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AA Turns VCP Into Seasonal Destination

Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:40 pm

American Airlines announced that will turn its year-round MIA-VCP service into seasonal. The current daily flight will operate until 11FEB16 returning later in the year.

The airline did not specify when the flight would return.

Source (in Portuguese): http://www.panrotas.com.br/noticia-t...-somente-na-alta_119702.html?lista

It's the second blow of AA's Brazilian network. Earlier this week, the airline announced that will stop flying to the Southern city of Curitiba from February 2016 as well.

[Edited 2015-10-08 13:58:39]
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RE: AA Turns VCP Into Seasonal Destination

Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:44 pm

Third blow .... JFK-VCP was yanked back in Mar'15 very shortly after launch.
 
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RE: AA Turns VCP Into Seasonal Destination

Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:05 pm

The ONLY reason AA flies into VCP is to mess with Azul, a purely predatory move.

Exactly the same as when they flew to Stansted for only for a short while, to put
MaxJet out of business, then they quit that route right away.

This time it may not work that easily, as Americans don't want to fly into
VCP, and Azul has a large Brazilian network connecting at VCP, and Brazilians prefer
Azul anyway.

And - the miserable Brazilian economy is not helping.

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RE: AA Turns VCP Into Seasonal Destination

Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:17 pm

Please, give me a break. "Compete in a fair way". They offer a better network, same or lower fares, and maybe some extra AAdvantage miles.
So when Azul or whom ever comes in and tries to steal market share, the incumbents are supposed to do what? Nothing, roll out the red carpet, just leave. When McDonald's rolls out a new sandwich or promo and Burger King matches or betters, is it unfair? No! The only whining comes from the newbies execs. The public benefits and the corporation defends what it has worked to build.
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RE: AA Turns VCP Into Seasonal Destination

Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:22 pm

How exactly is this a "blow" to AA's extensive Brazilian network? Between AA and LATAM, Brazil is covered whether non-stop from the U.S. or via GRU/GIG. As evident below:

Brasil = AA/LATAM Territory; monopoly if you ask me.

AA 17FEB16 = Hub Breakdown

MIA Brazil 17FEB16 = 15 flights = AA 9 flights / LATAM 8 flights

4x MIA-GRU (2x AA 77W, 2x LATAM 77W)
2x MIA-GIG (1x AA 772, 1x LATAM 763)
1x MIA-REC (1x 752)
1x MIA-SSA (1x 752)
1x MIA-FOR (1x LATAM 763)
2x MIA-MAO (1x AA 319, 1x LATAM 763)
1x MIA-POA (1x 763)
1x MIA-BEL (1x LATAM 763)
2x MIA-CNF (1x AA 763, 1x LATAM 763)
2x MIA-BSB (1x AA 752, 1x LATAM 763)

LAX Brazil 17FEB16 = 1 flights = AA 1 flights / LATAM 0 flights

1x LAX-GRU (788)

DFW Brazil 17FEB16 = 1 flights = AA 1 flights / LATAM 0 flights

1x DFW-GRU (77W)

JFK Brazil 17FEB16 = 3 flights = AA 2 flights / LATAM 3 flights

3x JFK-GRU (1x AA 77W, 2x LATAM 763)
2x JFK-GIG (1x AA 772, 1x LATAM 763)


TOTAL AA/LATAM Flights to/from Brazil to the U.S. - 17FEB16 = 20 Flights (AA 13x, LATAM 11x)

Clearly AA is still quite the contender and market leader along with OneWorld partner LATAM. Even without those two destinations, Brazil coverage is quite impressive; specially out of MIA.
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RE: AA Turns VCP Into Seasonal Destination

Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:32 pm

Quoting miaskies (Reply 4):

Why are you counting LATAM flights? They don't have any JV/JBA/ATI whatsoever, so it makes no sense to include them.
 
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RE: AA Turns VCP Into Seasonal Destination

Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:37 pm

Boy o boy, the Brasil economy and traffic must really be in the dumps.

Quoting Skisandy (Reply 2):

The ONLY reason AA flies into VCP is to mess with Azul, a purely predatory move.

In fairness VCP serves its own large market and is a secondary airport for greater Sao Paulo. I know several companies based in Campinas area which made use of the flights and saved lots of time versus GRU.
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RE: AA Turns VCP Into Seasonal Destination

Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:31 pm

Shame. I have long liked VCP as an alternative to access greater Sao Paulo.

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 6):
Boy o boy, the Brasil economy and traffic must really be in the dumps.

Yes its so in the dumps, a colleague purchased a LAX-GRU biz class via AA/JJ for mere $2200 which according to his travel department in the past was in the $6000-8000 range!
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RE: AA Turns VCP Into Seasonal Destination

Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:33 pm

Hi gen2stew:

"Steal Market share"? What's that? Is market share a property of American Airlines?
I always thought that in a free country the passenger is allowed to chose which carrier to fly on.

Oh - and AA's market share to VCP was exactly what, before Azul started it's flights?

Yes - exactly ZERO!

So - it's actually AA that is trying to steal market share from Azul. And- trying to run them out of business,
and the moment they have accomplished that - will withdraw from the market.

Why are you (or no-one else) commenting about the AA Stansted flights to run MaxJet out of business, and then,
suddenly, when there was less competition, AA decided to pull out of the market also.

That is completely predatory, and - while it may be legal - is NOT AT ALL for the benefit of the traveling public,
but rather the opposite.
 
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RE: AA Turns VCP Into Seasonal Destination

Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:32 am

All of the cases you mentioned are secondary airports to huge metro areas and the upstarts either couldn't get slots or afford the primary airports. The carrier that is dominant and has expended great resources to grow and maintain the route should be able to use all of the tools in its arsenal to protect its investment. They are in the business of making money. The majors have leaned a great deal about ignoring new entrants and/or underestimating them.
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RE: AA Turns VCP Into Seasonal Destination

Fri Oct 09, 2015 2:54 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):
Yes its so in the dumps, a colleague purchased a LAX-GRU biz class via AA/JJ for mere $2200 which according to his travel department in the past was in the $6000-8000 range!


I myself am flying GRU-LAX/LAX-JFK(stop over only)-GRU in January and it cost me under $1,800 in J at then exchange rates. Would be even less now. And not the first time it has happened. Back in July I flew GRU-JFK-LAX/SFO-DFW-GRU, again in J, for around two grand at then exchange rates. And both were not the BUGS that happened on aa.com, those were genuine fares.

Weird though that flights from my home airport (CNF), which should be lower yielding, were quite a bit higher for similar destinations. Welcome competition!
 
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RE: AA Turns VCP Into Seasonal Destination

Fri Oct 09, 2015 2:39 pm

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 10):
and it cost me under $1,800

I'll have to tell him he got a bad deal with $2,200   
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RE: AA Turns VCP Into Seasonal Destination

Fri Oct 09, 2015 3:41 pm

Does this mean that the flight to/from VCP will move back to GRU?
 
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RE: AA Turns VCP Into Seasonal Destination

Fri Oct 09, 2015 3:58 pm

GRU traffic is a mess. I would have thought since Campinas has lot of companies, AA is doing good in VCP.
 
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RE: AA Turns VCP Into Seasonal Destination

Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:12 pm

Quoting Skisandy (Reply 8):
So - it's actually AA that is trying to steal market share from Azul. And- trying to run them out of business,
and the moment they have accomplished that - will withdraw from the market.

That is an interesting thought. I have a question. As VCP grows to 10 mil pax per year, then 20, 30 and so on, and Azul expands to multiple long-haul destinations, when is it that is Ok for foreign airlines to fly there?

As for stealing traffic, if AA with TAM was flying traffic FLN-GRU-MIA that now AD is flying FLN-VCP-FLL, is that stealing too? Or is that competing? Is there a difference between stealing and competing?
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RE: AA Turns VCP Into Seasonal Destination

Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:29 pm

I am not the one who first used the words "stealing" market share. Rather - I was reacting to another
member using that -in my opinion- inappropriate phrase.
 
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RE: AA Turns VCP Into Seasonal Destination

Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:26 pm

Quoting dfwjim1 (Reply 12):
Does this mean that the flight to/from VCP will move back to GRU?

I doubt it, with the current poor performance of the Brazilian economy. AA already flies MIA-GRU 3x daily with 77W equipment.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see at least one of the 77Ws pulled off.
 
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RE: AA Turns VCP Into Seasonal Destination

Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:00 pm

And to think at one time that VCP was the airport that all international airlines used until GRU was opened unless, like PA, set up a venture with VASP in order to use CGH to GIG before flying back to the USA. I flew out of VCP in August of 1970. It was a very quiet place at 8AM on a Saturday morning.
 
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RE: AA Turns VCP Into Seasonal Destination

Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:30 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 5):
Why are you counting LATAM flights? They don't have any JV/JBA/ATI whatsoever, so it makes no sense to include them.

  


Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
I'll have to tell him he got a bad deal with $2,200

Indeed.

Tell him if he has time to position in Canada, that he can beat that quite readily.
Going to GIG next month; while trying to schedule/book over the past few weeks, I've regularly been seeing YVR/GRU/GIG fares in paid J, for under $2,000 USD. UA/AC/DL 1stop, CM 2stop

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RE: AA Turns VCP Into Seasonal Destination

Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:28 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 18):
CM 2stop

Why bother with CM and their crappy, crappy hard product in J?

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