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RE: Ideas For Filling Holes In AA's Network...

Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:29 pm

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 49):
LAX-KUL- No one flies the route and while it's not high yield, it is hub to hub and a 787 might be the right sized supply.

Too long. LAX-KUL is longer than LAX-SIN. You can't operate that route without using a potentially restricted 77L.

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 49):
MIA-JNB- I think AA would have a great potential on this route. At 8,061mi could this be done on a Boeing 787-9?

No, it can't without a tech stop. The only plane that can do JNB-US non-stop is the 77L, with the special tires.

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 49):
What about LAX-HAN or LAX-SGN?

Too long and thin, especially on premium demand.

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 49):
Does VN fly to the USA?

No.

Quoting winginit (Reply 46):
Quoting DC10LOVER (Reply 44):
EUG (Eugene, Or) to PHX using a CRJ 900 (maybe) Non - stop of course.

Even though they serve it from LAX?

Well, PHX does allow passengers to move a little bit further east.

Quoting VAM8789 (Reply 41):
BOS-SAN is smaller than BOS-SFO.

Not to mention AA has moved closer and closer to AS and can let them handle that traffic.
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:43 pm

Hmmm,

AA 787 or 763 service a few times weekly from STL-LHR??? STL is the largest US economy, metro, and airport without Trans-Atlantic service.

LAX-SEA; I get the whole AS agreement but I'd like AA to have maybe two or three RTs there as well.
MIA-DXB
LAX-BIL or PHX-BIL


Other than that [and Asia] AA's got a pretty nice route network.

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Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:53 pm

Quoting Max752 (Reply 51):
AA 787 or 763 service a few times weekly from STL-LHR??? STL is the largest US economy, metro, and airport without Trans-Atlantic service.

Except that 1) STL isn't a hub anymore and 2) STL isn't the unserved market with the most demand. MSY is.
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:57 pm

I would LOVE to see AA fly into somewhere in Montana, BIL, BZN, anywhere really. Its a vast hole in the network. It would be cute if American figured out how to fly to all 50 states year round.

With that said, Please make Anchorage year round.
 
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:14 pm

Quoting winginit (Reply 46):
Even though they serve it from LAX?

US served it 2-3x daily with CR2/9 up until '08. Wouldn't be surprised if they added it back as it provides a few more eastward connecting opportunities than LAX.
 
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:18 pm

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 53):
It would be cute if American figured out how to fly to all 50 states year round.

That's a bit problematic, seeing that no one could figure out how to fly to Delaware, not even Allegiant or Frontier.
 
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:46 pm

Yep, homerism at it's finest, but I would love to see:

XNA-MIA (existed previously)
XNA-PHX (won't happen due to DFW and LAX service and flows)
XNA-PHL (this one might have a shot for connections to Europe)
 
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:30 pm

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 53):
I would LOVE to see AA fly into somewhere in Montana, BIL, BZN, anywhere really. Its a vast hole in the network. It would be cute if American figured out how to fly to all 50 states year round.

BIL and BZN will happen sooner than later. BIL from DFW and possibly ORD and BZN from LAX.
 
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:43 pm

Quoting DeltaXNA (Reply 34):
CLT
CLT-SNA
CLT-TUS

I believe that US had the slots for SNA-CLT and was planning on operating that with a 757 but then something fell through. CLT-TUS has been flown before and lasted about six months.
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:44 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 57):
BIL and BZN will happen sooner than later. BIL from DFW and possibly ORD and BZN from LAX.

I was shocked to find no AA service to this area when we flew here over the Summer for a Yellowstone visit. With F9 out of the market, these cities are definitely wanting for additional service at least on a seasonal basis. DL and UA were charging astronomical prices of around 800 dollars round trip from either airport. We actually contemplated just flying into SLC or DEN and driving up, but that would have shortened the time in the park substantially. Definitely a glaring hole in the network.
 
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:48 pm

DFW-BNE
DFW-AKL-MEL
LAX-AKL

Would be great   

[Edited 2015-10-09 16:49:18]
 
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:14 am

CLD-PHX-DFW on E-175's would be nice..
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:29 am

AA could strike a hard blow to UA and DL at FAT with even just 1 daily ORD flight.

With service to 3 hubs and a serious focus city (LAX), they could command a significant share of the Fresno market.


I don't think an E-175 has the legs for a FAT-ORD unless it is an ER version. IMHO, it would be the perfect plane to develop that market.
 
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:54 am

MIA-BON
MIA-BQN
MIA-PSE
MIA-MHT

BOS-SFO
BOS-AUA

PHL-SJO/LIR was SJO ever served???
PHL-BQN
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:17 am

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 62):
AA could strike a hard blow to UA and DL at FAT with even just 1 daily ORD flight.

With service to 3 hubs and a serious focus city (LAX), they could command a significant share of the Fresno market.

I don't think an E-175 has the legs for a FAT-ORD unless it is an ER version. IMHO, it would be the perfect plane to develop that market.

Fresno MSA and Riverside/San Bernardino/Ontario MSA are the 2 largest metro areas in the US without nonstop service to ORD on any airline (AA or UA or someone else).

Riverside/San Bernardino/Ontario MSA has nearby nonstop ORD service at both LAX and SNA. But Fresno MSA is 150 miles from the nearest ORD nonstop service.

My request would be for FAT-ORD also.

[Edited 2015-10-09 18:18:30]
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:34 am

Quoting DeltaXNA (Reply 19):
LAX-CVG---more likely than PHX-CVG I think, but still the same reason as PHX-CVG

You know I've always been on the fence there...LAX is probably the stronger market, but OTOH DL is also pretty strong on both ends of CVG-LAX, whereas AA would be leveraging only one end of the route. Point being, while PHX might be less desirable over the course of a year (PHX being at least somewhat seasonal on an O&D basis), they'd probably get less of a fight from DL.
 
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:36 am

WN and B6 both sticking it out on PVD-FLL (and year-round) might depress the interest for AA to consider PVD-MIA. There are days where it's possible to get $90 fares on either WN or B6. Maybe AA would have to make it up on international connections.

PVD-ORD might be a better opportunity, as UA tends to price high on that route, and AA could sell more domestic connections. AA might add more domestic routes under 1000 miles than longer, and mainly in the East, ORD would be the closest.

I also think:
CLE-DCA (one of the short haul business markets that AA lacks from DCA).
RDU-BOS (connecting two important focus cities)
CLT-HOU (just as AA run by the old US can be aggressive against perceived interlopers at CLT. AA already is in HOU through it's DFW service.

[Edited 2015-10-09 18:42:03]
 
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:41 am

Quoting a380787 (Reply 55):
That's a bit problematic, seeing that no one could figure out how to fly to Delaware, not even Allegiant or Frontier.

And I think just about everyone has tried except AA.
 
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:43 am

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 67):
And I think just about everyone has tried except AA.

It does cover PHL the most, and exclusively at SBY and these airports are near the borders of DE, so it best serves that state without serving an airport in the state.
 
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:17 am

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 62):

I don't think an E-175 has the legs for a FAT-ORD unless it is an ER version. IMHO, it would be the perfect plane to develop that market.

Probably best served with an A319
 
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:17 am

A return to AUS-SEA(yes, AS is there, but there just isn't enough between the two cities....

PHX-MIA-SDQ during baseball spring training.
LIT-JFK(or PHL)
ORD-BUD

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 64):
My request would be for FAT-ORD also.

I like this one, too.

Quoting Max752 (Reply 51):
AA 787 or 763 service a few times weekly from STL-LHR??? STL is the largest US economy, metro, and airport without Trans-Atlantic service.
Quoting N1120A (Reply 52):
Except that 1) STL isn't a hub anymore

Neither is PIT, yet DL manages to have a PIT-CDG. ........as for STL, I can see some kind of Europe trip 2-3x/week for the local market. But I suspect local demand to France/Germany more so than the UK. Perhaps STL-MUC to connect into partner AB, who has a hub there?
 
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RE: Ideas For Filling Holes In AA's Network...

Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:26 am

Quoting Freshside3 (Reply 70):
Quoting Max752 (Reply 51):
AA 787 or 763 service a few times weekly from STL-LHR??? STL is the largest US economy, metro, and airport without Trans-Atlantic service.
Quoting N1120A (Reply 52):
Except that 1) STL isn't a hub anymore

Neither is PIT, yet DL manages to have a PIT-CDG. ........as for STL, I can see some kind of Europe trip 2-3x/week for the local market. But I suspect local demand to France/Germany more so than the UK. Perhaps STL-MUC to connect into partner AB, who has a hub there?

If Monsanto, Mallinckrodt, Boeing, AmBev can't/won't pony up the bux for a revenue guarantee, then TATL from tha STL is dead in the water.
 
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:27 am

Is a return to India possible? What about destinations in Africa?
 
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:30 am

MIA-GEO,
MIA-PBM-CAY-MIA
MIA-LIS
MIA-ZRH
MIA-ARN
MIA-YHZ
MIA-CIX
MIA-AZS
MIA-TAB
MIA-CTG or PEI
ORD-BTV
ORD-MHT
ORD-PUJ
LHR-BDL
LHR-PHX
Restart JFK-BGI, SDQ, STI
JFK-POS
JFK-GEO
JFK-MEX
DFW-TPE
 
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:46 am

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 58):
I believe that US had the slots for SNA-CLT and was planning on operating that with a 757 but then something fell through.

How long ago and what happened?

AA once served SNA-JFK nonstop.
 
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:13 am

For all of us MIA lovers, let´s not forget MIA is a bit of a foreign airport/destination for most of middle America (they´d rather fly to FLL or PBI), so IMHO anywhere w/o a strong international connection potential is out of the picture for MIA
 
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:16 am

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 75):
For all of us MIA lovers, let´s not forget MIA is a bit of a foreign airport/destination for most of middle America (they´d rather fly to FLL or PBI), so IMHO anywhere w/o a strong international connection potential is out of the picture for MIA

LOL. What?!
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:25 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 76):

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 75):
For all of us MIA lovers, let´s not forget MIA is a bit of a foreign airport/destination for most of middle America (they´d rather fly to FLL or PBI), so IMHO anywhere w/o a strong international connection potential is out of the picture for MIA

LOL. What?!

Well...There is a semi-valid point in there. Miami's too expensive and urban to be a vacation destination for the average middle American family. FLL, RSW, etc. are obviously more popular in that regard. Cruise traffic is a real presence of course, but a lot of that goes thru FLL as well, and I'd bet (admittedly, speculation) that many budget-conscious families would choose NK, etc. into FLL even if their ship was leaving from Miami.

More well-off leisure travelers will be focusing on PBI, though some may route through MIA.

New domestic service to MIA would likely require a reasonable level of business traffic as well as traffic looking to connect south into LatAm.

[Edited 2015-10-09 20:27:18]
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:24 am

Quoting flyDTW1992 (Reply 77):
Cruise traffic is a real presence of course, but a lot of that goes thru FLL as well, and I'd bet (admittedly, speculation) that many budget-conscious families would choose NK, etc. into FLL even if their ship was leaving from Miami.

Yeah. I took a charter cruise from the Port of Miami less than a year ago which was most aimed at Americans. The pre-cruise hotel was in Fort Lauderdale and I´d say that most pax (maybe 90% who had booked their flights through the tour operator) were flying in and out of FLL.

Highly unscientific I know, but still I guess it´s representative of the situation.
 
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:52 pm

Quoting BN727227Ultra (Reply 71):
If Monsanto, Mallinckrodt, Boeing, AmBev can't/won't pony up the bux for a revenue guarantee, then TATL from tha STL is dead in the water.

Is the problem there the companies or the airport's unwillingness/inability to coordinate? It seems like the demand ought to be there, but STL management isn't very aggressive.
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:13 pm

AA's hole in the system is a regional hub in the central states. PHX, PHL, IAD serve that purpose in their regions. ORD and DFW currently fill that purpose in the central, but are subject to IRROPS. By creating a central domestic transfer point, it should help delays in DFW and ORD. MCI, MKE or STL should be able to provide adequate regional connectivity. This should allow for more international growth out of DFW and ORD.
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:20 pm

Quoting flyDTW1992 (Reply 77):
and I'd bet (admittedly, speculation) that many budget-conscious families would choose NK, etc. into FLL even if their ship was leaving from Miami.

And many of the cruise companies will get a block of tickets from the "opposite" airport sometimes because they get a better volume deal.
 
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:32 pm

Quoting flyDTW1992 (Reply 77):
Cruise traffic is a real presence of course, but a lot of that goes thru FLL as well, and I'd bet (admittedly, speculation) that many budget-conscious families would choose NK, etc. into FLL even if their ship was leaving from Miami.

I would never rely on NK if I was taking a cruise. At the same time I could neither see myself in a situation where I would choose to fly NK or even take a Caribbean cruise for that matter. If NK has a delay or cancellation, they won't ticket you on another airline (unless things have changed since they have grown), and they generally only have one flight per day in markets they serve. I also wonder if they would even fly you to the next port the next day (in markets where that is even possible) without charging you the fare difference.
 
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:52 pm

Quoting NolaMD88fan (Reply 59):
I was shocked to find no AA service to this area when we flew here over the Summer for a Yellowstone visit. With F9 out of the market, these cities are definitely wanting for additional service at least on a seasonal basis.

When F9 left, it absolutely decimated leisure flying habits. Overnight, prices a month prior went up by at least two hundred dollars. UA and DL made a killing, and still are. AS has done a good job of stepping in and lowering fares a bit, but to fly anywhere not in Washington or Oregon that means connecting in SEA or PDX even to go east.

Quoting aalaxfan (Reply 80):
AA's hole in the system is a regional hub in the central states. PHX, PHL, IAD serve that purpose in their regions. ORD and DFW currently fill that purpose in the central, but are subject to IRROPS.

Every airport is subject to IRROPS. STL just got hit with a tornado, for pete's sake. Another hub in the middle of the country would just serve a sparsely-populated area with little high-revenue flying to bolster the hub's bottom line. STL was shut down for a reason - it wasn't needed.
 
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:44 pm

Quoting ytraveller (Reply 72):
Is a return to India possible?

Given the pricing/yield climate, presence of the ME3, and DELORD nightmare still lingering - no.

Quoting ytraveller (Reply 72):
What about destinations in Africa?

South Africa has been brought up by the higher-ups here and there, but it's unlikely that it would happen before maybe 2017/2018
 
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Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:15 am

Quoting aalaxfan (Reply 80):
AA's hole in the system is a regional hub in the central states. PHX, PHL, IAD serve that purpose in their regions. ORD and DFW currently fill that purpose in the central, but are subject to IRROPS.

Those are two gigantic (DFW in particular) central state hubs that have that section of the country very well covered. IRROPS are going to be a fact of life in any central US city. ATL gets storms year round (thunder or ice/snow), DTW and MSP are notoriously snowy (but do a VERY good job of mitigating winter weather), DEN is obviously stormy in the summer and snowy in the winter.

No matter where you go in the central US, weather factors are just part of the deal.
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Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:29 pm

On Eagle:

SBN-DFW
SBN-CLT
 
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Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:52 pm

Someone said that international additions can be added as well. So hear me out:

MIA - GEO / PBM / DOM / TAB would be good additions. If permitted, GEO and PBM can be good as tagged routed and non-stop round trips can be provided for GEO using the 738s or A319's. American Eagle can use their E-175s or A319's for the DOM and TAB routes. My guess, travellers from DOM can enjoy the same convenience of connections to the United States with the need to further connect first from SJU. As for TAB, travellers may not necessarily have to take a BW flight to POS just to connect to MIA and onwards.

And just a brain tickler...
If anyone has travelled to and from Jamaica, especially in the past with the advent of Air Jamaica Express, a number of passengers have enjoyed the convenience of flying MBJ to OCJ (Ocho Rios / Boscobel). Now named the Ian Fleming International Airport, it is the third established international airport in Jamaica, however without scheduled service. IIRC, there were talks for AA via American Eagle to operate direct flights from MIA to OCJ on a daily or weekly basis. Personally, with the tourism market in Ocho Rios (and greater St. Ann) and Portland (with Port Antonio in mind), it would ease some travel time having to go to/from MBJ or even through high terrain just to get to KIN. Already the flights at MBJ and KIN are generally full.
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Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:09 pm

Quoting asuflyer (Reply 73):
Restart JFK-BGI, SDQ, STI
JFK-POS
JFK-GEO

         You read my mind. B6 really took the cake and ran with the party favours too. AA really should be robust with their competition in NYC where there were once routes to this side of the world. AA from JFK would certainly serve the Caribbean market perfectly, esp to BGI, SDQ, STI, and even KIN, MBJ, POS and GEO all of which provide very high VFR and cargo traffic.

Another train of thought: would AA expand into other high VFR markets from PHL? KIN (though MBJ is served), POS, BGI comes to mind, where the Jamaican, Trinidadian and Barbadian population in Philly is huge.

[Edited 2015-10-11 10:16:35]
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RE: Ideas For Filling Holes In AA's Network...

Sun Oct 11, 2015 6:32 pm

I would like to see AA restart the following:

MIA-RSW
MIA-SRQ
ORD-ONT
 
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RE: Ideas For Filling Holes In AA's Network...

Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:11 pm

What about IAD-AUS/BOS/LAS/LGA/ORD/PHX/SAN/SEA/SFO and DCA-SFO?

The DCA-LAS route and two of the (three daily) DCA-PHX frequencies could be switched over to IAD, meanwhile the beyond-perimeter DCA slots could be re-allocated to start two daily DCA-SFO and a third daily DCA-LAX. Then AA could operate the DCA-LAX/SFO flights with their premium heavy A321s.

AA (US) already has a large frequent flier presence in the Washington, DC area and starting long-haul routes from IAD to compliment their short-haul operation at DCA would make the very competitive against UA for O&D traffic.
 
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Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:24 pm

I am hoping for MHT MIA daily, MHT-ORD 2x daily and and a daily MHT DFW
 
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RE: Ideas For Filling Holes In AA's Network...

Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:30 pm

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 9):
no nonstop between PDX and Florida!?

I believe Orlando recent got a route, but I could be wrong.

PHL-PDX
PHL-MEX
PHL-ZRH
MIA-PDX
MIA-ZRH
MIA-YVR
PHX-LHR
LAX-SAL

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RE: Ideas For Filling Holes In AA's Network...

Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:59 pm

Quoting callmedrewy (Reply 88):
Another train of thought: would AA expand into other high VFR markets from PHL? KIN (though MBJ is served), POS, BGI comes to mind, where the Jamaican, Trinidadian and Barbadian population in Philly is huge.

Let's not forget the "pop culture" aspect of it, either. There are lots of people, whom several years ago, never even heard of Barbados..........but are now anxious to go, since singer Rihanna is from there.
 
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RE: Ideas For Filling Holes In AA's Network...

Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:40 am

Quoting AirMatt (Reply 89):
MIA-RSW
MIA-SRQ
ORD-ONT

Add ORD-SMF to that.
 
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RE: Ideas For Filling Holes In AA's Network...

Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:59 am

Quoting TWA85 (Reply 90):
The DCA-LAS route and two of the (three daily) DCA-PHX frequencies could be switched over to IAD, meanwhile the beyond-perimeter DCA slots could be re-allocated to start two daily DCA-SFO and a third daily DCA-LAX. Then AA could operate the DCA-LAX/SFO flights with their premium heavy A321s.

I'm not sure if the re-allocating to LAX/SFO would work or if those were tied to PHX and LAS, but in any event, I think AA holding DCA-PHX at 3x daily keeps the advantage over WN with regards to DC-PHX. If AA has it's PHX flights out of IAD, then WN would be on equal footing to be on IAD-PHX, and AA probably wouldn't want such scenario.

Atleast with RDU-PHX, US conceded that route to Southwest, that has once a daily. With AA a bigger entity at RDU, I do wonder if it add that nonstop back. There might be tech traffic between the markets, but maybe not enough. AA could run a morning flight to be different than Southwest, and AA would still have connnections at PHX.

I think IAD-LAS would low yielding and not worthwhile for AA to be on it. AA has no hub on either side. I think F9 struggled on it, and why it has disappeared. WN keeps low advance fares out of BWI, because of NK fare matching, e.g. $112 one-way fares that even UA will discount connection fares to LAS.

Quoting TWA85 (Reply 90):
What about IAD-AUS/BOS/LAS/LGA/ORD/PHX/SAN/SEA/SFO and DCA-SFO?

I'd think the shorter routes might get better yield and make better economics with aircraft utlization. I'd think IAD-ORD would be sensible with AA having a hub at ORD. AA would lack hubs on other sides of those long haul routes and would be at a competitive disadvantage. I think it would be interesting though if AA operated IAD-BOS and maybe BWI-BOS if it ever decides to run Europe routes from BOS, it could use the feed of all three WAS airports. Plus the BOS-WAS market is quite large (Boston's #1 market) but it'd be encroaching on B6's BOS strategy at that point.

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RE: Ideas For Filling Holes In AA's Network...

Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:03 am

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RE: Ideas For Filling Holes In AA's Network...

Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:12 am

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PHL-NRT
PHL-HEL
PHL-GRU
CLT-VCP
CLT-MAN
CLT-NRT
CLT-GRU
 
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RE: Ideas For Filling Holes In AA's Network...

Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:14 am

Quoting 757usairways (Reply 97):

I'll second those thoughts. Those are some solid adds that seem viable out of CLT & PHL.

With the ending of MIA-FRA flight in the near future. This might be a great time to bring back the 2nd daily CLT-FRA flight at least for the summer.

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RE: Ideas For Filling Holes In AA's Network...

Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:27 am

For the rumored 2 long haul routes, I'm betting LAX-AKL and MIA-JNB.
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