
by airzona11
Quoting who said :"I must say that I'm a little skeptical about the feasibility of this route. With such a glut of A380 traffic between the ME and SYD, who would want to sit in a 77W for 14 hours unless DOH is your final destination? Granted, QR's Y class is 9 abreast, passengers tend to know the difference between a 777 and the whale jet and most can't get enough of the latter. Also, EK's onward network to Europe is far superior to QR's. Without aggressive pricing or quickly upgrading to the whale, QR will have to rely on cargo, premium traffic and Anet Boeing fanboys to profit from SYD."


So you mean to tell me they need to fill up the belly with cargo and the premium cabin for profitability? Anyone else's mind blown from this riveting analysis?

Extrapolating the logic of a.net, seat width is the ultimate factor for profit and sustainability, I am just surprised ACJ/BBJs are not deployed more for profitability by the airlines.

--Question regarding OneWorld, how will this route work for CodeShares with OneWorld Members (IAG, Finn, etc)--

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:01 am
by Coal
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 38):
I don't know what industry you are in, but as a Canberran I do not know a single person who "commutes" from Sydney. I am now actually really intrigued about who or what you work. Short term secondments are of course one thing, but I can honestly say that I can not recall a single instance of someone who works here full time who commutes from inter-state. The APS probably has a slightly higher percentage of local staff than the private sector, but I'd conservatively guesstimate that 90% of office workers across the city are local and not FIFOs.

The only real exception is Parliament.
Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 39):
I'm also Canberran, hence why I asked the question. There are some consultants (KPMG types) who commute in and out a little, but then even Melbourne and Sydney have that, I'm sure. And of course there's a lot of travel by Defence personnel. But, at the end of the day, there are 450,000 or so people living within an hours drive of Canberra so there'd have to be a lot of jobs in the region to support that population AND the claimed FIFO contingent...

I'm a consultant    but not for any of the Big 4.

I think you'd be surprised how many people work in Canberra and live in Sydney, outside of politicians and consultants, even in industries in which you'd think everyone would live locally.

Rgds
Coal

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 8:51 am
by Qatara340
What if QR announces Gold Coast direct from Doha; will it be an effective alternative to BNE? Are Brisbaners willing to travel to Gold Coast to board a flight to wherever, considering the distance?

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:12 am
by Irishbean
When will this be bookable? QR have some amazing fare deals in J from Europe

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 10:00 am
by Thai77w
It would have to make a fuel stop back to DOH from OOL. The runway isn't long enough for a 14hr flight full load.

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 10:19 am
by atal17
Quoting irishbean (Reply 43):

Already bookable for flights effective from 01MAR16

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:21 am
by qantas747
Quoting qf002 (Reply 20):

I'm hoping for something totally wild like DOH-CBR-WLG.

CBR and WLG both have huge untapped potential (especially CBR) and it's exactly the sort of route that QR would go for while EK and EY are preoccupied with locking horns elsewhere.

This is exactly what I thought!! The capital connector QR style. A 788 would have the legs for this I think? I actually thought QR would go to CBR earlier with the bilateral issue as they could fly at the times they want and still tap the SYD market.
I can imagine CBR and WLG throwing money at QR for this.

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:55 am
by qf002
Quoting Qatara340 (Reply 37):
Hats off to Ojas who predicted the schedule accurately!

That schedule has been bouncing around in various threads for months.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 38):
I don't know what industry you are in, but as a Canberran I do not know a single person who "commutes" from Sydney

My dad commuted between Sydney and Canberra for almost 3 years -- he worked for one of the big four at the time and would drive down at 5am on a Monday and be back around dinnertime on a Friday most weeks.

From memory he worked on a few major government contracts which involved rolling out new IT systems (this was 15+ years ago so would have been a huge, huge undertaking at the time). His entire team of about 25 people were all Sydney based.

I imagine it's less common these days (IIRC my dad's company didn't even have a permanent Canberra office back then), but that just means that all the white collar professionals that used to come in from interstate are now based in Canberra permanently, making the case for proper international service stronger.

Quoting qantas747 (Reply 46):
A 788 would have the legs for this I think?

No crew rest on the 788s so it would probably have to be an A359. I'm on the fence as to how successful it could be but it would certainly be a very bold move.

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 1:10 pm
by S75752
I could have sworn that they were already flying DOH-SYD...

RE: QR To Start DOH-SYD 1 March 2016

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 2:07 pm
by The Coachman
Quoting a380787 (Reply 19):
For the same price, I'll most likely pick the various QF/EK/EY options over this QR flight (and those are all A380 as an added bonus)

EK413 leaves at about 2100 and arrives from AKL approximately 90 mins beforehand.

EY454 arrives SYD at 1755 and departs at 2125.

Your analysis is flawed.

IRROPS happen occasionally. If QF's SYD-HND goes tech at the last minute, pax are going to hotels.

There is always a risk. You seem to be picking on QR for some bizarre reason.