trent1000
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Chinese Tourists To Become No. 1 In Australia

Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:05 pm

According to a brief news report:
By next year, the number of Chinese tourists to Australia is set to surpass the number from New Zealand, to become the "top" tourist group.

If so, why does BR only fly to BNE and only twice a week? (utilising A332)

Are arrivals from Taiwan considered "Chinese" for statistical purposes?
 
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RE: Chinese Tourists To Become No. 1 In Australia

Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:30 pm

I think this refers purely to Mainland China.

As for Taiwan, it is CI that seemingly is expanding into Australia more, especially after it announced MEL services.

The growth in aviation links between China and Australia has been huge in recent years. Let's hope it's not another situation like Japan to Australia experienced in the 90s, with a boom and then bust. It's starting to grow again but seemed that many had their fix and didn't really seem in a hurry to return.

I guess China is a much bigger market and it seems that the business links have also likely been more pervasive than Japan developed back in their boom period. Let's hope that boosts the market and makes this sustainable.
 
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RE: Chinese Tourists To Become No. 1 In Australia

Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:39 pm

Quoting trent1000 (Thread starter):
Are arrivals from Taiwan considered "Chinese" for statistical purposes?

It probably only considers Mainland China and SARs (HK and Macau).

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RE: Chinese Tourists To Become No. 1 In Australia

Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:48 pm

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 1):
The growth in aviation links between China and Australia has been huge in recent years. Let's hope it's not another situation like Japan to Australia experienced in the 90s, with a boom and then bust. It's starting to grow again but seemed that many had their fix and didn't really seem in a hurry to return.

I guess China is a much bigger market and it seems that the business links have also likely been more pervasive than Japan developed back in their boom period. Let's hope that boosts the market and makes this sustainable.

I think it will pan out somewhat differently to Japan. For starters China has a much larger population and one that is not yet declining (though there are demographic challenges related to ageing). Japan also experienced a lot of deflation. The combination of low wages and limited leave makes it difficult for the younger generation to travel to Australia, having missed out on the boom.

Also more Chinese are coming to Australia for education and investment reasons. Why they are parking their money here maybe for *ahem* different reasons to the Japanese during their big investment activity (though Japanese corporate acquisitions seems to be increasing again in Australia). Much higher migration of Chinese to Australia (over 150 years worth) means that there is likely to be more repeat travel between the countries, especially for family reasons.
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RE: Chinese Tourists To Become No. 1 In Australia

Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:00 pm

^^ All solid points there.
 
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RE: Chinese Tourists To Become No. 1 In Australia

Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:25 pm

Does this mean we might see QF send their A380s to Beijing or Shanghai?
 
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RE: Chinese Tourists To Become No. 1 In Australia

Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:44 pm

Quoting coal (Reply 2):
It probably only considers Mainland China and SARs (HK and Macau).

Usually Mainland China, HK, Macao, and Taiwan are all classified separately unless one use broad terms like "Greater China".

By default, in the international context, "Chinese" most likely refers to mainland China only, excluding SARs, and most likely referring to the nationality not the ethnicity.

However, in the US domestic context, frequently domestic-oriented articles use a broad term of "Chinese" to include all types of Asian-Americans that have some heritage to the Chinese culture.
 
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RE: Chinese Tourists To Become No. 1 In Australia

Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:06 pm

Usually China means Mainland China.

Chinese pax cannot transit in TPE without applying for a permit due to regulations so BR don't have the transit traffic like carriers such as CX or KE.
 
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RE: Chinese Tourists To Become No. 1 In Australia

Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:57 pm

Quoting VCy (Reply 5):

QF doesn't even fly to PEK let alone send A380z
 
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RE: Chinese Tourists To Become No. 1 In Australia

Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:43 pm

I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet, as Australia is very dependent on the Chinese to their real estate and coal. The Gold Coast without Chinese investors is like a day without sunshine.
 
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RE: Chinese Tourists To Become No. 1 In Australia

Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:01 pm

Quoting thekorean (Reply 8):
QF doesn't even fly to PEK let alone send A380z

Then I would suggest it's high time they did start a PEK service. Seems crazy to me they don't want to take advantage of an obvious boom in Chinese visitor numbers.
Can't ever imagine Dubai identifying some country sending high numbers of visitors there then EK not serving that place.
 
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RE: Chinese Tourists To Become No. 1 In Australia

Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:54 am

Congratulations Australia! Well deserved  
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RE: Chinese Tourists To Become No. 1 In Australia

Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:12 am

Quoting thekorean (Reply 8):
QF doesn't even fly to PEK let alone send A380z
Quoting TC957 (Reply 10):
Then I would suggest it's high time they did start a PEK service. Seems crazy to me they don't want to take advantage of an obvious boom in Chinese visitor numbers.
Can't ever imagine Dubai identifying some country sending high numbers of visitors there then EK not serving that place.

QF did fly SYD-PEK with A330s but it was not successful enough to maintain. Chinese carriers can do it cheaper with far more travel agent support in China. I suspect that the average Mainland Chinese passengers' demands are different to the average Qantas passengers' too.

Australians can fly Qantas to China via PVG or HKG. Qantas has also announced cooperation with China Eastern and China Southern, in addition to OneWorld connections on Cathay Pacific and DragonAir. Without checking the stats I would say more Australian business is concentrated in the more southern regions of China away from PEK, even if a lot of coal heads north.
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RE: Chinese Tourists To Become No. 1 In Australia

Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:43 am

Quoting allrite (Reply 12):
QF did fly SYD-PEK with A330s but it was not successful enough to maintain. Chinese carriers can do it cheaper with far more travel agent support in China. I suspect that the average Mainland Chinese passengers' demands are different to the average Qantas passengers' too.

Australians can fly Qantas to China via PVG or HKG. Qantas has also announced cooperation with China Eastern and China Southern, in addition to OneWorld connections on Cathay Pacific and DragonAir. Without checking the stats I would say more Australian business is concentrated in the more southern regions of China away from PEK, even if a lot of coal heads north.

I agree with this. I think a lot more corporate customers are flying on the QF codeshares on MU and CZ even though the fares are cheaper on Chinese carriers, they still want their points and status.

I don't think QF will return to PEK since they codeshare with MU and increasing their co-operation with them. As mentioned above, they have their virtual network with codeshares as well as flying via HKG and using CX/KA and PVG and using MU or CAN and using CZ.
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RE: Chinese Tourists To Become No. 1 In Australia

Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:31 am

Quoting a380787 (Reply 6):
Usually Mainland China, HK, Macao, and Taiwan are all classified separately unless one use broad terms like "Greater China".

Usually, yes, but although there a lot of Mainland China tourists coming, there are a lot of visitors from Hong Kong who have connections to Sydney.

Quoting toxtethogrady (Reply 9):
and coal

You missed the biggest one being iron ore.

But either way, the metals and coal boom is over. Now it's all about beef.

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Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:18 pm

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