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Delta A319 At SBA?

Sat Oct 03, 2015 5:36 pm

There is a DL A319 parked away from the terminal here at SBA. When I first saw it Monday night (Sept 28), I thought it might be a charter. But it was still here as of last night (Friday, Oct 2) in the exact same place. Anybody know why? DL has no scheduled service to SBA.

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RE: Delta A319 At SBA?

Sat Oct 03, 2015 6:21 pm

From Google, Memphis Grizzlies are having training camp in SBA this year, and this is around when it starts. Lots of NBA teams use the VIP Delta A319s, so probably all related.
 
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RE: Delta A319 At SBA?

Sat Oct 03, 2015 7:41 pm

Thanks, I'm a little surprised DL just left it here. I assumed that they would fly the plane out for other uses, then bring it back to pick up the team.
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RE: Delta A319 At SBA?

Sat Oct 03, 2015 8:11 pm

Quoting WALmsp (Reply 2):
Thanks, I'm a little surprised DL just left it here. I assumed that they would fly the plane out for other uses, then bring it back to pick up the team.

The A319s used for NBA charters are specially configured. This time of year there probably isn't a lot for them to be doing.
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RE: Delta A319 At SBA?

Sat Oct 03, 2015 8:24 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
The A319s used for NBA charters are specially configured. This time of year there probably isn't a lot for them to be doing.

Exactly. The aircraft flew in as DL8930 on 9/28 and is leaving today 10/3 as DL8930.
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RE: Delta A319 At SBA?

Sat Oct 03, 2015 8:43 pm

Airlines have specially configured (subfleets) just for sports charters? Interesting.
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RE: Delta A319 At SBA?

Sat Oct 03, 2015 9:39 pm

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 5):
Airlines have specially configured (subfleets) just for sports charters? Interesting.

No, pretty much only Delta. Other sports teams either use planes from charter airlines or just the same configuration as regular service, although usually with far fewer passengers.
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RE: Delta A319 At SBA?

Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:04 pm

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 5):
Airlines have specially configured (subfleets) just for sports charters?

AC offers this through their AC Jetz service. It is 58 business class seats configured in a 2-2 with two meeting tables. Not only for sports teams, but for VIP charter just like Delta. They have two A319s configured like this in the fleet.
 
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RE: Delta A319 At SBA?

Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:15 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 6):
Quoting YYZFAN (Reply 7):

A little off topic but I saw an AC aircraft with the Jetz label land at FLL today.
 
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RE: Delta A319 At SBA?

Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:42 am

Quoting WALmsp (Reply 2):

Thanks, I'm a little surprised DL just left it here. I assumed that they would fly the plane out for other uses, then bring it back to pick up the team.

If there is nothing else for it to do, and they needed it there a few days later, it saves a bunch of money to just let it be parked.
 
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RE: Delta A319 At SBA?

Sun Oct 04, 2015 1:06 am

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 5):
Airlines have specially configured (subfleets) just for sports charters? Interesting.

The NBA contract calls for them to be configured this way. I can't imagine those guys flying in regular coach seats. Next season the contract switches to 757 in place of the 319. The small subfleet are one that have been retired from DL and will be sold to a third party. The planes remain on the DL ops spec and are crewed and maintained by DL.

All of the other sports charters at DL are flown on regular configed aircraft. That includes a lot of MLB, pro and college football.
 
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RE: Delta A319 At SBA?

Sun Oct 04, 2015 1:07 am

Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 10):
The NBA contract calls for them to be configured this way. I can't imagine those guys flying in regular coach seats. Next season the contract switches to 757 in place of the 319. The small subfleet are one that have been retired from DL and will be sold to a third party. The planes remain on the DL ops spec and are crewed and maintained by DL.

All of the other sports charters at DL are flown on regular configed aircraft. That includes a lot of MLB, pro and college football.

Other sports also have much bigger teams.
 
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RE: Delta A319 At SBA?

Sun Oct 04, 2015 1:20 am

Quoting dfwjim1 (Reply 8):
A little off topic but I saw an AC aircraft with the Jetz label land at FLL today.

Lightning were in town to play the Panthers for a preseason NHL hockey game. That is the likely explanation.
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RE: Delta A319 At SBA?

Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:00 am

Quoting jetpixx (Reply 12):
Lightning were in town to play the Panthers for a preseason NHL hockey game. That is the likely explanation

Straying off topic, but unlikely:

1. They would likely not charter an aircraft for that distance.

2. I don't think AC can operate US-US. I believe this was an issue a few years ago, not sure if it was solved.
 
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RE: Delta A319 At SBA?

Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:03 am

Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 10):
The NBA contract calls for them to be configured this way. I can't imagine those guys flying in regular coach seats. Next season the contract switches to 757 in place of the 319. The small subfleet are one that have been retired from DL and will be sold to a third party. The planes remain on the DL ops spec and are crewed and maintained by DL.

I don't think the airplanes are being sold.... I thought we were just dedicating a 757 fleet to the NBA charters and being paid to do so.
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RE: Delta A319 At SBA?

Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:06 am

Quoting YYZFAN (Reply 13):
Straying off topic, but unlikely:

1. They would likely not charter an aircraft for that distance.

The Lightning played in Dallas Thursday, so they likely came directly from there.

2. I don't think AC can operate US-US. I believe this was an issue a few years ago, not sure if it was solved.

This I am not sure about, but I am pretty positive that many US hockey teams use Jetz, and obviously many do not fly to Canada for all of their games. I would imagine this issue has been resolved. In fact, I am pretty sure the Hurricanes use them from here (RDU), but not 100 percent on that.
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RE: Delta A319 At SBA?

Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:53 pm

Quoting YYZFAN (Reply 13):
1. They would likely not charter an aircraft for that distance.

They most certainly will. All NHL, NFL, and NBA teams use charters for most all team travel except in the NE between the NY/New Jersey, etc area. Sunrise to Tampa is 256 miles. That would be a flight.

Quoting YYZFAN (Reply 13):
2. I don't think AC can operate US-US. I believe this was an issue a few years ago, not sure if it was solved.

Also, the most certainly can. The Nashville Predators (NHL) lost their contract with Swift due to bankruptcy court rullings and were quickly forced to use Air Canada for one year, flying as ACA7013 and ACA7014 in 2013. The vast majority of their flights were US-US. The next year they used and continue to use Delta as DAL8948.

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RE: Delta A319 At SBA?

Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:00 pm

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 14):
I don't think the airplanes are being sold.... I thought we were just dedicating a 757 fleet to the NBA charters and being paid to do so.

Yes they are being sold. The holding company is paying for the required HMV check and the interior mod. The deal was posted on DL net about a week ago. The first aircraft is in Jacksonville getting the work done now.
 
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RE: Delta A319 At SBA?

Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:43 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 16):
They most certainly will. All NHL, NFL, and NBA teams use charters for most all team travel except in the NE between the NY/New Jersey, etc area. Sunrise to Tampa is 256 miles. That would be a flight.

I should have evaluated the distance better. For some reason I thought they were much clsoer.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 16):
Also, the most certainly can.

The issue I was referring to happened back in 2009. Article: http://www.thestar.com/business/2009...charter_flights_for_nhl_teams.html

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RE: Delta A319 At SBA?

Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:21 pm

Are these DL and AC designated sports team charter configured planes only a North American phenomenon or does something like that also exist in Europe for instance for soccer teams (i.e. LH for Bayern Munich or TK for Barcelona) or are they traveling in regularly configured planes (as did the German national soccer team after their 2014 FIFA world cup win from Brazil)
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RE: Delta A319 At SBA?

Mon Oct 05, 2015 12:03 am

Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 17):
Yes they are being sold. The holding company is paying for the required HMV check and the interior mod. The deal was posted on DL net about a week ago. The first aircraft is in Jacksonville getting the work done now.

Interesting, I knew about the first aircraft being worked on but not that they're being sold. Do we know to who and why? Seems like unless the NBA is buying the airplanes for their exclusive use, it would make more sense for Delta to retain them for other charter work during the off-season.
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RE: Delta A319 At SBA?

Mon Oct 05, 2015 12:20 am

Quoting jetpixx (Reply 15):
Quoting YYZFAN (Reply 13):
Straying off topic, but unlikely:

1. They would likely not charter an aircraft for that distance.

The Lightning played in Dallas Thursday, so they likely came directly from there.

2. I don't think AC can operate US-US. I believe this was an issue a few years ago, not sure if it was solved.

This I am not sure about, but I am pretty positive that many US hockey teams use Jetz, and obviously many do not fly to Canada for all of their games. I would imagine this issue has been resolved.

Yes it was resolved. This was the settlement agreement.
http://airlineinfo.com/ostpdf75/366.pdf

Basically, it says AC can carry sports teams between U.S. points provided all passengers carried on those flights also fly on at least one Canada-U.S. transborder sector during that game season, and that all passengers on those flights are directly connected with the team in question (players, staff etc.).
 
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RE: Delta A319 At SBA?

Mon Oct 05, 2015 1:41 am

Quoting dfwjim1 (Reply 8):
A little off topic but I saw an AC aircraft with the Jetz label land at FLL today.

I've flown on a Jetz branded AC plane on a regular flight with the regular configuration.
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RE: Delta A319 At SBA?

Mon Oct 05, 2015 1:56 am

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 20):

Interesting, I knew about the first aircraft being worked on but not that they're being sold. Do we know to who and why? Seems like unless the NBA is buying the airplanes for their exclusive use, it would make more sense for Delta to retain them for other charter work during the off-season.

Its a leasing company. I can't remember who.

2 will also have extra fuel tanks added for long flying. IIRC Delta can use them outside of the season for other charter work too. (so expect one to pretty much live in NYC like one of the 319 does currently)
 
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RE: Delta A319 At SBA?

Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:49 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 23):
Its a leasing company. I can't remember who.

Is it a purchase and lease back kind of deal? Or are we simply operating them?
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RE: Delta A319 At SBA?

Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:54 am

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 24):

Is it a purchase and lease back kind of deal? Or are we simply operating them?

basically like a sale lease back.

But its a four party agreement between Delta, the leasing company, the NBA and the NHL

I really don't know why Delta isn't going to just keep owning them....


(my guess is the leasing company will have to pay for the mods, winglets, extra tanks for the two, overhauls and component/engine overhuals Delta didn't want to pay for)
 
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RE: Delta A319 At SBA?

Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:46 pm

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 23):
2 will also have extra fuel tanks added for long flying.

I don't think they are getting extra fuel tanks, only two will be ETOPS config.
 
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RE: Delta A319 At SBA?

Tue Oct 06, 2015 2:07 pm

Quoting YYZFAN (Reply 13):
1. They would likely not charter an aircraft for that distance.

They can and do charter. In a previous operational life I worked a Panthers charter to Tampa.

Quoting YYZFAN (Reply 13):
2. I don't think AC can operate US-US. I believe this was an issue a few years ago, not sure if it was solved.

It has been resolved. CTA and DOT worked out a compromise. AC can operate sports charters within the United States.

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