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AF To Cut Jobs, Long-haul Fleet And Orders

Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:54 am

As part of efforts to lower costs, Air France today announced the following plans:

- Cut 2,900 jobs (1,700 ground staff, 900 cabin crew and 300 pilots)
- Cut 14 long-haul aircraft by 2017
- Cancel 787 orders

More details to come.

Reason for this dramatic change is due to Air France Fails To Reach Savings Accord With Crew (by mercure1 Oct 1 2015 in Civil Aviation)

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http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/1...e-employment-idUKKCN0RZ0OX20151005

[Edited 2015-10-05 04:03:14]
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RE: AF To Cut Jobs, Long-haul Fleet And Orders

Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:56 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
- Cancel 787 orders

Wow! Completely? As per the article yes...
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:03 am

Furthermore at least 5 long haul destinations will be closed. Kuala Lumpur is confirmed, Bangkok and Jakarta rumored. The airline will also closed some routes in India, by 2017.

Frequencies will be reduced on 22 destinations

[Edited 2015-10-05 04:04:27]
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:04 am

Such a shame they are running their airline into the ground.  
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:04 am

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 1):
Completely? As per the article yes...

The 787s on direct order with Boeing, yes. The aircraft on lease for KLM are still due.
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RE: AF To Cut Jobs, Long-haul Fleet And Orders

Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:06 am

Shame the Unions are running it into the ground.
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:08 am

What about the A350's?
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:11 am

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RE: AF To Cut Jobs, Long-haul Fleet And Orders

Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:12 am

I still cant see all this happening.
The government will try to mediate something in between.
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:12 am

Does this affect KLM and their operations, they must be feeling a little nervous in Amsterdam on seeing this on Air France.
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:21 am

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 1):
Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):- Cancel 787 orders
Wow! Completely? As per the article yes...

Just the 787s due for AF I suppose. And I need to see official confirmation before I believe those will be cancelled and not deferred. KL will get their 787s. They need them, their long haul future fleet plan is all 777/787.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 4):
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 1):Completely? As per the article yes...
The 787s on direct order with Boeing, yes. The aircraft on lease for KLM are still due.

One of KL's 787s on direct order with Boeing is due for delivery mid 2016, would be very costly to cancel it at this stage. Don't think it will happen.

Quoting su184 (Reply 6):
What about the A350's?

For now, AF will get all of those on order - if they survive of course   
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:24 am

Actually, this may develop more in KL's favour... if management at AF are not able to come to a positive agreement with the unions, notably that of the pilots, management have already hinted that it would increasingly develop codeshare agreements with its partners by putting AF flight numbers on Delta, Jet Airways, Etihad, CZ and MU, and especially KLM flights...
I'm wondering what would prevent KL to start offering international flights out of Paris, other than to AMS...
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:31 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
300 pilots)
Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
Cancel 787 orders

If I was at TK headquarters, I'll gladly take both of them  
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:31 am

What is the unions end game? Specifically, with AF's high losses, what are they trying to accomplish that is achievable?

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
- Cancel 787 orders

Wow... I will wait for confirmation to believe it, but sadly it seems it will happen.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 4):
The aircraft on lease for KLM are still due.

That is good news... for part of the group.

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Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:34 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
What is the unions end game? Specifically, with AF's high losses, what are they trying to accomplish that is achievable?

Getting the airline back under state control.
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:41 am

Quoting TYCOON (Reply 11):
Actually, this may develop more in KL's favour... if management at AF are not able to come to a positive agreement with the unions, notably that of the pilots, management have already hinted that it would increasingly develop codeshare agreements with its partners by putting AF flight numbers on Delta, Jet Airways, Etihad, CZ and MU, and especially KLM flights...

Being France (and as a foreigner who has worked in France) I have a very strong intuition that this has to do with "old style" French management, which undoubtedly must be the case in a "dinosaur" like Air France. The problem with AF and this "management style" is that commercial aviation is one of the most global industries and they are part of Dutch-French group. I honestly would love to see meetings between the French and the Dutch... they must be interesting.

Of course, from airliners.net perspective, it is much easier to blame unions and "lazy" workers.
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:44 am

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 9):
Does this affect KLM and their operations, they must be feeling a little nervous in Amsterdam on seeing this on Air France.

We need to get the facts straight here, there are two companies:

- AF company based in Paris
- KL company based in Amsterdam

= under one umbrella organisation - AF/KL Mother Company.

The current labour issues relate to the AF company only.

The KL company has all its labour agreements in place and would only be impacted if AF flights were to stop.

This is apart from KL staff expressing dismay at what they see happening in the AF company.

AF company restructuring is reaching the pinnacle of its labour negotiations, with AF management calling the unions bluff and the unions responding. It is going to be make or brake for both sides and it seems the unions made a political booboo today, which may cost them dearly in public/political support.
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:45 am

Unions may well have good intentions at times but they have also done a lot of harm at times to airlines.

This is a time that AF desperately needs solutions, and difficult choices are all part of that. It's never easy, but it's better to cut a bit at this stage than risk everyone losing their jobs.

You feel for the people involved though, but hanging on to the belief that nothing should change is not a solution.
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:46 am

Cancel 787 orders?

Quote:
The French airline also wants to cancel its order for Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircraft, the sources added. Air France-KLM has 19 787-9 and six 787-10 jets on order.



Not the same thing. Every airline wants 100% LF, cheaper labor and fuel but is that always the case now isn't it? Boeing, as well as if it were Airbus, will try to work with the customer to defer the order or something similar. A quote from an Air France official would be better than the speculative language here in the article.
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:49 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):- Cancel 787 orders
Wow... I will wait for confirmation to believe it, but sadly it seems it will happen.

Dutch news site nu.nl (which is usually well informed) still says 787 deliveries for Air France will be postponed.
Personally, I don't think they will ever end up with AF, some may end up at a new LCC set up in France, others will go to KL at a much, much later stage. But that is my personal idea.
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 12:04 pm

Quoting seahawk (Reply 14):

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
What is the unions end game? Specifically, with AF's high losses, what are they trying to accomplish that is achievable?

Getting the airline back under state control.

Same kind of tactics seemed to work just fine for AZ staff.


Every successive takeover/ exercise of financial engineering through all the AZ agonies - all the on-board AZ staff just got a plushy-ride straight through . . .

No matter how they had behaved previously.
(^^ outrageous flight with AZ Cairo-Rome. I still can't believe it.)

My two-cents says the AF staff tactic will work fine for them also.
(It would work perfectly in Oz, too, BTW.)


  

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Mon Oct 05, 2015 12:11 pm

Quoting Seahawk

Getting the airline back under state control.


Well said!

Venezuela understands this, Greece is about too and we in what is left of the West better learn it.

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Mon Oct 05, 2015 12:13 pm

Quoting Planeflyer (Reply 21):
The more a government restricts, regulates and taxes private property the more we all become impoverished.

Good Lord....
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 12:13 pm

Does AF need to fly to all the cities it flies to in Latin America, is an A340 to BOG really an winner ? Iberia, AF, KLM and LH all have decent coverage of Latin America.
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 12:59 pm

Quoting rukundo (Reply 2):

Thank you. 22 routes cut is significant.  
Quoting OA260 (Reply 3):

Management is certainly not up to the task.

Quoting rbavfan (Reply 5):

The unions are expediting the process.

Ghad this feels like Eastern where a major change must happen, but the management/union relationships doom the process.

Quoting Amsterdam (Reply 8):

Exactly what can the government do to mandate profits? The reality is reform has been delayed too long. Thus the reforms are less ideal and more brutal.


I'd like to hear the concrete proposals for a return to profit, elusive for 7 years.

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Mon Oct 05, 2015 1:50 pm

Quoting TYCOON (Reply 11):
'm wondering what would prevent KL to start offering international flights out of Paris, other than to AMS.

Not wanting to see their pilots and flight attendants climb a fence to safety would be a start, I'd guess. The unions are already complaining loudly about unfair competition (from LCCs and the M3). This would not help.
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:02 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
- Cut 2,900 jobs (1,700 ground staff, 900 cabin crew and 300 pilots)
- Cut 14 long-haul aircraft by 2017
- Cancel 787 orders

Well, they are in trouble and the fight with the unions is not helping here. And they desperately need to do some serious cutting to survive.
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:07 pm

Quoting JimJupiter (Reply 22):
Good Lord....

  

Times change and AF and its employees have to figure out how to become profitable in the new globalized framework with open skies and no borders within the EU. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Perhaps a European labor expert can correct me but I don’t believe these layoffs going to save any money in the short run? How long must AF continue to pay these employees under French labor law? I know the multinational company I worked for in Europe ended up moving operations from a few bases in the continent to Dublin largely based on the ease of adding and reducing employees as needed.
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:17 pm

All this talk of AF cutting / reducing their Far East & India services must be great news for the ME3 and TK.
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:23 pm

Could a work around be achieved by employing staff on KL contracts, operating AF metal on AF routes?
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:30 pm

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 18):
The French airline also wants to cancel its order for Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircraft, the sources added. Air France-KLM has 19 787-9 and six 787-10 jets on order.

This could open some earlier slots for other carriers--TK and DL come to mind, possibly BA.

Richard Anderson has said he sees a need for 787's in the fleet at some point and that he likes the 787-10. However, wouldn't the A350-900 fill that requirement nicely? TK would be my best SWAG. Or AF is using it as a negotiating ploy with their unions.
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:00 pm

Presentation of the Air France restructuring plan

Air France’s long-haul capacity should decline by around 10% between 2015 and 2017. At the level of the Air France-KLM’s passenger network business, capacity should fall by around 2% between 2015 and 2017, compared with a previous expectation of around 3% growth.

The plan currently foresees the closure of five routes and the cancellation of 35 weekly frequencies by 2017. The schedule modifications will focus on routes where losses are highest, serving principally Asia and the Middle-East. The impact on the commercial footprint of the Group will be minimal thanks to, among other, the numerous partnerships in the relevant markets.

Air France’s long-haul fleet will be scaled back by 14 aircraft, from 107 aircraft in operation during Summer 2015 to 93 in Summer 2017. This adjustment will mainly be made via the accelerated retirement of Airbus A340s which will not be replaced by Boeing 787s as had been initially planned. In 2016 and 2017, the related capex reduction could reach up to €200 million.

This reduction in activity will result in estimated overstaffing of 2,900 people, comprising approximately 300 pilots, 900 cabin crew and 1,700 ground staff.

http://www.airfranceklm.com/en/prese...tion-air-france-restructuring-plan

[Edited 2015-10-05 08:06:27]
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:05 pm

interesting times - so now Philippine Airlines will have an immediate access to B789s and they need eight (8) of them as compared to the A350 which they will need to wait for 2017
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:12 pm

Quoting su184 (Reply 6):
What about the A350's?
Quoting frigatebird (Reply 10):
For now, AF will get all of those on order
AF was looking at deferring both back in June as the first of each are evidently due in November 2016:
http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/ne...ing-deferring-a350-b787-deliveries

AF might have a cancellation clause for the 787s they can exercise due to the delays.

That being said, I wonder if AF will be able to afford to take the A350s.

Perhaps KLM will end up taking the 787s AF cancels/defers in place of whatever A350s they were tasked to get?

[Edited 2015-10-05 08:15:10]
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:14 pm

Quoting rukundo (Reply 32):
Air France’s long-haul fleet will be scaled back by 14 aircraft, from 107 aircraft in operation during Summer 2015 to 93 in Summer 2017. This adjustment will mainly be made via the accelerated retirement of Airbus A340s which will not be replaced by Boeing 787s as had been initially planned.

Planespotters indicates they still have 13 A340s. Are they all leaving, if so what's the 14th frames to be retired?
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:16 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 35):
Planespotters indicates they still have 13 A340s. Are they all leaving, if so what's the 14th frames to be retired?

747-400? That is the next-oldest fleet and they have five per airfleets.net.
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:19 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 31):

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 18):
The French airline also wants to cancel its order for Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircraft, the sources added. Air France-KLM has 19 787-9 and six 787-10 jets on order.

This could open some earlier slots for other carriers--TK and DL come to mind, possibly BA.

That was my initial thought as well. When are these delivery slots? This also might help EK with their 787/A350 decision. If the delivery slots are far enough out, could the 789s be switched to 7810s or is it too late for that?
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:26 pm

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 37):
When are these delivery slots?

They start in November 2016.
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:30 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 38):

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 37):
When are these delivery slots?

They start in November 2016.

Wow, that soon? That wouldn't benefit EK much, unless they decided to take 789s along with the 7810, which isn't likely.

Aren't there steep penalties for airlines to cancel orders this late in the game?
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:38 pm

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 10):
KL will get their 787s. They need them, their long haul future fleet plan is all 777/787.

I thought they were getting A350s too?
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:40 pm

Plays right into Emirates hand. Except we all know Emirates is not hurting any other carriers or costing local jobs, I read that here all the time.
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:20 pm

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 30):

No
The the unions have solidarity

Quoting PM (Reply 40):

Its stills planned yes, but I expect it wont happen.
The A330 fleet will already shrink to 12 next year.
The 77/78 will be a common type fleet.
So keeping a seperate airbus fleet only makes sense if it the costs of having a whole extra division are less than the increased profit the A350 can bring.
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:22 pm

Quoting rukundo (Reply 32):
The plan currently foresees the closure of five routes and the cancellation of 35 weekly frequencies by 2017. The schedule modifications will focus on routes where losses are highest, serving principally Asia and the Middle-East. The impact on the commercial footprint of the Group will be minimal thanks to, among other, the numerous partnerships in the relevant markets.

my 5 predictions for route cuts in Asia/Middle East are as follows:

i. RUH (SV already flies daily from JED and RUH to CDG so they can maintain Sky Team presence)

ii. CAN (CZ already flies daily from CAN to CDG so they can maintain Sky Team hub to hub presence)

iii. WUH- Wuhan, China

iv. KIX (big loss maker already)

v. BKK or SGN (I say BKK though as SGN is important to maintain due to colonial ties)
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:23 pm

Quoting TC957 (Reply 29):
All this talk of AF cutting / reducing their Far East & India services must be great news for the ME3 and TK.

They will say it's proof of the predatory nature of the ME3 and TK, as they are not so much creating a market but creating 1/2 a market and destroying 1/2 an existing market.
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:46 pm

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 37):
If the delivery slots are far enough out, could the 789s be switched to 7810s or is it too late for that?

AF/KL evidently did convert 6 787-9 to 787-10 in August.
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:54 pm

Quoting rukundo (Reply 32):
This reduction in activity will result in estimated overstaffing of 2,900 people, comprising approximately 300 pilots, 900 cabin crew and 1,700 ground staff.

Joy, Now, the disastrous nightmare of connecting checked baggage ground ops at CDG is just going to become worse.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 23):
Does AF need to fly to all the cities it flies to in Latin America, is an A340 to BOG really an winner ? Iberia, AF, KLM and LH all have decent coverage of Latin America.

Latin America is known to be pretty strong for AF, and they have a long, well-established presence in most of the cities they serve there. BOG is a typical "hot and high" airport, so there is better use of an A340 there than there would be in a cool and low airport. I'm sure that BOG would be fine for the 772 too, but it is quite a bit larger with more seats to sell. In the likely event that AF keeps BOG, they will have to go for a twin once the A340 is retired anyway.
Their plan for SXM is what I am curious about (evidently this route is also likely to stay)

Quoting EC99 (Reply 28):
Perhaps a European labor expert can correct me but I don’t believe these layoffs going to save any money in the short run? How long must AF continue to pay these employees under French labor law?

To partly answer your question, AF would not pay the laid-off employees directly, employee- and employer-funded national unemployment compensation programs would, but only up to a certain cap, which is a minor fraction of their original salary. What usually happens is that the company is forced to pay compensation to make up for that lost income, usually under a lump sum right at time of lay off, the amount of which is bargained between companies and unions (or their respective lawyers).

At the end of the day, AF was committed to avoid this by trying to expand, get more competitive, 2 somewhat risky ventures that would have undoubtedly benefited to an otherwise relatively sleepy French economy. But since certain unions say NON and the plan is dead, AF is now going for a much less desired option, and will contribute further to the trend of morose economy and growing unemployment in France. Bravo!

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 24):
Thank you. 22 routes cut is significant.

However, we are talking frequency reductions, not pure cuts. Pure cuts only talked about for a fewer number of routes. But I agree that the proposed reductions are significant nonetheless. 14 long-haul aircraft is no small deal.
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RE: AF To Cut Jobs, Long-haul Fleet And Orders

Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:28 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 34):
AF might have a cancellation clause for the 787s they can exercise due to the delays.

Not too sure about that, AF/KL were late to order the 787, the delays were well known by then.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 34):
Perhaps KLM will end up taking the 787s AF cancels/defers in place of whatever A350s they were tasked to get?

This could very well happen. KL will have retired their entire 747 and A330 fleets by 2022, that's about 36 aircraft. They have 4x 77W and 21x 787 on order as replacement, so unless KL plans to shrink their fleet considerably as well, they are a bit short of aircraft on order.

Quoting PM (Reply 40):
I thought they were getting A350s too?

The plan was for KL to take just 7x A350, which IMO would be too small a sub fleet for KL. On a Dutch aviation site, there are persistent rumors for some while that KL will have an all Boeing wide body fleet, just 777s and 787s. I'm not sure how reliable their sources are, but apparently it came from within KLM. So, no A350s for KL, all will go to AF, which in turn would eventually operate an all Airbus long haul fleet. I could follow the logic of such a plan.

But with the recent woes at AF, who knows what will happen in the end. The same Dutch just mentioned reservation of the registration numbers for KL's A350 (PH-AZA to PH-AZG). So I guess anything is possible...

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RE: AF To Cut Jobs, Long-haul Fleet And Orders

Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:29 pm

Quoting Jimjupiter

Good Lord


Heaven help us would better describe the damage done to the French economy by the socialistic policies implemented over the past 50 years.

Airlines rely on GDP growth and while government policies that stifle it may not be an aerospace topic they do impact the industry.
 
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RE: AF To Cut Jobs, Long-haul Fleet And Orders

Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:00 pm

If AF drops cities KLM serves pax can at least go via AMS or via CDG directly with partners of AF.
KLM and partners might also be able to increase the frequencies on cities where AF is cutting frequencies.

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