United 777s Disappearing At SFO
With United's announcement of the new SFO - Xian, Tel Aviv and Auckland services (all operated by 787s) this is a strong re-enforcement that SFO is becoming UA's main 787 base and the almost disappearance of the UA 777 at SFO. Just a few weeks ago UA announced that TPE, ICN, HND and SYD will be gradually transitioned to the 789. This will leave LHR, HNL and a few hub-to-hub flights as the only 777s out of SFO. An interesting strategy indeed. My question is where will these 3 class 777s be redeployed? Net wide-body fleet will increase in size with the arrival of more 789s and 77Ws. Unless they will accelerate the retirement of the 744s, there is room for growth.
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RE: United 777s Disappearing At SFO
At first by disappearing I thought you meant that someone was stealing them and UA personnel could not find the hidden 777s! 
But really, the answer is...a combination of domestic conversions and TATL replacements for 767s, which will in turn replace 757s, which will in turn move to domestic and regional.
But really, the answer is...a combination of domestic conversions and TATL replacements for 767s, which will in turn replace 757s, which will in turn move to domestic and regional.
RE: United 777s Disappearing At SFO
| Quoting 777-500er (Thread starter): An interesting strategy indeed. My question is where will these 3 class 777s be redeployed? Net wide-body fleet will increase in size with the arrival of more 789s and 77Ws |
This is deliberate. 747s and 787s are being positioned primarily on the West Coast, while 767s/777s are going to be mostly IAH/ORD/EWR/IAD. 10 three-cabin 77A will be reconfigured into a high-density layout, and 10 77W will be arriving starting at the end of next year.
RE: United 777s Disappearing At SFO
Holy sh...! I am not a native speaker, so I really got scared when reading the thread-title...
RE: United 777s Disappearing At SFO
It kind of makes sense though.
United 787-9s have 48 premium seats and 204 economy seats. United three-cabin 777s have 48 premium seats and 218 economy seats. So basically interchangeable in terms of seat counts.
So do you base 787-8s, 777-200s, and 747-400s at SFO (maintain three fleets) or 787-8/9s and 747-400s at SFO (maintain two fleets)? Both accomplish the same mission. One does it cheaper, simpler.
United 787-9s have 48 premium seats and 204 economy seats. United three-cabin 777s have 48 premium seats and 218 economy seats. So basically interchangeable in terms of seat counts.
So do you base 787-8s, 777-200s, and 747-400s at SFO (maintain three fleets) or 787-8/9s and 747-400s at SFO (maintain two fleets)? Both accomplish the same mission. One does it cheaper, simpler.
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RE: United 777s Disappearing At SFO
| Quoting adamblang (Reply 5): It kind of makes sense though. United 787-9s have 48 premium seats and 204 economy seats. United three-cabin 777s have 48 premium seats and 218 economy seats. So basically interchangeable in terms of seat counts |
The seat count is the same but product isn't. No F on the 787, and I'll have all of a.net raining down on me in fury, but the ex-CO C seat doesn't compare to the United First seat.
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RE: United 777s Disappearing At SFO
| Quoting UA444 (Reply 6): The seat count is the same but product isn't. No F on the 787, and I'll have all of a.net raining down on me in fury, but the ex-CO C seat doesn't compare to the United First seat. |
Which is mostly given to non-revs.
Meanwhile, for the other 40J seat, a 2-2-2 arrangement is far more desirable than the 2-4-2 of PMUA 77E.
So unless you're an actual paid GF customer, this new config is far superior for 83% of the premium seats.
RE: United 777s Disappearing At SFO
| Quoting a380787 (Reply 8): Which is mostly given to non-revs. Meanwhile, for the other 40J seat, a 2-2-2 arrangement is far more desirable than the 2-4-2 of PMUA 77E. So unless you're an actual paid GF customer, this new config is far superior for 83% of the premium seats. |
Exactly. And who would actually pay for a paid GF seat? It's a joke. Oh, but you do get 3 ounce of soup with dinner!
I upgrade all of the time to GF, but I would never pay for it.
*Long live the Widget*
RE: United 777s Disappearing At SFO
I believe CDG goes 777 out of SFO by next summer.
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RE: United 777s Disappearing At SFO
SFO-CDG still showing 767 next summer.
RE: United 777s Disappearing At SFO
Yes as announced the 787 will be primarily a West Coast based aircraft
United Shifts Bulk Of 787 Flying To West Coast (by LAXintl Aug 26 2015 in Civil Aviation)
As result 777 crewing both in LAX and SFO will be downward adjustments and possibly in the case of LAX even base closure.
More details will be announced in the coming month by the company once they work out long term analysis..
United Shifts Bulk Of 787 Flying To West Coast (by LAXintl Aug 26 2015 in Civil Aviation)
As result 777 crewing both in LAX and SFO will be downward adjustments and possibly in the case of LAX even base closure.
More details will be announced in the coming month by the company once they work out long term analysis..
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RE: United 777s Disappearing At SFO
I thought the rumor was that the 787 would also be the primary wide body aircraft out of Houston?
RE: United 777s Disappearing At SFO
| Quoting N505fx (Reply 13): Thats subjective, I prefer the pmUA seats to the coffins and the pmUA service to the post merger cabin service. |
But would you prefer pmUA service with the sCO seats, if that were possible? Service is much more adaptable than seats, and I am remaining optimistic about Munoz. If he wants to send a strong message that he means business, he will devote a good part of his energy to ratifying a deal with the FA's, which in turn could improve service.
RE: United 777s Disappearing At SFO
What routes will the re-configured 777s be placed on? EWR-LAX/SFO will be all premium/TATL 757s. SFO-IAD/ORD maybe? Still there will be capacity spared and some room for more growth. Should we expect new route launches to Europe?
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RE: United 777s Disappearing At SFO
| Quoting 777222LR (Reply 14): I thought the rumor was that the 787 would also be the primary wide body aircraft out of Houston? |
I wasn't a rumor the original plan was going to base most of the 789's at IAH and move the 763's and 772ER's out to other hubs. However that all changed a few months ago when UA announced both LAX/SFO-SYD were going 789's along with if I'm not mistaken LAX-LHR, as well as SFO-HND/ICN/TPE. These changes are to accommodate the upcoming 77A's retrofit and conversion from international service to domestic. As the 77A's are converted IAD, EWR and ORD will need replace aircraft, the 763's and the few sCO 772ER's UA was going to move out of IAH could not provide enough capacity to cover the existing routes already being flown on the 77A's especially the routes that would have transitioned to the 763 and since the 789's are not needed to cover routes out of IAD, EWR, or ORD at this time the only choice UA had was to move 772ER's from the West Coast to cover international flights out of the East Coast and ORD and replace the West Coast 777 flights with 789's. And as far as seating capacity UA's 3 class 777's have the same number of premium seats as the 789's although the 789's have 12 less seats in coach than the the 3 class 777.
RE: United 777s Disappearing At SFO
The 789s will be entirely flying routes from the West Coast next summer.
SFO-TLV
SFO-TPE
SFO-SYD
LAX-LHR
LAX-NRT
LAX-PVG
LAX-SYD
LAX-MEL
Also, SFO-AKL will go to the 789 next fall. I believe SFO-ICN on the 789 was just going to be for a few months in the fall rather than a permanent shift, and I don't remember SFO-HND being announced on the 789... When was that announced?
While the 789s will be out West, I believe the bulk of the 788 flying will still be at IAH with the exception of SFO-KIX, SFO-XIY/CTU (both less than daily), and SFO-AKL for a few months (also less than daily). The other 788 routes for next summer as of now:
IAH-DEN
IAH-SFO (not currently loaded, but likely to facilitate aircraft rotation)
IAH-GRU
IAH-LOS
IAH-LHR (x2)
IAH-FRA
DEN-NRT
So SFO will see probably 3-4 daily departures on the 788 while IAH will see ~7.
I imagine both SFO and LAX will see a fair amount of domestic 777s to ORD, IAD, and possibly some more upgauging of Hawaii routes. Hopefully DEN will see at least one or two flights as well.
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SFO-TLV
SFO-TPE
SFO-SYD
LAX-LHR
LAX-NRT
LAX-PVG
LAX-SYD
LAX-MEL
Also, SFO-AKL will go to the 789 next fall. I believe SFO-ICN on the 789 was just going to be for a few months in the fall rather than a permanent shift, and I don't remember SFO-HND being announced on the 789... When was that announced?
| Quoting 777222LR (Reply 14): I thought the rumor was that the 787 would also be the primary wide body aircraft out of Houston? |
While the 789s will be out West, I believe the bulk of the 788 flying will still be at IAH with the exception of SFO-KIX, SFO-XIY/CTU (both less than daily), and SFO-AKL for a few months (also less than daily). The other 788 routes for next summer as of now:
IAH-DEN
IAH-SFO (not currently loaded, but likely to facilitate aircraft rotation)
IAH-GRU
IAH-LOS
IAH-LHR (x2)
IAH-FRA
DEN-NRT
So SFO will see probably 3-4 daily departures on the 788 while IAH will see ~7.
| Quoting 777-500er (Reply 16): What routes will the re-configured 777s be placed on? |
I imagine both SFO and LAX will see a fair amount of domestic 777s to ORD, IAD, and possibly some more upgauging of Hawaii routes. Hopefully DEN will see at least one or two flights as well.
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