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Emirates Wants To Fly The A380 Into SEA But...

Fri Oct 09, 2015 2:31 am

... the airport can't handle the monster plane.

http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/n...-largest-plane-into.html?ana=yahoo

As Emirates airlines grows its volume of passengers through Seattle-Tacoma International Airport, bringing in a mammoth Airbus A380 would be the logical next step.

Except Sea-Tac can’t fit the 262-foot wingspan of the twin-deck A380 and still maintain regular operations.

The issue is FAA rules that dictate required separation between aircraft, said Sea-Tac spokesman Perry Cooper. While the airport can handle the 225-foot wingspan of Boeing (NYSE: BA) 747-8 jets, the extra 37 feet of an A380 puts that jet in another category.
 
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 2:36 am

We are discussing the same article here: AS And EK Getting Cozier? (by HiflyerAS Oct 8 2015 in Civil Aviation)


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Fri Oct 09, 2015 2:41 am

Writer's pretty sloppy with his details.  
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 2:41 am

I would've thought it was because its "Boeing Territory"   
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 3:09 am

Is there even room at SEA?
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 3:23 am

Maybe Airbus 380 company will figure it out to get wings folding before into taxing down in SEA. LOL! That's too bad. Tacoma Air Force Base will be option to fly there only way to go.

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Fri Oct 09, 2015 3:28 am

Quoting Q (Reply 5):
Tacoma Air Force Base will be option to fly there only way to go.

Whaaaa?   
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RE: Emirates Wants To Fly The A380 Into SEA But...

Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:00 am

Sure. Let's find them an address for where to send the check for airport upgrades.
 
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:43 am

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 7):
Sure. Let's find them an address for where to send the check for airport upgrades.

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Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:05 am

Tacoma airport code is KTCM. McChord Air Force Airport in Tacoma south of Seattle.


McChord can handle B-52 used to be. B52 and A380 are similar wing spans. So that EK can land there if FAA is not allow to fly A380 to SEA. TCM is only way to go there.


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Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:10 am

But EK's business of carrying spare Boeing parts out of SEA would disappear no? Though I guess who cares since the A380 has zero cargo space   
 
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:30 am

Perhaps if SEA can't handle the 380 then EK should put on a 3rd daily service there.
I'm sure EK's success in SEA isn't going unnoticed in Doha or Abu Dhabi so how long before QR and / or EY muscle in ?
 
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:51 am

I suspect it will stabilise on 2 daily 77W for a while and then go to an A380
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:46 am

Is there any plan in SEA to upgrade the airport to allow the A380 operation??

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 10):

But EK's business of carrying spare Boeing parts out of SEA would disappear no? Though I guess who cares since the A380 has zero cargo space   

Yes, exactly,   

Quoting TC957 (Reply 11):

Perhaps if SEA can't handle the 380 then EK should put on a 3rd daily service there.
I'm sure EK's success in SEA isn't going unnoticed in Doha or Abu Dhabi so how long before QR and / or EY muscle in ?

Yes, maybe but I always make the same calculation,
3x day B77W (8/42/310)... 24 First, 126 Business and 930 economy
1xday B77W (8/42/310) & 1xday A380 (14/76/399)... 22 First 118 Business and 709 economy.
So basically 2 flights could be as good as 3 if the A380 is in the mix, of course cargo is the difference, but premium seats are almost same and cost is much lower.

I'm sure QR and EY are well aware of SEA success but I'm not sure if we will see them going face to face on this route, could QR or EY also cooperate with Alaska out of SEA??
 
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:21 am

Quoting migair54 (Reply 13):
Is there any plan in SEA to upgrade the airport to allow the A380 operation??

It's been stated many times over the years that no plans were in place to do so, but it also didn't seem very likely that anyone was going to fly an A380 to SEA. Perhaps that is changing....still, the airport is hitting its capacity limits and is probably going to be busy trying to figure out how to handle the traffic it already has before worrying about accommodating the whale.
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:30 am

They could try to base their ops at KPAE...   
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:37 am

Quoting Q (Reply 9):
McChord can handle B-52 used to be. B52 and A380 are similar wing spans. So that EK can land there if FAA is not allow to fly A380 to SEA. TCM is only way to go there.

TCM is a military airfield... you can't have commercial operations there.
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:59 pm

Quoting ordell (Thread starter):
The issue is FAA rules that dictate required separation between aircraft, said Sea-Tac spokesman Perry Cooper. While the airport can handle the 225-foot wingspan of Boeing (NYSE: BA) 747-8 jets, the extra 37 feet of an A380 puts that jet in another category.

Nonesense, both are group VI aircraft and have to abide by the same rules. We always hear this same excuse until someone writes a check. BOS was no different and look at it now, they are building 3 A380 gates. How did we go from "wingspan is too big" to "Here, have 3 A380 gates"? LOL
The FAA has exceptions to the rule and has granted them to multiple airports, such as BOS. LAX is not Group VI compliant for cryin' that loud. All SEA has to do is come up with a mitigation plan and file for an exception with the FAA. Of course they don't want to do that until someone comes up with a check to pay for the terminal improvements  
 
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 2:40 pm

SEA have to expand the international area anyway. It would be a good time to add a code F gate while they're at it. Airside improvements shouldn't be too much of an issue. I'm assuming the new runway (and parallel taxiway) was built to modern regulations, so really they just need one access route into the terminal.
 
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 3:35 pm

Quoting Q (Reply 9):
McChord can handle B-52 used to be. B52 and A380 are similar wing spans.

The A-380 has a much larger wing span. 77 feet longer than a B-52.
A C-5 is closer at 223', but still shorter than the 380.
 
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:27 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 17):

SEA doesn't have to do anything if they feel the ground separation, traffic control, and airport operations would be at risk during whale operations.. especially since the whale has a history of attracting FOD in the form of aircraft and buildings...      
 
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:20 pm

Quoting kanban (Reply 20):
SEA doesn't have to do anything if they feel the ground separation, traffic control, and airport operations would be at risk during whale operations.. especially since the whale has a history of attracting FOD in the form of aircraft and buildings...

Right, just like no other airport in the U.S. had to do anything either, but they did it because guess what? $$$$ talks and BS walks. SEA won't be any different. Here are the FAA guidelines for the request:
https://www.faa.gov/airports/southern/engineering/media/mod-to-standards-request-form.pdf
As you can see, SEA has already requested and received approval for the 747-8i. The A380 request won't be too far out.
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:38 pm

It is impressive that while some questioned EK coming into SEA in the first place, now they are flying double daily and want an A380 in there.
 
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:45 pm

My biggest concern is handling all the passengers through Immigration. I am lucky that I have Global Entry, but the lines sometimes for passengers that do not have Global Entry is scary. Last thing you want after a 10+ hour flight. I must say that airports in Europe tend to do a much better job getting passengers off the planes and out of the airport (or to connecting flights). I hope SEA's new plans will not only look better but handle passenger flow better.
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:36 pm

Quoting flybynight (Reply 23):

My biggest concern is handling all the passengers through Immigration. I am lucky that I have Global Entry, but the lines sometimes for passengers that do not have Global Entry is scary. Last thing you want after a 10+ hour flight. I must say that airports in Europe tend to do a much better job getting passengers off the planes and out of the airport (or to connecting flights). I hope SEA's new plans will not only look better but handle passenger flow better.

Yes, the the planned International Arrivals Facilities should be be a vastly improved experience for all once it opens in early 2019, assuming all goes as planned. Personally, I think it'd be helpful if EK shelved any A380 plans for SEA until that time, assuming the plane can be accommodated through a waiver.
 
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:11 pm

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 10):
Though I guess who cares since the A380 has zero cargo space   

8 tonnes in addition to a full passenger load actually, though that would dampen your Boeing fanboyism somewhat.  
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RE: Emirates Wants To Fly The A380 Into SEA But...

Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:28 pm

Hey guys, a question: Why doesn't SEA do like so many airports (FRA, been there, done that) and park away from the building, roll up some stairs and deplane the pax that way? Put four rolling stairways against the bird, two per side, and you will empty it in no time.
 
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:47 pm

Quoting ordell (Reply 26):
Why doesn't SEA do like so many airports (FRA, been there, done that) and park away from the building, roll up some stairs and deplane the pax that way? Put four rolling stairways against the bird, two per side, and you will empty it in no time.

It's not about SEA at that point, but EK. They're focused on providing the best customer experience possible, and airstairs out on the ramp for the flagship of the fleet isn't a positive from a passenger experience perspective.
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:54 pm

Quoting ordell (Reply 26):
Hey guys, a question: Why doesn't SEA do like so many airports (FRA, been there, done that) and park away from the building, roll up some stairs and deplane the pax that way? Put four rolling stairways against the bird, two per side, and you will empty it in no time.

Gate space isn't the only issue - there's the taxiway/runway situation to deal with.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 27):
It's not about SEA at that point, but EK. They're focused on providing the best customer experience possible, and airstairs out on the ramp for the flagship of the fleet isn't a positive from a passenger experience perspective.

Indeed - I am sure folks who rode over in the 1st class suites aren't going to ant to walk down an open-air stairway an into a bus in the middle of one of our famous winter rain and wind storms. In July, sure no problem. In November/December....another story.
 
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:10 pm

EK has 107 77W's in its fleet. As such, instead of flying the A388 to SEA, they'll just end up with 3X per day 77W service instead.
 
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:04 am

Quoting ER757 (Reply 28):

Indeed - I am sure folks who rode over in the 1st class suites aren't going to ant to walk down an open-air stairway an into a bus in the middle of one of our famous winter rain and wind storms. In July, sure no problem. In November/December....another story

I wonder if even in the summer. The upper level is going to want its own jet bridge, like other 380 gates. Is there even an airstairs that goes up that high? Otherwise, mingle with the main level.
 
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:24 am

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 29):

EK has 107 77W's in its fleet. As such, instead of flying the A388 to SEA, they'll just end up with 3X per day 77W service instead.

Wouldn't 3X 777 work better if it is being mostly fed through 737s?
 
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:25 am

The problem is Taxiway Bravo. If the A380 is on 16L/34R, Bravo is unusable, likewise with the runway if the A380 is on Bravo. The airport is unable to create proper separation because of the space constraints east to the terminals and west towards 16C/34C.
 
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:06 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 27):
They're focused on providing the best customer experience possible, and airstairs out on the ramp for the flagship of the fleet isn't a positive from a passenger experience perspective.

Happens at DXB already. Personally experienced disembarking an EK A388 at DXB using stairs twice already, followed by a 15-20 min bus ride to the terminal!
 
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:33 am

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 10):
But EK's business of carrying spare Boeing parts out of SEA would disappear no? Though I guess who cares since the A380 has zero cargo space   
Quoting wingflex744 (Reply 15):
They could try to base their ops at KPAE...   
Quoting kanban (Reply 20):
especially since the whale has a history of attracting FOD in the form of aircraft and buildings...      

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Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:10 am

Quoting panamair (Reply 33):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 27):They're focused on providing the best customer experience possible, and airstairs out on the ramp for the flagship of the fleet isn't a positive from a passenger experience perspective.

Happens at DXB already. Personally experienced disembarking an EK A388 at DXB using stairs twice already, followed by a 15-20 min bus ride to the terminal!

I'm betting that was an outlier and not part of their normal daily operations, though. The previous post was a suggestion that EK's daily, normal operations at SEA rely on airstairs and buses. Hardly what they'd want to provide to customers on a regular basis.
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:41 am

Quoting airbazar (Reply 17):
Nonesense, both are group VI aircraft and have to abide by the same rules. We always hear this same excuse until someone writes a check. BOS was no different and look at it now, they are building 3 A380 gates. How did we go from "wingspan is too big" to "Here, have 3 A380 gates"? LOL
The FAA has exceptions to the rule and has granted them to multiple airports, such as BOS. LAX is not Group VI compliant for cryin' that loud. All SEA has to do is come up with a mitigation plan and file for an exception with the FAA. Of course they don't want to do that until someone comes up with a check to pay for the terminal improvements

The FAA exceptions are largely based on clearance between the runway and taxiways, etc based on actual wingspans. It is not just building gates. Some of those airports who got exemptions spent a lot of money modifying taxiways or turn areas, or other clearances before filing for the exemptions.

Seattle has stated that their biggest problem is runway to taxiway clearance with the A380 wings. That's a lot of money if they even have the space - and I am not sure that the space to relocate the taxiways even exists. The gates are just the window-dressing at the end of the process.

The next question is - even if the space exists - is there enough potential A380 traffic to make the investment of that money worthwhile (or is EK willing to fund it).

However, I will point out that if EK is really serious about providing larger airliners with a premium upper deck that the 748 is available and already approved as indicated above.

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Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:45 am

Quoting 2175301 (Reply 36):
However, I will point out that if EK is really serious about providing larger airliners with a premium upper deck that the 748 is available and already approved as indicated above.

I was thinking the same thing. Then again, I suppose the 779 will fill a similar role eventually.
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:05 am

It is so obvious that the second daily flight to SEA is for YVR, as all of you know that EK have some issues in Canada. There is a similar story that happened with EK in Tokyo. Before EK was allowed into HND, they served NRT by A380, afterwards the service was back to 77W for NRT and 77L for HND.
This might happen to SEA, if EK started sending A380 there it will be temporarily until YVR is open.
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:14 am

^^ It's easy to say that it is obvious that the lack of YVR rights is driving EK's decisions, but that may well be downplaying the SEA market somewhat.

As for the A380, the headlines should read EK needs to place all these aircraft somewhere, so if a city is capable of handling any the plane it will likely eventually get one.

[Edited 2015-10-09 22:15:07]
 
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:15 am

Quoting ordell (Thread starter):
As Emirates airlines grows its volume of passengers through Seattle-Tacoma International Airport, bringing in a mammoth Airbus A380 would be the logical next step.

The writer concludes that the A-380 must come to Seattle but offers no passenger or cargo numbers to support an increase in service. Are passenger loads getting that big? Has cargo increased? The EK gate staff tells me that loads are great and they're very happy with Seattle but that's just a happy face they put on. Does anyone have any real numbers?

These from your link:

1. “Our president Tim Clark already has mentioned one day looking at full A380 operations to all of our U.S. gateways.”

This doesn't sound like a firm commitment to get A-380 service to SEA.

2. "Currently Emirates operates a 290-passenger 777-200ER and a 364-passenger 777-300ER jet for the two daily flights between Sea-Tac and Dubai…. After it upgrades the 200ER, a A380 would be the next way to grow."

Aside from the obvious mistakes, the writer fails to consider any other alternative. Consider the new twins coming on line. EK has ordered 150 B-778s & 779s, either one of which is more capable then the current twins. Significant cargo comes out of the Pacific Northwest including aviation parts for both A & B, agriculture products, sea food, and I'm sure others. I'd say we'll see two 77Ws and a 77F in SEA before an A-380.

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 2):
Writer's pretty sloppy with his details.

  Certainly sloppier than normal. It makes for difficult reading and strains the writer's credibility.


Quoting DC10LOVER (Reply 4):
Is there even room at SEA?

No.

Quoting ojas (Reply 12):
I suspect it will stabilise on 2 daily 77W for a while and then go to an A380

I don't see it. As far as I know EK is doing fine with the daily 77W and 77L.

Quoting TC957 (Reply 11):
Perhaps if SEA can't handle the 380 then EK should put on a 3rd daily service there.

I haven't seen any numbers but it's hard for me to believe that EK can fill two B-77Ws each day, let alone 3. How would this work with EKs scheduling? I understand that there are 2 times at DXB when most airliners takeoff and land, 1 time in the evening and 1 in the early morning. Both times when it's non hot. If 3 airliners were to leave SEA for DXB in 1 day, it looks to me like 2 of them would be an hour or so apart. True?

Quoting gunsontheroof (Reply 14):
Quoting migair54 (Reply 13):
Is there any plan in SEA to upgrade the airport to allow the A380 operation??

It's been stated many times over the years that no plans were in place to do so, but it also didn't seem very likely that anyone was going to fly an A380 to SEA. Perhaps that is changing....

Perhaps, but I don't think so. It could have been gunsontheroof who said in 1 of those earlier strings that The Port of Seattle has many good and necessary projects to spend airport money but A-380 gates aren't 1 of them (paraphrasing here).

Quoting airplanenut (Reply 16):
Quoting Q (Reply 9):
McChord can handle B-52 used to be. B52 and A380 are similar wing spans. So that EK can land there if FAA is not allow to fly A380 to SEA. TCM is only way to go there.
TCM is a military airfield... you can't have commercial operations there.

It's part of JBLM (joint base Lewis McChord). Ft. Lewis is the Army portion. Any GA or commercial airplane unfortunate enough to land there will stay for a while. A GA pilot told me she'd rather land in a field of stumps than at McChord, at least that way she'd get her plane back. Perhaps someone got TCM confused with TIW.   


Quoting airbazar (Reply 17):
Of course they don't want to do that until someone comes up with a check to pay for the terminal improvements

There are many checks being written for many projects at SEA. Apparently an expansion for EK's A-380 didn't make the list.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 35):
The previous post was a suggestion that EK's daily, normal operations at SEA rely on airstairs and buses.

That has never been my experience. Where did you get it?

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 35):
Hardly what they'd want to provide to customers on a regular basis.

EK has always provided excellent service to me on a regular basis.

Thanks,   
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:25 am

Quoting Caryjack (Reply 40):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 35):The previous post was a suggestion that EK's daily, normal operations at SEA rely on airstairs and buses.
That has never been my experience. Where did you get it?

I think you misunderstood; a previous post suggested that to get the A380 into SEA today, EK rely on airstairs for all potential daily A380 operations at SEA:

Quoting ordell (Reply 26):
Hey guys, a question: Why doesn't SEA do like so many airports (FRA, been there, done that) and park away from the building, roll up some stairs and deplane the pax that way? Put four rolling stairways against the bird, two per side, and you will empty it in no time.

I'm sure you can agree that would be a horrible customer service experience if it were your normal day-to-day operations to use airstairs on the flagship of the fleet, especially for a service-oriented carrier like EK.
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:29 am

Although I imagine EK would be able to do mobile lounges pretty well if they needed to.
 
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RE: Emirates Wants To Fly The A380 Into SEA But...

Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:29 am

Quoting spahrtan (Reply 32):
The problem is Taxiway Bravo. If the A380 is on 16L/34R, Bravo is unusable, likewise with the runway if the A380 is on Bravo. The airport is unable to create proper separation because of the space constraints east to the terminals and west towards 16C/34C.

I suggested in an earlier reply that the A380 could be limited to the western runways and taxiway tango. The plane doesn't have to have access to all of the airfield to be able to fly to it.
 
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 9:44 am

Quoting panamair (Reply 33):
Happens at DXB already. Personally experienced disembarking an EK A388 at DXB using stairs twice already, followed by a 15-20 min bus ride to the terminal!

Same - early (5:40am) arrival into DXB on A380 two weeks ago - airstairs and 15 minutes to terminal. Departed on 77W at 9am - another 15 minute bus ride and airstairs.

It happens...
 
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RE: Emirates Wants To Fly The A380 Into SEA But...

Sat Oct 10, 2015 10:04 am

Quoting PBNZ (Reply 44):

Every single day it happens in JED, you always board A380 via stairs
 
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RE: Emirates Wants To Fly The A380 Into SEA But...

Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:14 am

Quoting airbazar (Reply 17):
Nonesense, both are group VI aircraft and have to abide by the same rules. We always hear this same excuse until someone writes a check

Exactly what I was thinking, they are both Code F aircraft under ICAO designation.

Quoting 2175301 (Reply 36):
The FAA exceptions are largely based on clearance between the runway and taxiways, etc based on actual wingspans. It is not just building gates. Some of those airports who got exemptions spent a lot of money modifying taxiways or turn areas, or other clearances before filing for the exemptions.

Seattle has stated that their biggest problem is runway to taxiway clearance with the A380 wings. That's a lot of money if they even have the space - and I am not sure that the space to relocate the taxiways even exists. The gates are just the window-dressing at the end of the process.

The runway centerline to taxiway centerline clearance at SEA is the same as at LAX - some 120m and both massively defective from current ICAO regulations. In all likelihood SEA would only have a single A380 active at any one time, whilst LAX sees multiple concurrent movements, so what would make the FAA prejudice SEA from having A380 operations?


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RE: Emirates Wants To Fly The A380 Into SEA But...

Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:45 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 35):
I'm betting that was an outlier and not part of their normal daily operations, though. The previous post was a suggestion that EK's daily, normal operations at SEA rely on airstairs and buses. Hardly what they'd want to provide to customers on a regular basis.

Actually quite common. More so for the 777s and A330s, however, also the A380s. Especially for disembarkation.

However, while DXB is hot and humid, it doesn't have the same cold rain and winter conditions that SEA has. Won't be nice using air stairs for that half of the year.

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RE: Emirates Wants To Fly The A380 Into SEA But...

Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:15 pm

The 77W used to have seats blocked on the LAX-DXB flight IIRC and carry next to no cargo. How much cargo could a 77W carry SEA-DXB? Its only 800nm less to travel by GCM. Can the 388 do LAX-DXB unrestricted? How would this compare cargo wise against the 77W & 77L? Can the 388 carry more passenegrs & cargo than the 77W on US west coast routes?
 
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RE: Emirates Wants To Fly The A380 Into SEA But...

Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:55 pm

Quoting ordell (Reply 26):
Put four rolling stairways against the bird, two per side, and you will empty it in no time.

The president of the US does that all the time, doesn't he? There are airstairs with walls and roof. Just park a bus next to the opening and pax won't need to experience the nice winter climate at all. If there are no high enough airstairs, surely it's cheaper to build a couple than rebuilding a jetway. Obviously they'd want proper jetways and no buses, but I think it could work as an interim solution.

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