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AC Sending Traffic Through CX & Not *alliance?

Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:20 am

I recently travelled from Canada with AC to HKG, and from there CX for the onwards trip. The ticket issued by AC. I was wondering why is AC using CX for transferring passengers for onwards journeys and not their *alliance partners.

My return is with NH, and then AC to Canada.
 
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RE: AC Sending Traffic Through CX & Not *alliance?

Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:34 am

AC fares out of many offline South-East Asian stations such as BKK, SGN, KUL, SIN and CGK allow multiple carriers between the departure city and any off AC online stations. Here in Jakarta most of AC tickets are MPM based and allow any carrier between CGK and HKG/ICN/NRT/HND/PVG/PEK.
 
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RE: AC Sending Traffic Through CX & Not *alliance?

Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:54 pm

I remember something similar when someone booked a flight from YYC to ATL on AC through IAH on UA; instead they ended up on a DL flight for the IAH-ATL leg instead of UA - the Star alliance partner.

How is this possible?   
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RE: AC Sending Traffic Through CX & Not *alliance?

Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:01 pm

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 2):
How is this possible?

As long as they interline it is possible

Being in an alliance doesn't mean cannot have some sort of cooperation with other, or what is done her, combine itiniaries.
 
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RE: AC Sending Traffic Through CX & Not *alliance?

Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:13 pm

I know MCI-HKG fares thru O'Hare on CX allow UA or AA MCI-ORD ,( American allows 1st class travel on that segment ,United doe not however) on Biz class thru -fares
 
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RE: AC Sending Traffic Through CX & Not *alliance?

Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:29 pm

I have often noticed quite a few passengers connecting onto AC from CX at YYZ and YVR to various stations. Oddly enough, they are places that WS flies.
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RE: AC Sending Traffic Through CX & Not *alliance?

Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:30 pm

Quoting tcyvr (Thread starter):

I recently travelled from Canada with AC to HKG, and from there CX for the onwards trip. The ticket issued by AC. I was wondering why is AC using CX for transferring passengers for onwards journeys and not their *alliance partners.

My return is with NH, and then AC to Canada.

So long as the two carriers have interline ties (and in many cases they will) this is commonplace. Just because there are alliance partners in the market doesn't mean there will be guaranteed flow availability between the carriers at the time for the schedule you're looking for, in which case a non-alliance partner needs to be tapped.
 
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RE: AC Sending Traffic Through CX & Not *alliance?

Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:18 pm

QF interline passengers for domestic connections in the US and Canada on UA and WS, in addition to alliance and joint-business partner AA. Seems odd, but it's definitely nothing new.
 
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RE: AC Sending Traffic Through CX & Not *alliance?

Thu Oct 01, 2015 4:04 pm

AC sells tickets YYZ-HKG and onward connections to Jakarta and Manila on CX. I have done this many times in J class.
 
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RE: AC Sending Traffic Through CX & Not *alliance?

Sat Oct 03, 2015 3:25 am

AC codeshares with MEA (SkyTeam) on BEY-GVA-YUL. They get a lot of connecting traffic on that route to/from Beirut. MEA and AC schedules are coordinated in both directions. The last time I flew AC GVA-YUL there must have at least 50 passengers connecting from the MEA A320 from BEY to the AC A333 to YUL.
 
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RE: AC Sending Traffic Through CX & Not *alliance?

Sat Oct 03, 2015 6:49 am

No different to NZ having an joint venture with CX and codeshare with CX. In which they both recognize each others frequent flyer programs on agreed routes.

Have an look at http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/co-operation-partners-cathay-pacific

Theres nothing wrong with an airline codeshare outside of an alliance, sometimes its in the airlines/customers best intrest that they do.
 
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RE: AC Sending Traffic Through CX & Not *alliance?

Sat Oct 03, 2015 7:06 am

AvGeeks get way too caught up in the whole "...but but but, they're in different alliances!" line of thinking.

Airlines interline pax on non-allied carriers all day every day, especially at large gateway airports that tend to be dominated by one or two carriers. Codeshare isn't needed either.
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RE: AC Sending Traffic Through CX & Not *alliance?

Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:21 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 11):
AvGeeks get way too caught up in the whole "...but but but, they're in different alliances!" line of thinking.

Agreed. Ultimately the airlines are going to do what's right for their business.
 
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RE: AC Sending Traffic Through CX & Not *alliance?

Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:36 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 11):
AvGeeks get way too caught up in the whole "...but but but, they're in different alliances!" line of thinking.

Really though, we are probably only talking about a very small percentage of connection traffic at your typical alliance hub.

I suspect your average elite level traveller wants to maximize their point accumulation by staying within the preferred alliance and take advantage of the easier connection in the same terminal building (usually).

This practice does defeat the purpose of the many synergies and benefits in the alliance system.

What is the - right for their business - angle that an airline can claim by routing business through a competitor......

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RE: AC Sending Traffic Through CX & Not *alliance?

Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:42 pm

There are many airlines that codeshare with non alliance partners. JAL codeshares with AF and a number of other Skyteam and *A airlines. QF codeshares with MU and AZ.
 
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RE: AC Sending Traffic Through CX & Not *alliance?

Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:49 pm

Quoting tcyvr (Thread starter):
I recently travelled from Canada with AC to HKG, and from there CX for the onwards trip.

OP, what was your full routing? flight numbers may also be insightful if you're willing to disclose.
 
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RE: AC Sending Traffic Through CX & Not *alliance?

Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:34 am

A couple years ago I flew YYZ-DFW-SAT. It was on an AC ticket and AC metal to DFW but on AA metal to SAT.
 
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RE: AC Sending Traffic Through CX & Not *alliance?

Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:19 am

Quoting DC10sRULE (Reply 13):
Really though, we are probably only talking about a very small percentage of connection traffic at your typical alliance hub.

Based on what?

Quoting DC10sRULE (Reply 13):
elite level traveller

THAT is the "very small percentage" here.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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RE: AC Sending Traffic Through CX & Not *alliance?

Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:21 am

Alliances aren't everything. Virgin's biggest interline partner by volume? British Airways.
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RE: AC Sending Traffic Through CX & Not *alliance?

Mon Oct 05, 2015 1:14 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 18):

Alliances aren't everything. Virgin's biggest interline partner by volume? British Airways.

  

and you can bet that among the US3 some of their biggest interline partners by volume are one another (with the fresh exception of AA and DL).

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