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Turkish Aviation October 2015

Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:28 pm

Happy October; Turkish Aviation Fans,
Here comes the fall full power, greetings from a rainy Istanbul evening.


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-Pictured above TC-LJB in PDX after the paint job, has joined the fleet. TC-LJC also joined few days ago bringing the total number of TK 77Ws to 23. In less than 5 years TK has a pretty sizable 77W fleet. One more to join this year, 6 more next year.
From what I can see at IST, the area that was formerly used by the TAF is in full use by the airport. All kinds of activity over there. I even saw the Singapore 777. Has anyone actually boarded a plane there, or do they use it for parking only?

-It is hard to believe but in just about 2 years from now the new Istanbul airport is due to open Oct 29, 2017. Let's see how that turns out.
-The other big news is TK is returning to MIA this month with a daily 77W service. Good luck to TK in Miami.
-DL to fly JFK-IST seasonal again, starting May 2016 with A333.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:59 pm

Happy October TK787 and thanks for the new thread  
Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-The other big news is TK is returning to MIA this month with a daily 77W service. Good luck to TK in Miami.

A great addition to the network. Will be good to see how it performs and also the types of connecting traffic that use it.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:12 pm

As usual TK call center sucks:
I have to change my return date, seats available, I was asked to pay 657TL change fee, I did...
After 22 min first call, 12 min second call...they can't book it.
"We will call you...", "siz bi de yarin arayin.."
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:15 pm

Another month, another thread...


In ASEAN travel website Kotil this week was quoted saying that TK was to go nonstop to Vietnam starting in July 2016 when the BKK stop-over would be dropped.
TK plans 4x weekly IST-SGN and 3x weekly IST-HAN. HAN today only gets freighter services, so the pax flight would be new. SGN has been served since 2010.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:46 pm

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
Has anyone actually boarded a plane there, or do they use it for parking only?

On several occasions, but domestic flights only. It is a VERY long bus ride there. On the positive side, you bypass the long take off queue.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:48 am

TK flights to Durban, South Africa officially begins on the 5th of November. TK will start direct flights to Cape Town and use will instead use JNB as a layover when flying to Durban.

[Edited 2015-09-30 20:49:25]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:57 am

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
The other big news is TK is returning to MIA this month with a daily 77W service. Good luck to TK in Miami.

Really looking forward to it!


Heard they'll have a special livery much like SFO..
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:55 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 2):
I have to change my return date, seats available, I was asked to pay 657TL change fee, I did...
After 22 min first call, 12 min second call...they can't book it.

I am sure some of you might be interested what happened afterwards;
At 9:45am the next day I got a call from TK, telling me that I have till 11:15am to go to a TK sales office and finish ticketing. ( I have 1.5 hrs in a 15M city to go to one of their 3 Sales offices... Seriously???)

By this time, I've checked my credit card charges and yes there is a 657TL change fee pending from TK, and yes my ticket is changed to the new date. So what is the problem I asked, why do I have to go to a Sales office in person? The answer is ridiculous to say the least: "Something about your checked baggage, has to be done manually"....What?!?!?!?
I told the TK rep, that I can not take her seriously at this point. First of all; why is my checked luggage a part of this conversation when all I am trying to do is change date on a ticket, secondly I will have no checked luggage on this trip. I told her that it is not my problem that they have a software problem to finish ticketing.
All this is crazy talk I conclude. But whatever, I just did what every good TK customer would do and went to the Taksim Sales office by 11:15am. As I expected craziness continued. I was told to pay that 657TL again. I showed on my phone the charge from the previous night....657TL-THY pending. No help  
So, now there are two charges pending for the same amount from TK on my card, ticketing done, seat selected. And no one asked me about that "checked luggage" issue while I was at the Sales Office in person...
Am I the crazy one on this? What did just happen??
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:27 am

Ok, here's my recent experience with their call center. I had a return ticket for 18-29 September, IST-JFK. Around the middle of August, I decide to return one day early, and as the ticket is "flexible", I call their center. Fair enough, they say I can change the already expensive 2800TL ticket for another 800TL or so, and I accept, but want them to put an option on this so I can pay for it later on. The lady accepts and says I can actually pay until the start date of the trip. Two days later I get a call saying there has been a mistake and I have to pay immediately or my option for the 28th of September would be cancelled. Since my original return flight on the 29th has already been cancelled I would be left without a return flight (how that works is beyond me). I made an official complaint, which they took several days to process and eventually accepted my objection, as the phone calls are recorded. However, the new option would be September 1st. Alright I say, and about ten days later on the 30th of August I call to pay, and this time they say that the difference I have to pay is 1100TL. I lodge another complaint, which they take another 3 days to process, and this one is also accepted as it is clear they have informed me the price differential before. I finally pay the difference of 800TL around September 5th. After how many calls I don't know, and a lot of stress.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Fri Oct 02, 2015 7:01 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 8):

I feel your pain   thanks for sharing.

Where do they come up with these change fee numbers?? It used to be 200 euros, or sometimes 200 USD?? Change fee plus difference in fare, I get it but.....And seriously it doesn't matter what class ticket you are trying to change. I almost always change the return ticket because of work schedule.
So far this year:
-J ticket change around 1000TL
-S (Eco.) ticket change 40TL
-A (Comfort) 657TL

leftyboarder, how do you file a complaint? Email or phonecall? Thanks.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:48 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 9):
leftyboarder, how do you file a complaint? Email or phonecall? Thanks.

What I did was tell the agent on the phone that I wanted to file a complaint, and he/she directed me to another agent specifically dealing with these complaints. Then you are given a complaint ticket and an e-mail is sent to you. However, even that I find works very slowly.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:49 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 10):

I tried the email option. I got an an apology within hours (to my surprise). Basically saying: "Changing my return date couldn't be done on the phone. I had to do it in person. We are sorry, your first charge will be refunded in 2-7 business days"
Still:
-Why can't I just do all this online from my computer?
-Why was "checked baggage has to be done manually at a Sales office B.S." ever brought up?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:38 am

Latest and last:
So, TK refunded one of the double charges to my credit card, with a twist  
It is all their fault to charge me twice, yet
They charged me $220.15
They refunded me $216.07

due to currency fluctuations (their excuse). Their incompetence cost me $4
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:07 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 12):
due to currency fluctuations (their excuse). Their incompetence cost me $4

Just eat double in the lounge at IST next time easily claw it back    
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Mon Oct 05, 2015 12:18 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
Another month, another thread...


In ASEAN travel website Kotil this week was quoted saying that TK was to go nonstop to Vietnam starting in July 2016 when the BKK stop-over would be dropped.
TK plans 4x weekly IST-SGN and 3x weekly IST-HAN. HAN today only gets freighter services, so the pax flight would be new. SGN has been served since 2010.

Great news!
Speaking of ASEAN, TK will upgrade the thrice weekly MNL service from A340 to 77W later this month, but what happened to the flight going daily? TK faught for the Philippines to give them entitlements. And when they finally did a few months ago, TK announced daily flights later this year but nothing happened...

http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...s-daily-flights-to-manila.html?m=1
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Tue Oct 06, 2015 5:45 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 13):
Just eat double in the lounge at IST next time easily claw it back

I could have  
But had another round of emails and I got an answer this morning that TK would refund me that 4 euro. Pretty simple, it should have been done the first place. Fells pretty good to set things right.

Here is part of the email in Turkish:

"30 Eylül 2015 tarihinde yaptığınız telefon görüşmenizde hatalı işlem yapan çağrı merkezi personelinin ikaz edildiğini belirtmek isteriz.

Mağduriyetinizin telafisi doğrultusunda, 5 Ekim 2015 tarihinde 2354554417159 numaralı EMD 4 Euro olarak düzenlenmiş olup, kullanım koşullarına ilişkin bilgiler aşağıda yer almaktadır."
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Tue Oct 06, 2015 6:45 am

I've just got back on another fantastic QR ESB-DOH-DXB round trip. QR economy class service quality is better than most of European Airlines' business class. Its economy class is certainly much better than TK or EK. For example TK F/A disappear after lunch/dinner service but on QR they continue serving soft drinks every hour. They also serve cogniac with coffee and multiple selection of big bottled wines with lunch/dinner on economy class. QR for sure deserves Airline of the Year award.

On an other note, not only on ESB-DOH or DOH-DXB segments that I flew, but also observing boardings of other flights at DOH, I can securely state that QR's load factor is certainly less than 50% (I would not believe if official statements report the other way). For example on return leg popular DXB-DOH flight on a 77W, there were around 50 passangers on board. This is not normally sustainable! Either QR's ownership is laundring money on this operation or welcoming a loss just for the prestige of State of Qatar.

It is interesting that QR has an excelent product with very competitive prices but still flies empty,
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:26 pm

OAG is out with an analysis on worlds most connected hubs.

Overall IST takes the #29 spot globally(the mega US hubs are primarily in the top-10 spots), however IST is ranked #2 in Europe after LHR.

OAG uses index measure that considers the highest ratio of possible scheduled connections to the number of destinations served by the airport.
As reference IST had a connection index rating of 515 - In Europe LHR had 692, FRA 447 and CDG 411. ME3 airports were DXB 423, DOH 167 and AUH 111.

IST was also the fastest growing hub the last 5 years having nearly tripled its connection index since 2010.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:30 pm

Heard TK is looking to launch DFW in late 2016.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:54 am

Quoting TUSAA (Reply 18):
Quoting TUSAA (Reply 18):
Heard TK is looking to launch DFW in late 2016.

Interesting. I would have expected DTW before DFW.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:07 am

Does anyone know the status of TC-JOC in KTM? Will she be fixed or is she already in Airplane heaven?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:10 am

Quoting Mict (Reply 19):
Interesting. I would have expected DTW

I think DTW is more likely than DFW

[Edited 2015-10-06 18:11:01]
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:21 am

Quoting TK105 (Reply 16):

It is interesting that QR has an excelent product with very competitive prices but still flies empty,

Sounds like they need regional jets.

Also the near empty 77W could have been full of cargo, which I believe makes it all worthwhile.

But yes QR and EY are said to be loss making and created for prestige.

[Edited 2015-10-06 22:52:51]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:48 am

Flew them couple of weeks ago. From LAX to LHR then ZRH to IST and finally IST to LAX. Their inflight crew and contracted staff were great. The ground staff at IST, I was not too impressed.

Love their trolley service in J for intercontinental flights.
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/659/21598644751_6858d17817_c.jpgDSC06303 by B H, on Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/734/21401771870_60bfc68361_c.jpgDSC06320 by B H, on Flickr

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5681/21400574190_417b8d537c_c.jpgDSC02722 by B H, on Flickr

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5788/21400734420_2aa0668a2a_c.jpgDSC02731 by B H, on Flickr

TK really needs to do something about having two sub fleet of business class seats on their A321. For the ZRH to IST leg, we got a plane sub and ended up with this nonsense.
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5809/20968017813_c2683d5323_c.jpgDSC05784 by B H, on Flickr
 
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:49 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 12):

its a not so rare experience with TK customer service, they might have the shiniest new planes and lounges, but their soft product from top to bottom is years behind their competition, its sad because it could be a world class airline with not a huge investment, but investing at the right spot.
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:57 am

I just took TK2 yesterday and flew J. I have been flying J with them for most of my IST-NYC trips and I have to say the service is very inconsistent with yesterdays flight being the worst ever.
I had so many times amazing service and its all due to the crew. The flight I took on Monday had the most inexperienced and rude crew ever, my neighbor next to me and across the aisle were very frustrated because you had to ask for everything 2-3 times before they would bring it, wine, water you name it. When the guy across the aisle finally said I asked for water 3 times why are you ignoring me the FA couldn't communicate with him because he had almost no english. I find this inexcusable J class is a lot of money and the hard product is so good, why crew it with inexperienced and rude crew to ruin the product.
Now I had many flights where the crew was excellent and it made such a difference, I don't understand putting such junior crew on a flagship route.
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:33 am

Quoting seat38a (Reply 23):

Nice pics. One thing I always enjoyed on the flights is the presentation and trolley service. IST ground staff have always been an issue. As for the inconsistent Euro Biz it happened to me also lovely 2-2 on outbound and typical Euro middle seat free on return. Its a shame as you never know what product you will end up with.
 
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:29 am

Quoting gokmengs (Reply 25):
. I find this inexcusable J class is a lot of money and the hard product is so good, why crew it with inexperienced and rude crew to ruin the product

gokmengs, you should write a complaint to TK through their website. Additionally, I would advise using the Fly&Rate application to rate your flight.

Quoting seat38a (Reply 23):
TK really needs to do something about having two sub fleet of business class seats on their A321. For the ZRH to IST leg, we got a plane sub and ended up with this nonsense.

It must have been an equipment swap or something, usually, the European large cities get the new A321s with proper business class or a widebody.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:24 am

Quoting gokmengs (Reply 25):
Quoting northstar80 (Reply 27):

This is typical TK. If you have an experienced and hard working purser on the flight, generally F/A are good and well managed. If not, this is what happens. Unfortunately, lately TK is missing such pursers.

TK's recruiting policies has to be reconsidered. They need to recruit F/As from min. 2 year university graduates from tourism faculties where Turkey has many. However I afraid selection is mostly based on political backgrounds according to rumours I hear.
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:09 pm

Quoting gokmengs (Reply 25):
I just took TK2 yesterday and flew J.

Welcome to Istanbul, too bad about the on board experience.
Is it that hard to train flight crews? At another life I would have applied, got the job and trained every single one of them properly. As a manager in different service industries, I sincerely think so.
Here is a simple start:
-If you find the right personnel do all you can to keep them as long as possible and as happy as possible. Do not waist time with mediocre crews, replace them immediately.
-Steal hardworking/fitting crews through headhunters from competition and retrain to your standards.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:03 pm

New pax numbers are out.
12 months Istanbul data Oct14-Sep15
IST: 60.973.981
SAW: 26.945.851
 
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:39 pm

Quoting TK105 (Reply 28):
It must have been an equipment swap or something, usually, the European large cities get the new A321s with proper business class or a widebody.

Yes it was. We were supposed to get an A330 but ended up with an A321 with Euro Business. Kind of felt ripped off really, since there were 4 of us in J all paid for out of my pocket. :  
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:46 pm

Quoting seat38a (Reply 31):
Yes it was. We were supposed to get an A330 but ended up with an A321 with Euro Business. Kind of felt ripped off really, since there were 4 of us in J all paid for out of my pocket. :

The worst for a business are unhappy customers... Trying to gain new customers without trying to keep the old ones is senseless.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:01 pm

Interview with Kotil about TK's big interest in Africa. The continent holds massive growth opportunity for TK as it just announced its 45th destination in the continent - Durban.

http://www.anna.aero/2015/10/07/turk...rates-growing-fastest-into-africa/

Quoting seat38a (Reply 31):
We were supposed to get an A330 but ended up with an A321 with Euro Business. Kind of felt ripped off really, since there were 4 of us in J all paid for out of my pocket

Such is life. Airlines don't guarantee equipment types and TK historically has been very aggressive with day to day aircraft substitutions based on demand across its network.
In fairness though, Euro-biz is not that bad especially for a short'ish 3 hour ZRH sector. Its really no different than the other European carriers - AF-BA-KL-LH-LX, etc.
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:28 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 33):
In fairness though, Euro-biz is not that bad especially for a short'ish 3 hour ZRH sector. Its really no different than the other European carriers - AF-BA-KL-LH-LX, etc.

Thats exactly the reason I did not book with any of them. I also booked with TK because they are a star alliance carrier and their site shows that their A321 and A320 fleet all have the recliner and not Euro Business. We got the proper recliner A321 going to LHR

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/755/20967848313_be09cc88b8_c.jpgDSC02774 by B H, on Flickr

For Zurich, I was fine with the aircraft change, just not ok with the hard product that according to their own site they do not have a sub fleet of. They only show Euro Business on the A319 and the B737 fleet.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:37 pm

Look on popular websites like Seat Guru, they all show TK has some Euro style biz cabins

A320
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Tur...s/Turkish_Airlines_Airbus_A320.php

A321
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Tur...ish_Airlines_Airbus_A321_C_new.php


In my experience about 1/3 of my trips from Europe-IST have been on such aircraft, particularly from smaller European stations like NCE, TLS, BOD, GVA while CDG tends to get 2x2 cabin or widebodies mostly.

But 3x3 with middle open is OK, its very typical and still a good product along with strong catering product TK has which beats competitors.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:46 pm

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 35):

But ist that right, Seatguru writes A320 has 143 seats (15C128Y)?
Or the A321 with 12C177Y?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:56 pm

Out of 54 A321 in the fleet currently, TK has 4 basic versions that seat from 151 to 194 seats.
Additionally due movable divider TK has several additional sub-versions that it can create.

13 aircraft (TC-JRA-JRL plus TC-JML) have the Euro-biz 3x3 set up.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:04 pm

Update from TK :

''Due to the postponement of the start of daylight saving time by the Turkish Government to the 8th of November, 2015 from the 25th of October, 2015, although flight times of our company will not change in terms of GMT standard time, our flights between 25th of October 2015 and 8th of November 2015 will be affected. Departure and arrival times of flights from and in Turkey will be one hour later than the winter schedule local time in Turkey. Local time of flights which are departed from and arrived to other countries will not change. ''
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:18 pm

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 35):
Look on popular websites like Seat Guru, they all show TK has some Euro style biz cabins

Where does it say that? The diagram shows it as having Euro Business, but the description shows it as a recliner and the picture uploaded shows it as a recliner for the A321.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:38 pm

You guys can use seatguru.com and other websites if you want, but fact is TK like European peers has a significant number of aircraft in Euro-biz configurations which greatly increases its marketing flexibility versus fixed cabin biz product.

Yes sure it can be a let down if you are expecting a fancy seat, but in reality TK is not promising such product on any routes except on longhauls.

Combined with TK being very adept of adjusting aircraft on daily basis to match network demand, its can often be a lottery on aircraft types and versions if one is insistent on flying a specific product.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:44 pm

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 30):

Status que stays the same:

Turkish Airports Traffic Results Jan-Sep 2015
--- Airport ------ Domestic % ------ International % ------ Total % ---
IST+6+11+9
SAW+23+12+19
ESB+10+10+10
ADB+130+10
AYT+12 -6-2
TURKEY+14.0 +4.7+9.4
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:49 pm

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 30):

New pax numbers are out.
12 months Istanbul data Oct14-Sep15
IST: 60.973.981
SAW: 26.945.851

So will IST pass Frankfurt this year to become #3 in Europe?
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:06 am

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 42):

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 30):

New pax numbers are out.
12 months Istanbul data Oct14-Sep15
IST: 60.973.981
SAW: 26.945.851

So will IST pass Frankfurt this year to become #3 in Europe?

Istanbul needs the third airport ASAP. Atatturk was a complete nightmare on the 3 occasions that we went through it couple weeks ago. On the post security side, it is so crowded that you can't even try and run to your tight connection. Same overcrowded situation on the arrival immigration level. I'm not even exaggerating when I say it feels like a rush hour subway in the terminal. It is great that TK's numbers are growing, but IST seems to be bursting at the seams already. I don't even want to imagine adding anymore to the already chaotic situation.

Also, on 3 out of the 4 flights, our flight was delayed or late due to air traffic congestion at Ataturk. When we arrived from LAX, we were already over an hour late and they also remote parked the plane. If it wasn't for the special dedicated bus for J/C passengers, we would have missed our flight to LHR for sure. Oh and finally for the cherry on top, while the bus was on the road taking us to the terminal, there was an accident between a baggage tug and another airport vehicle so add another 20 min of delay. I mean it was a major crash with broken glass and leaking fluids.

IST is no Changi or Inchon where we were able to get to our connecting flight with only 40 min connection time no problem including going through another full security check last year.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:35 am

From official sources in Canada;

TK's bid for 4 weekly YVR IST is in Ottawa now but not getting the support from Canadian Government unfortunately. The Air Service Agreement amendment to Canada Turkey bilateral is on the table.

The Turkish argument is that TK has secured permission for SEA IST and will launch this if YVR fails. For those who do not know much about YVR SEA situation, there is roughly over 3 million pax that use SEA but originate in YVR due to YVR being a protected and overpriced market. The ME3 do not serve YVR and will not be given the approval by AC whereas Emirates and Qatar serve sea. The lost pax number by YVR is expected to exceed 5 million next year. If Canada will not let TK into YVR they will lose the TK pax from YVR to SEA if not all the majority of TK pax for sure.

TK's YVR plan is to use the polar route from IST with a flight time of 10 hours and 30 minutes that is more or less the same time to do a YYZ IST flight and a great convenience for those flying to Turkey and East of Turkey. The major pax feed from YVR will be to/from Iran and India and the rest of MENA region as well as Turkey, Greece etc.

Hope this gets Canadian approval and is launched as planned, will be a great addition to TK network for sure.

Of course LH is behind the curtain trying to kill the initiative for the obvious reasons (LH has a Trans-Atlantic partnership with AC and is very disturbed with increasing TK AC cooperation lately)....
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:19 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 33):
Such is life. Airlines don't guarantee equipment types and TK historically has been very aggressive with day to day aircraft substitutions based on demand across its network.
In fairness though, Euro-biz is not that bad especially for a short'ish 3 hour ZRH sector. Its really no different than the other European carriers - AF-BA-KL-LH-LX, etc.
Quoting seat38a (Reply 34):
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 33):
In fairness though, Euro-biz is not that bad especially for a short'ish 3 hour ZRH sector. Its really no different than the other European carriers - AF-BA-KL-LH-LX, etc.

Thats exactly the reason I did not book with any of them. I also booked with TK because they are a star alliance carrier and their site shows that their A321 and A320 fleet all have the recliner and not Euro Business. We got the proper recliner A321 going to LHR

Haha, and now TK got the rights to day to day ad-hoc aircraft change and a fanboy comes to defend backing up with demand/supply reasons, really? What a flexible airlines, catering, crew, aircraft availibility etc, great co-ordination. Good PR!
Let's just blame it on yields.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:07 am

Cross-posting from another thread

SAUDIA announces ESB effective NOV16 - flights to operate 4 times a week using Airbus A330-300.

Link - http://www.saudiairlines.com/portal/...4084f30510VgnVCM100000d59618acRCRD (only in Arabic)
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:54 am

Quoting atal17 (Reply 46):

Google translation:
"And it will be operating from Jeddah starts to Ankara during the month of November 2016 the number of four flights a week on Tuesdays, Thursdays, Fridays and Sundays and that aircraft from the Airbus A330 with a capacity throng (36) seats in Business Class and 252 seats on the degree of hospitality"

Congratulations to SV, ESB and JED....
The future is in the skies.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:13 pm

Quoting nethkt (Reply 45):
Haha, and now TK got the rights to day to day ad-hoc aircraft change and a fanboy comes to defend backing up with demand/supply reasons, really? What a flexible airlines, catering, crew, aircraft availibility etc, great co-ordination.

I have always been impressed by TK in its ability to adjust aircraft on day to day basis. Obviously they are quite adapt at being able to run a very dynamic operation and maximize opportunities.

I wish more airlines could do the same. Probably help the bottom line.

In Europe I know Swiss does such with 319-320-321 fleets where aircraft are also adjusted based on demand though it seems no one has the flexibility that TK has developed to cross fleet models so widely.
mercure f-wtcc
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2015

Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:14 pm

Does anyone know about a TK 77W getting a special livery for the inaugural service for MIA?


I was told they were going to do one but haven't heard anything since.
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