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Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:33 am

Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights From U.S. to Europe Coming Soon. Surprised Ryanair never thought about it.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/trav...-s-europe-coming-n439686?cid=sm_fb
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:42 am

You know, they already fly to the U.S.

Seems kind of strange to say that this is going to happen in 2017 when you could just make it happen today. Seems kind of disingenuous.

Also, I think he is overestimating the B737 MAX if he thinks that he can operate transatlantic with 189 passengers. Those are some heavy passengers.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:44 am

Quoting indcwby (Thread starter):
Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights From U.S. to Europe Coming Soon.

Great. When does he think profitability will come to Norwegian longhaul?  
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:54 am

I know they do fly to US (788s and 737s), but was talking more about the pricing point.
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:00 am

Quoting indcwby (Reply 3):
I know they do fly to US (788s and 737s), but was talking more about the pricing point.

He could charge $69 today   Just glancing at JFKLGW they're charging $79 each way before taxes and fuel surcharge.
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:11 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
Great. When does he think profitability will come to Norwegian longhaul?

A man can dream.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
Just glancing at JFKLGW they're charging $79 each way before taxes and fuel surcharge.

$198 is the cheapest I saw for JFK-LGW.
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:14 am

Doubt $69 is "profitable".
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:52 am

For LCC, certain tickets are certainly loss making by the ticket themselves,
which is severed as a marketing technique and is completely normal for LCC.

Numbers of LCC offers $0+tax tickets regularly and should not be a problem for them
as long as not all of the tickets are sold at $69.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:02 am

It will be $69. Plus fuel surcharge. Plus credit card fee. Plus airport fee. Plus security fee.

Total=same as BA.

Either that or three seats per aircraft for $69 and the rest at a reasonable flight.
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:36 am

Quoting DC10LOVER (Reply 6):

Doubt $69 is "profitable".

It's not, but as the article states, they expect the average price of the tickets to be $300 round trip. And I'm pretty sure most people spend quite a lot of cash onboard for food, beverages and so on. They also sell addon packages that include baggage fees, being able to choose seats, meals and everything else you get with a legacy carrier. Except help when something unforseen happens.

Flying 737MAX between smaller European cities and secondary US airports that see no long haul traffic today is interesting. I think we'll see more of this as the A320neo and 737MAX enters service.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:34 am

It will probably be bucked in way that will only allow 1-4 per flight on non peak days only.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:02 am

ok.... but then how do people like me (in MKE) connect to this? it's not like Norwegian is gonna fly their 787s all over the US to pick people up.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:13 am

Quoting rj777 (Reply 11):
ok.... but then how do people like me (in MKE) connect to this? it's not like Norwegian is gonna fly their 787s all over the US to pick people up.

you don't.
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:14 pm

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 10):
Quoting rj777 (Reply 11):

ok.... but then how do people like me (in MKE) connect to this? it's not like Norwegian is gonna fly their 787s all over the US to pick people up.

They expand it into mid America via the new 737s by making a fuel stop in Halifax or somewhere. Find cities like MIlwaukee, KC, New Orleans, Nashville and/or Memphis and fly them once or twice weekly and even just seasonally since these carriers are geared toward leasure travelers anyways. They should be looking for a LLC in America to team up with like Frontier and form some commonality on their pricing structure. There's some money to be made on drinks and snacks the longer the flight.

Complete nonsense right?
 
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:44 pm

Quoting indcwby (Reply 5):
$198 is the cheapest I saw for JFK-LGW.

$79 plus fees and surcharges, which is probably what he's referring to when he says $69

Quoting WaywardMemphian (Reply 13):
They expand it into mid America via the new 737s by making a fuel stop in Halifax or somewhere.

They're losing their shirt with nonstops; adding a fuel stop is going to make only make it more costly.
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:49 pm

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 9):
It's not, but as the article states, they expect the average price of the tickets to be $300 round trip. And I'm pretty sure most people spend quite a lot of cash onboard for food, beverages and so on.

That's more expensive than anyone else is charging. Last time I flew to Europe I paid less than $400rt for the fare. The additional fuel surcharge, taxes and other fees brought to total price to just over $800rt.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:52 pm

I think the plan is to get an aircraft that is small enough to fly profitably to its closest destination (BOS). Dump passengers at Logan and let them find their way throughout the contiguous 48 some other way (i.e. B6).
 
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:10 pm

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 16):
I think the plan is to get an aircraft that is small enough to fly profitably to its closest destination (BOS). Dump passengers at Logan and let them find their way throughout the contiguous 48 some other way (i.e. B6).

Anyone trying to use the MAX8 on TATL routes longer than LGW-BOS is going to make fuel providers in YYT and YQX very happy during the winter months. The real range of the 737MAX8 is not likely to extend much beyond 2900nm.
When you get those nice westerly 100 knot winds in the North Atlantic the range may drop 2-400nm and it becomes Gander time.
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:21 pm

This is great for the flying public. The status quo needs to be pushed to innovate and adapt. With the ATI across the 3 alliances, it is essentially all the same across the Atlantic for the majority of the flying public (not business class passengers but the majority of passengers, seated in economy).

The idea of more point to point is enticing as well.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:39 pm

I'm selfishly hoping that officials in MHT are aware of this development and doing what they can. But being dumped at MHT is like being dumped in Pyramid Lake, Nevada (near where I just was last week flying UAVs with cool instruments attached): Nothing around for miles. And certainly no way to get people from there to other destinations like B6 could.

The only things MHT can offer are the 'low fees' spoken about in the article, long instrumented runways, a nice terminal, and a place that would be much less of a 'shoehorn' situation than BOS would be whenever this comes to fruition.

[Edited 2015-10-07 08:43:00]
 
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:10 pm

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 10):
It will probably be bucked in way that will only allow 1-4 per flight on non peak days only.

What's wrong with that? Great marketing campaign IMO.

Small problem.. discussing future air pricing campaigns is illegal, right?

Quoting airzona11 (Reply 18):
This is great for the flying public. The status quo needs to be pushed to innovate and adapt. With the ATI across the 3 alliances, it is essentially all the same across the Atlantic for the majority of the flying public (not business class passengers but the majority of passengers, seated in economy).

The idea of more point to point is enticing as well.

Well said!
 
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:18 pm

Quoting DC10LOVER (Reply 6):
Doubt $69 is "profitable".

Not profitable. But Norwegian will benefit from the publicity and the public will benefit from some cheap airfares.

$69 will be mutually beneficial.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:04 pm

Quoting marktci (Reply 21):
69 will be mutually beneficial.

It is meant to be.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:44 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 20):
What's wrong with that? Great marketing campaign IMO.

Nothing is wrong with it. I'm just pointing out that most passengers won't be offered this fare.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:51 pm

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 19):
The only things MHT can offer are the 'low fees' spoken about in the article, long instrumented runways, a nice terminal, and a place that would be much less of a 'shoehorn' situation than BOS would be whenever this comes to fruition.

I like the idea of MHT, I think there's a lot of potential, seasonally for TATL flights to Europe. For the right price MHT would draw not only from NH, but Northern MA and Vermont.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:06 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 24):
I like the idea of MHT, I think there's a lot of potential, seasonally for TATL flights to Europe. For the right price MHT would draw not only from NH, but Northern MA and Vermont.

Not only that, but MHT wouldn't be saying to Norwegian, "We can give you a gate during this 20-minute window but not that one; you can use this gate for that flight but only that gate for this flight," and so on. Massport is a landlord that doesn't have to bargain, whereas MHT is just begging for...anything. Problem with MHT, though, is you're stuck there. No onward connecting feed to anyplace once you land from Killkenny Castle or wherever these 737s are gonna launch at.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:35 pm

Quoting Curiousflyer (Reply 22):

I see what you did there, clever  
 
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:41 pm

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 25):
Problem with MHT, though, is you're stuck there. No onward connecting feed to anyplace once you land from Killkenny Castle or wherever these 737s are gonna launch at.

I don't see that as being a huge problem. From the U.S. side any potential customer, and there are lots of them would be fine driving to the airport. Incoming visitors would rent a car like they do at just about any other destination they go to. FR has done its part in education European LCC passengers on how to rent a car at the destination LOL.
Thousands upon thousands of European visitors arrive at places like Orlando, Miami, Los Angeles and have no other choice but to rent a car. MHT wouldn't be any different.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:09 pm

There is very adequate bus service from MHT to Boston ($18), as well as a few buses a day to VT and Montreal. Short drive to Portland, ME and not a bad trip to much of central MA. If one is heading to New England, MHT is actually a pretty decent option. If you need to connect onward, not so much.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:01 pm

Correct me if I am wrong here...don't airlines have to advertise the full fare including fuel surcharge, other fees, etc.? I thought you couldn't advertise the pre-fee fare in the US anymore.
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:57 pm

Quoting tistpaa727 (Reply 29):
Correct me if I am wrong here...don't airlines have to advertise the full fare including fuel surcharge, other fees, etc.? I thought you couldn't advertise the pre-fee fare in the US anymore.

This is correct, but it's not like Norwegian has ever really cared for DOT rules...
 
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:16 pm

Quoting tistpaa727 (Reply 29):
Quoting OB1504 (Reply 30):

They do if you wish to fly across the Atlantic with no food,no reserved seats,only 8KG of carry-on luggage .
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:34 am

Quoting tistpaa727 (Reply 29):
other fees

Surely not optional charges, e.g. baggage, food/drink, etc.
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:53 am

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 19):

I think I'd rather be 'dumped' at PVD when they get their runway extension done.
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:02 am

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 33):
I think I'd rather be 'dumped' at PVD when they get their runway extension done.

If the rumors are true you will get a chance to be dumped at ISP in 2016  
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:35 pm

Quoting kelvin933 (Reply 34):

I think your mixing up the rumors between DY and WW(which is rumored to serve ISP and not DY).
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RE: Norwegian Air CEO Says $69 Flights U.S. To Europe

Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:37 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 24):

Boston North!

If MBTA commuter line can extend to MHT it's golden.

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