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DHL To Replace 32 757s With 32 Newer 757s

Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:04 pm

Guess the best replacement for a 757 is another 757..



Managing director of DHL Express subsidiary EAT says DHL will retire and scrap its 10 757s along with 22 additional frames operated by UK based DHL Air in favor of 32 newer 757 aircraft.

The newer aircraft would feature 15-pallet positions up from 14 available on current frames and likely converted by Precision Aircraft the only MRO holding STC for the 15 pallet option.


DHL to convert up to 32 more 757s
http://cargofacts.com/dhl-to-convert-up-to-32-more-757s/

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The 32 units to be retired are almost all over thirty years old, some of the earliest built 757 frames (all but 1 were ex-BA).
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RE: DHL To Replace 32 757s With 32 Newer 757s

Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:08 pm

There's quite a few UAL birds that FX has not taken that are all newer than these.
 
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RE: DHL To Replace 32 757s With 32 Newer 757s

Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:27 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Guess the best replacement for a 757 is another 757..

So long you can get more of these.

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
The 32 units to be retired are almost all over thirty years old, some of the earliest built 757 frames (all but 1 were ex-BA).

They must have clocked quite many hours and cycles with BA before adding more with QY over the last 12 to 15 years.
 
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RE: DHL To Replace 32 757s With 32 Newer 757s

Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:27 pm

Should the newer 757's have even better range and payload than the old BA 757's? As I recall the early Rolls Royce engines for the 757 had less power.
 
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RE: DHL To Replace 32 757s With 32 Newer 757s

Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:29 pm

Quoting flyingclrs727 (Reply 3):
Should the newer 757's have even better range and payload than the old BA 757's?

I doubt DHL is remotely pushing either range or payload on the old frames. These new frames may save a tiny bit of fuel, but this is really happening because the old frames are running out of cycles. The 757 has a low cycle limit by short-haul narrowbody standards.

[Edited 2015-10-06 14:30:07]
 
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RE: DHL To Replace 32 757s With 32 Newer 757s

Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:45 pm

With the extra pallet position, CHL will have the equivalent capacity of just over 34 of their current 757's. Does the Precision conversion cost more than the Boeing conversion? I noticed on Precision's website, that they did considerably more modification to existing 757 passenger planes than Boeing.
 
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RE: DHL To Replace 32 757s With 32 Newer 757s

Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:57 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 1):
There's quite a few UAL birds that FX has not taken that are all newer than these.

These are UA birds in GYR. Some have winglets. Unsure of status or ownership. All have PW engines.


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RE: DHL To Replace 32 757s With 32 Newer 757s

Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:02 am

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 6):

Airfleets is showing they are taking delivery of an ex Mexicana bird, l/n 821 and it has PW. Looks like they are open to getting PW engines.
 
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RE: DHL To Replace 32 757s With 32 Newer 757s

Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:46 am

not entirely surprised to see the 757s replaced, these aircraft do lots of euro shorthaul hops overnight with the longer sectors tending to be operated by the new build 767Fs

its a shame not to see more of these ordered, but DHL UK/EAT does have an interesting fleet including A300s, 757 and 767 off the top of my head


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RE: DHL To Replace 32 757s With 32 Newer 757s

Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:46 am

Glad they're finding more 757's - my a.net user name lives on!  
 
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RE: DHL To Replace 32 757s With 32 Newer 757s

Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:51 am

Quoting ER757 (Reply 9):
Glad they're finding more 757's - my a.net user name lives on!  

Mine too!!!  
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RE: DHL To Replace 32 757s With 32 Newer 757s

Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:09 am

Hello all,

Does anyone know for certain where DHL sourced these "newer" frames? I would think to make things simpler the a/c would be from a certain block in the production line, not one or two frames from here, several more here, etc.

Have they picked Pratt powered or have Rollers? Winglets or non?? Just wondering as it was discussed when FedEx went shopping and these items were important then.

Also, many of the these old airframes were ex-BA with Rollers, I was wondering if they would lean towards the RR powered frames because of their experience with them or not? I can't find anything on where/who the replacements are coming from.
 
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RE: DHL To Replace 32 757s With 32 Newer 757s

Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:19 pm

Sadly the ex BA -236s are coming to an end after 30+ glorious years in our skies.
Glad to see some of the 75s that have either joined the desert retirement homes or currently with other carriers being saved from the chop to serve a few more years (hopefully decade) with the cargo fleets.

Long live the 757!
 
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RE: DHL To Replace 32 757s With 32 Newer 757s

Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:18 pm

Not sure about the replacing planes with other ones, maybe they will, but I do know that Singapore Technologies is currently doing a 15 pallet mod on a 757, and here at Mobile we are scheduled to do a conversion from a 14 to a 15 pallet mod on at least one DHL plane.
 
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RE: DHL To Replace 32 757s With 32 Newer 757s

Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:22 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 2):
They must have clocked quite many hours and cycles with BA before adding more with QY over the last 12 to 15 years.


G-BIKC, BA's third 752, was delivered to the airline on 31 January 1983. After delivery it was ferried BFI-LHR (BA9603P) direct in 9 hrs 1 min.

BA retired 'KC on 17 April 2001. Its last BA revenue flight on that day was GLA-LHR (BA1499). On arrival at LHR it had flown a total of 31,801 hours and completed 33,448 cycles.

On 1 June 2001 it was registered to Barclays Mercantile Finance. It was then flown to Israel Aircraft Industries for conversion to a 752 SF on the following day.

It returned to the UK from TLV on 24 January 2002. After painting at SEN it was leased by DHL Europe on 27 March 2002.

By 31 December 2013 it had flown a total of 42,265 hrs. In calendar 2012 it flew for only 801 hrs. In 2014 it flew s little more adding another 981 flight hrs. Note that these figures are not a-typical of the annual utilisation rate of 752s operating for DHL.

'KC spent much if not all of its time with BA configured initially for 192 and later 201 Y Class passengers for operation on the airline's domestic Shuttle routes. So its average flight duration in passenger configuration will be shorter than those aircraft BA configured with 180 C/Y seats and operated on longer, international short-haul flights. Many of these also are amongst those aircraft operated for DHL.
 
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RE: DHL To Replace 32 757s With 32 Newer 757s

Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:29 pm

Quoting bluesky73 (Reply 12):

Sadly the ex BA -236s are coming to an end after 30+ glorious years in our skies.
Glad to see some of the 75s that have either joined the desert retirement homes or currently with other carriers being saved from the chop to serve a few more years (hopefully decade) with the cargo fleets.

Long live the 757!

I'm amazed that BA's original 757s are still flying in 2015 actually!
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RE: DHL To Replace 32 757s With 32 Newer 757s

Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:41 pm

I know I was half kidding in one of the many posts on A.net on reinstating the Boeing 757 production line when I said, "The only replacement for a Boeing 757 will be a new(er) Boeing 757."
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RE: DHL To Replace 32 757s With 32 Newer 757s

Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:42 pm

I have no idea if Precision is involved, but a quick google brought this up:

Quote:

The 757-200PCF is the only freighter aircraft in the world with 15 pallet positions. It has FAA, CAAC, EASA, Canadian, Brazilian, and Russian certifications, including approvals for Rolls-Royce and Pratt & Whitney engine variants. In addition, this distinguished 757 cargo aircraft is the world’s only certified, winglet-compatible 757-200 freighter.

Also available is a high payload variant, increasing the payload of 757 cargo aircraft to 80,000 lbs. (36,287 kg).

Ref: http://www.precisionaircraft.com/con...0-precision-conversions-freighter/

So they're good to go RR or PW, winglets or no winglets.

http://www.precisionaircraft.com/who-we-are/ says DHL has been a customer.   

Too bad FI isn't a customer: it'd be cool to have a 757F with 15 pallets loaded with 40 tons of fish! 
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RE: DHL To Replace 32 757s With 32 Newer 757s

Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:47 pm

8x of the aircraft are already listed here:

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/EAT-Leipzig

They're PW powered and Precision (PCF) rather than SF
 
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RE: DHL To Replace 32 757s With 32 Newer 757s

Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:58 pm

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 18):
8x of the aircraft are already listed here:

Following the links for the 8 stored frames, it seems 6x are ex-ILFC with PW and 2x are ex-GECAS with RR.
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RE: DHL To Replace 32 757s With 32 Newer 757s

Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:01 pm

Quoting kraz911 (Reply 11):

Easier said than done to get a line of aircraft from the same operator with Fed Ex and other airlines looking for 757's also. AA have some but older, used, and not yet available.
New aircraft mixed PW as per the lead article, Rolls, some with wingtips.
3 DHL Air B757 have been scrapped already in Madrid
     
 
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RE: DHL To Replace 32 757s With 32 Newer 757s

Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:21 pm

Hello all,

@ bmibaby737 and @ Revelation, thanks for the info. Any idea where the other 22 frames are coming from?

The AA frames have the Rollers and they might save some money on the paint jobs (less paint to strip!) LOL...
 
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RE: DHL To Replace 32 757s With 32 Newer 757s

Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:39 pm

Great opportunity for Allegiant to offload their 757 frames at a half-reasonable value, I'd think.
 
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RE: DHL To Replace 32 757s With 32 Newer 757s

Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:31 am

Quoting anjin (Reply 20):

Easier said than done to get a line of aircraft from the same operator with Fed Ex and other airlines looking for 757's also

FedEx is done acquiring any further 757's. The last PTF will roll out late next year.

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