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Norwegian Doing Well At Fort-Lauderdale.

Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:30 pm

Norwegian Is doing well at FLL. The loads are around 90% most of the time.They also said they plan to add new routes in the future. Your thoughts ?

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RE: Norwegian Doing Well At Fort-Lauderdale.

Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:47 pm

High Loads do not equal profit.
 
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RE: Norwegian Doing Well At Fort-Lauderdale.

Sat Oct 10, 2015 9:19 pm

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 1):
High Loads do not equal profit.

   With the fares they're charging, I would be surprised if they weren't filling the planes.
 
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RE: Norwegian Doing Well At Fort-Lauderdale.

Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:42 am

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 1):
High Loads do not equal profit.

Low loads most probably means losses so while we don't know if the route is profitable we do know there is some chance of profitability with those high load factors.
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RE: Norwegian Doing Well At Fort-Lauderdale.

Sun Oct 11, 2015 1:09 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 3):

Not true at all , some flights that run around 50% could be incredibly profitable if they have no competition on the route and it is in high demand. Whereas we just saw AA cancel TLV with around a 90% LF because it wasn't profitable.
 
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RE: Norwegian Doing Well At Fort-Lauderdale.

Sun Oct 11, 2015 1:56 am

Quoting Lesfalls (Thread starter):
Your thoughts

I'm pleased.

The Transatlantic market is 90% controlled by the three high cost airline cartels - and their immunity from prosecution for their joint ventures is just a legalized form of anti-competitive price fixing.

The likes of BA, LH, AF/KL and their US partners AA, UA, and DL aren't full service airlines because they want to be or because they think it's the best model - instead their high costs mandate they have no other choice but offer a hub and spoke netwrok with a focus on capturing premium traffic.

What Ryanair and WN did within their continents is now spreading to TATL flights. The results will be devestating if Norwegian succeeds....




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RE: Norwegian Doing Well At Fort-Lauderdale.

Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:16 am

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 1):
High Loads do not equal profit.

In a recent interview, the ceo of Norwegian said that they are operating both shorthaul and longhaul profitably.
 
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RE: Norwegian Doing Well At Fort-Lauderdale.

Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:43 am

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 1):
High Loads do not equal profit.

At lease better then extremely poor loading
 
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RE: Norwegian Doing Well At Fort-Lauderdale.

Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:20 am

Quoting pu (Reply 5):

The Transatlantic market is 90% controlled by the three high cost airline cartels - and their immunity from prosecution for their joint ventures is just a legalized form of anti-competitive price fixing.

Very solid post and to the point of the what the market conditions and opportunities that are out there.

Longer range single aisles (73-Max, A320NEO) and efficient twin aisle aircraft are going to open up markets previously the domain of the larger, legacy airlines. Low interest rates are also making the cost of acquiring these assets more scalable.

Point to Point flying can really undermine the necessity placed on the hub and spoke model of the Star, OneWorld, SkyTeam carriers.

There is also the chance to open up less congested / less expensive airports to serve as connecting international hubs.
 
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RE: Norwegian Doing Well At Fort-Lauderdale.

Sun Oct 11, 2015 1:59 pm

Quoting airzona11 (Reply 8):
Longer range single aisles (73-Max, A320NEO) and efficient twin aisle aircraft

Yep. The technology right now seems more relevant for Norwegian than it did for earlier pioneers. Southwest and Ryanair wanted a single fleet type for simplicity and cost control. But now longhaul is in the midst of a minor revolution because the designs are nimble and open up all kinds of new route possibilities.

Also, the cartel airlines can't insulate themselves very well from an upstart using subversive routes, new planes and low prices. They have the credit to buy 100 new 787s but they can't match Norwegian without hurting themselves. I've been thinking Norwegian should pick an airport (Hartford?) in the US to funnel a ton of BOS/NYC passengers to from one of London's secondary airports. BA/AA can't match any p2p route because it weakens their hubs, and anyway the belief that Heathrow is the key to London is a load of bollocks.

Quoting airzona11 (Reply 8):

Point to Point flying can really undermine the necessity placed on the hub and spoke model of the Star, OneWorld, SkyTeam carriers.

Hubs work for airlines, not their passengers.

We need a disruptive new player in longhaul....what uber did for the personal ground transportation market.

Quoting airzona11 (Reply 8):
There is also the chance to open up less congested / less expensive airports to serve as connecting international hubs.
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Imagine if Norwegian teams up with an easyJet or Ryanair in Europe and a Spirit or Southwest in the US!!!!!!





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RE: Norwegian Doing Well At Fort-Lauderdale.

Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:18 pm

Quoting pu (Reply 9):
Imagine if Norwegian teams up with an easyJet or Ryanair in Europe

Why would Norwegian, the 3rd biggest LCC in Europe, team up with either of their biggest rivals?
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RE: Norwegian Doing Well At Fort-Lauderdale.

Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:37 pm

Quoting pu (Reply 9):
Quoting B777LRF (Reply 10):

You might want to rethink that impossible dream http://ch-aviation.com/portal/news/4...-interline-deal-with-ryanair-close
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RE: Norwegian Doing Well At Fort-Lauderdale.

Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:55 pm

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 10):
Why would Norwegian, the 3rd biggest LCC in Europe, team up with either of their biggest rivals?

For the same reason AA teamed up with their biggest TATL rival, BA.

In the US the three legacies have an unofficial agreement to limit competition amongst themselves, which they have given the cute name "capacity discipline."

For all the talk about the benefits of competition, in capitalism the goal often becomes eliminating or at least neutralising competitors. It might be time for the LCCs to form their own cartel (polite term "alliance") so that they can effectively neutralise half the competition between each other and concentrate on deconstructing the house of cards that is the legacy hub and spoke high cost model.

Quoting Lesfalls (Reply 11):

Interesting, I hadn't seen that before, thanks.




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RE: Norwegian Doing Well At Fort-Lauderdale.

Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:14 pm

Quoting pu (Reply 12):

No prob.
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