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Is Boeing Doing Away With The 787 E-tint Windows?

Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:06 pm

On the latest thread about the 787's electro-chromatic dimmable windows, N1120A mentioned that the 787-10 and 77X will feature the traditional window shades instead of the e-tint available on the 788/789, which was great news to me.    I did some search and couldn't find anything to confirm the good news, is this an a.net rumor? Please someone confirm it's not. The e-tint is the only feature I don't like about the 787 and hope it won't come standard on the 77X and future 787s   

UA Forcing 787 Window "shades" To Be Blackened (by LatAmFlyer Sep 23 2015 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Is Boeing Doing Away With The 787 E-tint Windows?

Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:08 am

Flight Global said mechanical windows for 777-X a year ago. I can't find anything stating otherwise more recently.

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The 777X cabin will also feature larger windows, similar to a 787 cabin that offers passengers a view of the horizon from any seat. There will still be some technical differences between the two aircraft, unless Boeing announces more changes before the type enters service in 2020. The 787, for example, introduced electro-chromic windows, replacing window shades with devices that can adjust the opacity of the transparencies.

“We’ll look at what customers tell us about the windows,” Fancher says. “We might make some design changes there, but today it’s mechanical shades.”

aerospace-technology.com (credible? I have no idea) says 787-10 gets electro-dimmable windows:

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A spacious and comfortable cabin, with large dimmable windows, adjustable soft LED lighting and a facility to introduce clean and healthy air, can be found on the aircraft.

Boeing makes no distinction between 787-8/787-9 windows and 787-10 windows on their website. I'd assume 787-10 keeps electro-dimmable windows.
 
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:13 am

It makes no sense to introduce the technology on the -8 and -9 and then have to import extra parts for the -10.
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:39 am

Quoting smittythepirate (Reply 2):
It makes no sense to introduce the technology on the -8 and -9 and then have to import extra parts for the -10.

Actually, it would make sense. The parts are standardized, and the reduction in wiring, controllers, button pads, and weight would not be insignificant.

I, for one, LOVE the electro shades, but HATE that they gave control to the cabin crew. Makes it pointless to even HAVE a window in an airplane when the crew turns them to "dimmest" as soon as the wheels come up. And brightens them while descending through 10,000FT.
 
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:46 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 3):
I, for one, LOVE the electro shades, but HATE that they gave control to the cabin crew.

Exactly. The electrochromic windows are fine themselves but giving the control away is the problem.
 
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RE: Is Boeing Doing Away With The 787 E-tint Windows?

Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:39 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 3):
Actually, it would make sense. The parts are standardized

You think having different windows for one of the three derivatives is standardization?
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:51 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 3):
and the reduction in wiring, controllers, button pads, and weight would not be insignificant.

How much do these weigh in comparison to the shade itself? Don't believe the difference would be all too big.

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Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:31 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 3):
The parts are standardized

The parts are only standard if the windows are going to be the same size in multiple types
 
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RE: Is Boeing Doing Away With The 787 E-tint Windows?

Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:38 am

Hello all,

I have read that several B customers, including the 787 launch customer, have stated the shading the current windows provide isn't dark enough. This customer was looking for a shade to be designed and installed over the current windows in the delivered fleet.

During the marketing, I remember the shade-less, electro tinting windows had modern and "the future" attached to them. But I wonder not how much they weigh but how much they cost. It seems B is looking to save some money in the cost per unit. Titanium use, probably other items are being looked at.

The new windows? I hope they won't go away on the new models...
 
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:21 am

Bye bye gimmicky windows! They aren't a terrible idea but locking out the pax is!
 
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:43 am

Quoting Armodeen (Reply 9):
Bye bye gimmicky windows! They aren't a terrible idea but locking out the pax is!

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That's a training issue - address the training.

The window design is not the problem.
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:52 am

Quoting Armodeen (Reply 9):
Bye bye gimmicky windows! They aren't a terrible idea but locking out the pax is!

Well I am glad they're going, neat idea, total fail in practice if, like ne, on a night flight you prefer to sleep in darkness!
 
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:32 am

I haven't even ridden on this jet yet and I can't wait for these idiotic dimming window shades to go away if for no other rason then we can all stop hearing about how silly they are.
 
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:38 am

I have heard that some carriers have also complained that the windows are too hot to the touch when facing the sun.
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RE: Is Boeing Doing Away With The 787 E-tint Windows?

Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:48 am

Just use conventional shades that can only be opened by the FAs.
 
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:52 am

Quoting rta (Reply 4):
The electrochromic windows are fine themselves but giving the control away is the problem.

A few individuals who decide to flood the entire cabin with sunlight when everybody else is trying to sleep is the problem...

A minority of people seat near the window, and even less care about looking outside during the flight. People want to rest and make time go as fast as possible.

Overriding individual control of the shades by the cabin crew was the best feature of those fancy dimmable windows if you ask me.
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:30 am

Quoting francoflier (Reply 15):
A few individuals who decide to flood the entire cabin with sunlight when everybody else is trying to sleep is the problem...

A minority of people seat near the window, and even less care about looking outside during the flight. People want to rest and make time go as fast as possible.

Overriding individual control of the shades by the cabin crew was the best feature of those fancy dimmable windows if you ask me.

That's what eye shades are for.

I pay for a window seat, I will look out my window.

Now granted, if it had a full mechanical shade AND a dimming feature, I would be more than happy to slightly (50%) dim the window to try to minimize the effect on the cabin.

Its a communal space and my choice of views should be given the same weight as those who want claustrophobic darkness.
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RE: Is Boeing Doing Away With The 787 E-tint Windows?

Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:08 am

Quoting 77west (Reply 16):
Its a communal space and my choice of views should be given the same weight as those who want claustrophobic darkness.

With two window seats per 8 or 9, you're going to find yourself rather quickly outvoted.
 
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:40 am

Lets have several real-time views of the airframe and outside world available on the AVOD/PTV and do away with the weight and expense of windows altogether.
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:46 am

Quoting aviatorcraig (Reply 18):
Lets have several real-time views of the airframe and outside world available on the AVOD/PTV and do away with the weight and expense of windows altogether.

You need windows so that you can look outside in case of a crash, but I think we could do with about 1/3rd of the number installed today, maybe even with only 1 on each side of the doors and emergency exits.
 
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:59 am

Quoting seahawk (Reply 19):
You need windows so that you can look outside in case of a crash, but I think we could do with about 1/3rd of the number installed today, maybe even with only 1 on each side of the doors and emergency exits.

Just you then? I would not fly on a claustrophobic windowless cinema.
 
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:23 am

This all strikes me as use of technology, because it is available rather than due to it being better or what the customer wants.

We start off with a simple plastic frame and shutter, well established design, produced in thousands every month, 100% reliable.

Now we have electro chromatic glass, more expensive, plus electronics to eventually go wrong. and it doesn't even acheive overwhelming customer approval
 
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:28 am

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 20):
Just you then? I would not fly on a claustrophobic windowless cinema.

You could go by train then. Big windows, great view. Thank God they don't send them down tunnels under big cities or under the sea... oh, wait...
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:25 pm

Window shades open or closed?!?! Babies allowed or banned on aircraft?!?! Boeing or Airbus?!?!

A.Net is not really designed for high resolution systems.  

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RE: Is Boeing Doing Away With The 787 E-tint Windows?

Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:29 pm

Hi,

Clearly the primary reason that the crew are given control over the windows is so that they can be 'locked' up for takeoff and landing. A friend of mine told me on an AC 787 last week, some off the window where U/S at doors and covered by cardboard by the crew.

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Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:29 pm

Quoting allrite (Reply 23):

That is brilliant.
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:02 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 21):
This all strikes me as use of technology, because it is available rather than due to it being better or what the customer wants.

The customer is the airline. They like them.
 
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:05 pm

Quoting aviatorcraig (Reply 22):
You could go by train then. Big windows, great view. Thank God they don't send them down tunnels under big cities or under the sea... oh, wait...

Funny you should mention that.

When the underground metropolitan was first invented and put in service over 100 years ago, engineers thought they'd do away with windows because there was nothing but the dark wall of an unlit tunnel to look at outside anyway.

But the idea of traveling in a confined box with no windows was so horrifying to the punters that they quickly reversed the decision.
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I think the same would apply to an aircraft. I doubt windows are going away anytime soon, much to the disappointment of the engineers. Pilots might even lose the benefit of a window before passengers do...
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RE: Is Boeing Doing Away With The 787 E-tint Windows?

Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:08 pm

Quoting aviatorcraig (Reply 22):
You could go by train then. Big windows, great view. Thank God they don't send them down tunnels under big cities or under the sea... oh, wait...

What a bizarre post - you suggest going by train as an alternative to flying and then proceed to point out what a nonsensical, terrible this idea (that you came up with) is. What were you trying to say by that?

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Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:11 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 21):
We start off with a simple plastic frame and shutter, well established design, produced in thousands every month, 100% reliable.

You do know the reliablity issues with the mechanical shades is exactly the reason that Boeing went to the expense to develop the electronic system?
 
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:14 pm

Quoting EIDL (Reply 17):
With two window seats per 8 or 9, you're going to find yourself rather quickly outvoted.

I'm not sure that's true. I like shades open on flights where it's dark during "dark time" and light during "light time" (including most TATL flights and most long north-south flights) regardless of where I'm sitting.
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:17 pm

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 3):
Actually, it would make sense. The parts are standardized, and the reduction in wiring, controllers, button pads, and weight would not be insignificant.

From an assembly line point of view you would not want to have different sections of planes being built that requires different parts. Currently the aft sections of the 787 are the same for the -8 and -9. It would require additional training and layouts just to have the aft windows for the -10 different. Same for the mid bodies. If they found that customers no longer like the e-tint, they would probably remove it from all the variations.
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:27 pm

If I pay for a window seat, I will look out that window for the entire duration of the flight. I don't care if anyone near me wants to sleep, that is your problem for not selecting a window seat fast enough so you could control it. Simple as that.
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:55 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 30):
I like shades open on flights where it's dark during "dark time" and light during "light time" (including most TATL flights and most long north-south flights) regardless of where I'm sitting.

Me too, I like to be able to look outside. I'm perfectly happy to lighten the 787 window only enough for me to see out though. Something I can't do with the shades.

Quoting goboeing (Reply 12):
I haven't even ridden on this jet yet and I can't wait for these idiotic dimming window shades to go away if for no other rason then we can all stop hearing about how silly they are.

Now that's a great statement. You're forming your decision completely on what others say, having never tried it yourself?

You DO realize that this thread will NEVER go away!
 
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:17 pm

Quoting jeffh747 (Reply 32):
If I pay for a window seat, I will look out that window for the entire duration of the flight. I don't care if anyone near me wants to sleep, that is your problem for not selecting a window seat fast enough so you could control it. Simple as that.

That's not a very courteous attitude to other passengers, but rudeness seems to be an increasing problem in today's world. Life is too short not to try and accommodate the wishes of others, e.g. if the sun happens to be shining in their face.
 
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RE: Is Boeing Doing Away With The 787 E-tint Windows?

Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:30 pm

I've actually flown the 787 to London and back. The electronic shades, to me at least, dim enough that the cabin is very dark. I don't see the issue sleeping when the shades are all dimmed. Even with the sun blaring through it, it's still dark. The main source of light in the cabin, at that point, comes from the hundreds of PTV screens. If someone has an issue with those windows, then I'd imagine they should really be screaming about all the PTV's being on. But that's just my opinion.
 
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:47 pm

Quoting barney captain (Reply 10):
That's a training issue - address the training.

The window design is not the problem.

I would tend to agree with this. The airline needs to set the service standards about when they are to be dimmed and when the expensive new ambient lighting is to be set. It then becomes the purser's responsibility to see that these standards are met. He or she will have to answer for any problems with unhappy passengers.

Just to clarify, any purser can alter established procedures if there is a need to do so but you MUST submit in writing your rationale for having done so immediately.
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:52 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 13):
I have heard that some carriers have also complained that the windows are too hot to the touch when facing the sun.

True, but "old school" window shades get hot in the sun too...
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:52 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 21):
We start off with a simple plastic frame and shutter, well established design, produced in thousands every month, 100% reliable.

Far from 100% reliable. Shades break all the time. Sometimes multiple shades will break in one flight if abused by kids.

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 21):
plus electronics to eventually go wrong.

The electronics behind an electrochromic window shade are ridiculously simple. This isn't a fancy system full of motors and sensors. It's a touch switch and a couple of wires.
 
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:19 pm

Quoting aviatorcraig (Reply 22):
You could go by train then. Big windows, great view

Great idea! They have private sleeper cars that you can enjoy  
Quoting seabosdca (Reply 38):
The electronics behind an electrochromic window shade are ridiculously simple. This isn't a fancy system full of motors and sensors. It's a touch switch and a couple of wires.

IIRC, the L1011 Tristar had this feature, at least on the prototype.
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:39 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 38):
Shades break all the time.

Wow! I can recall having one broken window shade in my 15 years as a flight attendant. Just lucky I guess  
 
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:02 pm

Quoting adamblang (Reply 1):
Flight Global said mechanical windows for 777-X a year ago. I can't find anything stating otherwise more recently.

YES!    I hope Boeing and the airlines won't change their mind. When the 777X was first launched I read here and on other websites that it was to be equipped with e-tint windows just like the 787, I guess it was just a rumor.


Quoting smittythepirate (Reply 2):
It makes no sense to introduce the technology on the -8 and -9 and then have to import extra parts for the -10.

   However, I'm still hoping the e-tint will prove unreliable and/or unpopular enough for Boeing to offer the mechanical shades as an option on all 787 variants.


Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 3):
I, for one, LOVE the electro shades, but HATE that they gave control to the cabin crew. Makes it pointless to even HAVE a window in an airplane when the crew turns them to "dimmest" as soon as the wheels come up. And brightens them while descending through 10,000FT.
Quoting rta (Reply 4):
Exactly. The electrochromic windows are fine themselves but giving the control away is the problem.

   The e-tint can be useful when you want to look out when the sun is too bright, unfortunately their control will never be in the hands of pax only, that's why I want them to go away!


Quoting seahawk (Reply 14):
Just use conventional shades that can only be opened by the FAs.

Thanks for the terrible idea!   btw Airbus is doing exactly that on the A350, but the electrical blinds that can be controlled by the F/As are optional on the A350.


Quoting francoflier (Reply 15):
A few individuals who decide to flood the entire cabin with sunlight when everybody else is trying to sleep is the problem...

A minority of people seat near the window, and even less care about looking outside during the flight. People want to rest and make time go as fast as possible.

Overriding individual control of the shades by the cabin crew was the best feature of those fancy dimmable windows if you ask me.

I don't open my window when the glare is too bright, the problem is cabin crews at most airlines darken the cabin at all times except for take off and landing, which is NOT ok. You can watch a movie, play games everyday, but you can only enjoy the beauty of planet earth from 40,000' when flying!   I couldn't care less about watching Hollywood's latest blockbuster when overflying Greenland on a clear day.
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Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 21):
Now we have electro chromatic glass, more expensive, plus electronics to eventually go wrong. and it doesn't even acheive overwhelming customer approval

That's what I've been saying all along, as the planes age those windows will fail just like the IFE systems, etc..


Quoting francoflier (Reply 27):
When the underground metropolitan was first invented and put in service over 100 years ago, engineers thought they'd do away with windows because there was nothing but the dark wall of an unlit tunnel to look at outside anyway.

But the idea of traveling in a confined box with no windows was so horrifying to the punters that they quickly reversed the decision.
Such is human nature.

Pax can look out the windows every time the train makes a stop at a station.


Quoting francoflier (Reply 27):
I think the same would apply to an aircraft. I doubt windows are going away anytime soon, much to the disappointment of the engineers. Pilots might even lose the benefit of a window before passengers do...

I highly doubt it, despite all the modern instruments available to pilots, there's a reason why the 787' cockpit windows don't feature the electro-chromatic dimmers.


Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 29):
You do know the reliablity issues with the mechanical shades is exactly the reason that Boeing went to the expense to develop the electronic system?

Do you really think the e-tint is maintenance-free?!


Quoting seabosdca (Reply 38):
Far from 100% reliable. Shades break all the time. Sometimes multiple shades will break in one flight if abused by kids.

They may not be 100% reliable, but they certainly are not as unreliable as you're trying to imply!


Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 40):
Wow! I can recall having one broken window shade in my 15 years as a flight attendant. Just lucky I guess

Thank you! I've been on dozens of flights and never encountered a broken shade.
 
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RE: Is Boeing Doing Away With The 787 E-tint Windows?

Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:23 pm

Quoting 77west (Reply 16):
I pay for a window seat, I will look out my window.

Very few people "pay" for a window seat. Most just choose it. You pay for a seat and get a window if you're lucky.
As others have mentioned nothing worse than some numpty opening their window shade into the bright sun when it's a dark cabin of sleeping people...1 open window shade literally lights up an entire cabin so it is incredibly selfish when someone does that.... oh look a cloud... and another cloud... oh and endless ocean...wow. Sure there are sometimes interesting things to look at and most people understand that and it is fine but most long haul flights are over nothingness.
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RE: Is Boeing Doing Away With The 787 E-tint Windows?

Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:24 pm

They can go for darker tint levels if the customers are clamoring for it. Personally, after the experience with the shades I will only go with photo-chromatic glass if I ever replace windows on my home. It's just silly having blinds.

The way to control the shades is to have a flight attendant set a threshold, and the window seat passenger have a percentage override on that threshold. It gives the passenger the illusion of control, while the cabin doesn't get too bright. (FA can set from 80% to 10%, and the passenger can set from 100-10% of that level.)
 
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Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:52 pm

I think a lot of airlines like the new windows 'cause it enables them to keep pax asleep for the longest possible time in a dark cabin thus minimizing their demands, which is another way to cut costs. The problem is we, the people who appreciate the beautiful aerial views are the minority and nobody cares about our opinion.
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RE: Is Boeing Doing Away With The 787 E-tint Windows?

Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:49 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 15):
A few individuals who decide to flood the entire cabin with sunlight when everybody else is trying to sleep is the problem...
A minority of people seat near the window, and even less care about looking outside during the flight. People want to rest and make time go as fast as possible.

I don't look out of the window to view clouds, I have the window open because it makes my jetlag easier to cope with. The last time I flew from the UK to the US there was a man in the middle bank of seats demanding I dim the shade. On a day flight! Needless to say I politely declined.

If you want to sleep when the sun is shining, wear an eye mask. That's what they're for.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 34):
That's not a very courteous attitude to other passengers, but rudeness seems to be an increasing problem in today's world. Life is too short not to try and accommodate the wishes of others, e.g. if the sun happens to be shining in their face.

As many others have stated, you have the option to block out the light with an eye mask. I can't get natural light into my eyes without bringing an artificial light source, which is rather less practical.
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RE: Is Boeing Doing Away With The 787 E-tint Windows?

Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:59 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 34):
That's not a very courteous attitude to other passengers, but rudeness seems to be an increasing problem in today's world. Life is too short not to try and accommodate the wishes of others, e.g. if the sun happens to be shining in their face.

Exactly - "I want to sleep, and rather than take responsibility for myself and wear an eye mask, I'm going to insist that others sit in a dark cabin, unable to look outside, to accommodate my wishes..."
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RE: Is Boeing Doing Away With The 787 E-tint Windows?

Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:03 am

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 37):

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 13):
I have heard that some carriers have also complained that the windows are too hot to the touch when facing the sun.

True, but "old school" window shades get hot in the sun too...

Shades tend to be white/off white. Those dark electrochromic glasses probably store more heat than the shades do.
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RE: Is Boeing Doing Away With The 787 E-tint Windows?

Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:39 am

Quoting Moose135 (Reply 46):

So you'll make 400 pax wear masks just so you can look outside. That's ridiculously selfish

Another reason why I support Boeing's electro dimmer choice ... The selfish jerks can fly on airlines other than mine
 
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RE: Is Boeing Doing Away With The 787 E-tint Windows?

Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:00 am

Quoting KLMD11L (Reply 44):
I think a lot of airlines like the new windows 'cause it enables them to keep pax asleep for the longest possible time in a dark cabin thus minimizing their demands, which is another way to cut costs. The problem is we, the people who appreciate the beautiful aerial views are the minority and nobody cares about our opinion.

If it is the middle of the night halfway across the Atlantic or Pacific oceans there is absolutely NOTHING to look at. Generally there are cloud layers above and below you. So watch the AVOD, sleep, or read a book.
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