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OAG Changes 10/15/2015: AA/B6/DL/UA

Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:03 pm

FAQ

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. I remove the schedule adds if I see them and show a year over year (YOY) comparison if I notice them.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard. This causes flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

3F CGA-HYL NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
3F CGA-KLW NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>0.9 JAN 0>0.8 FEB 0>0.9 MAR 0>0.9 APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>0.8 JUN 0>0.9
3F HYL-KTN NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
3F KLW-KTN NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>0.9 JAN 0>0.8 FEB 0>0.9 MAR 0>0.9 APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>0.8 JUN 0>0.9

3M FLL-ELH DEC 1.6>1.7
3M FLL-MHH DEC 1.7>1.8

4B PHX-SVC NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>0.8

4M MIA-SCL NOV 0>0.4

4O SAT-TLC NOV 0.3>0.1 DEC 0.3>0.1

9K AUG-BOS JUN 3>4
9K BHB-BOS JUN 3>1.5
9K BOS-RKD JUN 3>4

9V MIA-BLA NOV 1.0>1.4 DEC 1.0>1.3

*AA DCA-EYW JAN 0.1>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
AA DFW-MGA JUN 0.4>0.5
AA JFK-LHR MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4
AA LAX-SAN JAN 7>9 FEB 8>10 MAR 8>9 APR 7>9 MAY 7>9 JUN 7>9
AA LAX-SJC JAN 5>6 FEB 6>7
AA LAX-SMF JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5
*AA MIA-FRA MAY 0.6>0 JUN 1.0>0
AA MIA-LIR APR 2>1.9 MAY 2>1.8 JUN 2>1.9
AA MIA-SSA MAR 0.5>0.4 APR 0.6>0.4
*AA MIA-VCP FEB 1.0>0.4 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
AA MIA-ZSA NOV 0.3>0 DEC 0.3>0.1

AC CLE-YYZ NOV 4>3
AC DTW-YYZ NOV 4>3
AC EWR-YUL NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
AC LGA-YUL NOV 7>8 DEC 7>8 JAN 7>8 FEB 7>8 MAR 7>8

AM DEN-MEX JAN 1.2>1.3 FEB 0.6>0.9
AM LAX-GDL DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3
*AM ORD-MLM JAN 0>0.2 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.1
AM SMF-GDL FEB 0.6>0.8

AS ANC-JNU JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4 APR 3>4
AS PDX-LAX JAN 8>7 FEB 8>7
AS SEA-ANC FEB 14>13
AS SEA-JNU JAN 2.0>3 FEB 3>4 MAR 2>3 APR 3>4 MAY 4>5
AS SEA-LAX JAN 15>14 FEB 16>15

AV JFK-BOG DEC 2>3
AV JFK-MDE DEC 1.0>1.1 JAN 0.9>1.0
AV LAX-SAL DEC 3>4

B6 FLL-UIO FEB 0>0.2 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0
B6 MCO-BOS MAR 8>7 APR 8>7

B6 YOY Schedule Changes
B6 BDL-SJU MAR 1.4>1.7 APR 1.4>1.7
B6 BOS-AUA MAR 1.1>1.3 APR 1.1>1.3 MAY 1.2>1.3
B6 BOS-BDA MAY 0.6>0.4
B6 BOS-BGI MAR 0>0.1 APR 0>0.2
B6 BOS-BNA MAY 0>1.7
B6 BOS-CHS APR 1.1>2.0 MAY 1.0>1.8
B6 BOS-CLE MAR 0>1.7 APR 0.1>1.7 MAY 2>3
B6 BOS-CUN MAR 1.1>1.3 APR 1.1>1.3
B6 BOS-EWR MAR 5>4 APR 5>4 MAY 6>5
B6 BOS-LIR MAR 0.1>0.3 APR 0.1>0.3
B6 BOS-OAK MAY 0.2>0.1
B6 BOS-PLS MAR 0.3>0.4 APR 0.3>0.5
B6 BOS-PUJ MAR 0.4>0.5 APR 0.4>0.6
B6 BOS-RIC MAR 5>4 APR 5>4 MAY 5>4
B6 BOS-RSW MAR 7>8
B6 BOS-STI MAR 0.5>1.0 APR 0.6>1.0
B6 BOS-SXM MAR 0.3>0.4 APR 0.3>0.5 MAY 0.2>0.3
B6 BOS-TPA MAY 3>4
B6 DCA-NAS MAY 1.0>0.1
B6 EWR-PBI MAR 2>3 APR 2>3 MAY 1.0>3
B6 EWR-SJU MAR 1.0>1.6 APR 1.0>1.8
B6 FLL-ALB MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
B6 FLL-BNA MAY 0>0.9
B6 FLL-BWI MAR 0>2 APR 0>2 MAY 0>1.1
B6 FLL-CHS MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
B6 FLL-CLE MAR 0>1.0 APR 0.0>1.0
B6 FLL-CTG MAR 0.7>1.0 APR 0.8>1.0
B6 FLL-CUN MAR 1.7>2 APR 1.7>2
B6 FLL-DTW MAR 0>1.0 APR 0.0>1.0
B6 FLL-JAX MAR 2>3 APR 2>3 MAY 2>3
B6 FLL-MEX MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
B6 FLL-PHL MAR 0>2 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2
B6 FLL-PLS MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
B6 FLL-SDQ MAY 1.0>1.1
B6 FLL-SJU MAR 6>5 APR 6>5
B6 FLL-SYR MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0
B6 FLL-UIO MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
B6 HPN-PBI MAR 3>4 APR 3>4
B6 JFK-ANU MAR 0>0.5 APR 0>0.4 MAY 0>0.5
B6 JFK-BGI APR 1.8>2
B6 JFK-BUF APR 6>7
B6 JFK-DAB MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
B6 JFK-GCM MAR 0.7>1.0 APR 0.7>1.0
B6 JFK-GND MAR 0>0.6 APR 0>0.6 MAY 0>0.6
B6 JFK-KIN MAR 1.1>1.8 APR 1.4>2 MAY 1.0>2
B6 JFK-LAX MAR 7>9 APR 7>10 MAY 8>9
B6 JFK-LIR APR 0.7>1.0
B6 JFK-PAP MAY 1.0>1.6
B6 JFK-PSP MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>0.7
B6 JFK-RNO MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>1.0
B6 JFK-SDQ APR 5>4
B6 JFK-SFO MAY 5>6
B6 JFK-STI MAR 5>4 APR 5>4
B6 JFK-SXM MAR 1.1>1.3 APR 1.1>1.3 MAY 1.0>1.2
B6 LAS-SFO MAR 2>3 APR 2>3
B6 LGA-TPA MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0
B6 MCO-ALB MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
B6 MCO-BQN MAY 1.4>1.6
B6 MCO-BWI MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
B6 MCO-HPN MAR 4>3 APR 4>3
B6 MCO-JFK MAY 10>9
B6 MCO-MEX MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
B6 TPA-SJU MAR 2.0>1.7

CA HNL-PEK FEB 0.5>0.9

CM MSY-PTY JUN 0.3>0.6

DL BOS-CUN JAN 0.3>0.4
DL BUF-MSP JAN 0.8>0.6
DL CVG-MKE JAN 1.7>0.8 FEB 1.2>0.8
DL DTW-CIU JAN 1.9>1.1 FEB 1.9>1.0 MAR 1.9>1.0 APR 1.8>1.0 MAY 1.9>1.0
*DL DTW-PLN JAN 1.7>0.7 FEB 1.8>0.8 MAR 1.7>0.3 APR 1.7>0 MAY 1.9>0 JUN 3>2
DL LAX-RDU FEB 1.6>1.0 MAR 1.9>1.4
How long did that strategy last?
**DL MCO-BSB FEB 0.5>0.3 MAR 0.4>0 APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.4>0 JUN 0.4>0
DL SLC-GJT NOV 1.9>1.1 DEC 1.9>0.9 JAN 1.8>1.0 FEB 1.9>1.0 MAR 1.9>1.0 APR 1.8>1.0 MAY 1.8>1.0 JUN 1.9>1.0
DL SLC-LWS APR 1.8>1.0 MAY 1.8>0.9 JUN 2>1.0

F9 DTW-RSW JAN 0>0.5 FEB 0>1 MAR 0>1 APR 0>0.2

KL IAH-AMS APR 1.3>1.0 MAY 1.3>1.0 JUN 1.3>1.0
KL LAX-AMS APR 1.3>1.5

LA MIA-SCL NOV 3>4 MAR 1.8>3 APR 1.9>3 MAY 1.8>3 JUN 1.9>3

MU JFK-PVG MAR 1.8>2.0 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2

QR JFK-DOH MAR 2>1.0

RJ DTW-AMM JUN 0.3>0.2
RJ JFK-AMM JUN 0.7>0.6

*SK BOS-CPH APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0

UA DEN-CUN MAY 1.3>3 JUN 1.1>1.4
UA DEN-OKC DEC 6>5
UA DEN-PVR MAY 0.6>0.5
UA DEN-SJD MAY 0.5>0.3
UA EWR-ANU MAY 0.4>0.2
*UA EWR-ATH MAY 0>0.2 JUN 0>1.0
UA EWR-AUA MAY 1.4>1.5
UA EWR-BDA MAY 0.9>0.6
UA EWR-BZE MAY 0.1>0
UA EWR-CDG MAR 1.0>1.2 APR 1.9>2
UA EWR-CUN MAY 4>5
UA EWR-MBJ MAR 1.2>1.7 MAY 0.4>0.5
UA EWR-NAS MAR 1.5>1.7 MAY 1.1>1.3
UA EWR-PLS MAY 0.7>0.5
UA EWR-POP MAY 0.6>0.3 JUN 0.8>0.7
UA EWR-PTY MAY 1.2>1.0
UA EWR-PUJ MAY 1.5>3 JUN 2>3
UA EWR-SDQ MAY 1.3>1.0
UA EWR-SJO MAY 1.2>1.1
UA EWR-SJU MAY 1.6>1.8
UA EWR-SXM MAY 0.4>0.3
*UA IAD-BCN MAY 0>0.2 JUN 0>1.0
UA IAD-CUN MAY 1.4>3 JUN 1.6>1.8
UA IAD-GCM APR 0.6>0.2
*UA IAD-LIS MAY 0>0.2 JUN 0>1.0
UA IAD-SJO MAY 0.1>0
UA IAD-STT MAY 0.3>0.2
UA IAH-ACA MAY 0.4>0.2 JUN 0.4>0.3
UA IAH-BON MAY 0.3>0.1
UA IAH-BZE MAY 3>1.8
UA IAH-CUN MAY 7>6
UA IAH-CZM MAY 1.0>0.7
UA IAH-GCM MAY 1.2>0.7
UA IAH-LIR MAY 1.4>1.9 JUN 1.8>2
UA IAH-MBJ JUN 1.0>1.2
UA IAH-MGA MAY 1.9>1.5
UA IAH-NAS MAY 0.9>1.1 JUN 1.1>1.2
UA IAH-PUJ MAY 0.2>0.5 JUN 0.6>0.8
UA IAH-PVR MAY 1.3>1.5
UA IAH-RTB MAY 0.7>0.5
UA IAH-SAL MAY 2>3
UA IAH-SAP MAY 1.1>1.0
UA IAH-SJD MAY 3>1.9
UA IAH-SJU MAY 1.3>1.5
UA LAX-CUN JUN 1.9>3
UA LAX-PVR MAY 0.3>0.1
UA LAX-SJD MAY 1.2>0.5 JUN 1.3>1.1
UA ORD-CUN MAY 1.5>1.7 JUN 1.7>1.9
UA ORD-FCO JUN 0.8>1.0
UA ORD-JAN APR 1.7>1.0
UA ORD-NAS MAY 0.4>0.3
UA SFO-ATL FEB 1.0>1.7
UA SFO-CTU JUN 0.4>0.6
UA SFO-CUN MAY 1.3>1.5
UA SFO-MSY JUN 0.9>0
UA SFO-PVR MAY 0.5>0.6
UA SFO-SJD MAY 1.1>0.9 JUN 1.3>1.2
*UA SFO-TLV APR 0>0.4 MAY 0>0.4 JUN 0>0.4
*UA SFO-XIY MAY 0>0.4 JUN 0>0.4

VB CMH-CUN APR 0.1>0 MAY 0.2>0 JUN 0.1>0
VB EWR-CUN FEB 0.1>0 MAR 0.1>0 APR 0.1>0 MAY 0.2>0 JUN 0.1>0

?
*WN PIT-STL MAR 0>0.7
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/15/2015: AA/B6/DL/UA

Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:04 pm

QR's disappeared flights to ORD and DFW remain gone from the schedule...
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/15/2015: AA/B6/DL/UA

Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:09 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):

This is still very interesting....... I wonder... I wonder...
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RE: OAG Changes 10/15/2015: AA/B6/DL/UA

Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:19 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA DCA-EYW

Interesting...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA MIA-FRA

What a shame.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
QR's disappeared flights to ORD and DFW remain gone from the schedule...

This is beyond strange.
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RE: OAG Changes 10/15/2015: AA/B6/DL/UA

Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:27 pm

Oh American.. Just make EYW from DCA a year round flight... I am positive it can manage 140 seats a day.. And that will allow the pleasure of avoiding cluster-f which is called MIA
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RE: OAG Changes 10/15/2015: AA/B6/DL/UA

Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:34 pm

Quoting B757capt (Reply 2):

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):

This is still very interesting....... I wonder... I wonder...
Quoting Miami (Reply 3):
This is beyond strange.

Someone on a.net IM'd me that they contacted them to tell them about the problem. The guess is that they used an A350 equipment code unapproved by IATA. It may be that it only impacts distribution sites that don't get the schedules directly from QR or is cross-fed from their internal RES. Are they on Sabre? Regardless, it should negatively impact bookings.

Quoting Miami (Reply 3):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA DCA-EYW

Interesting...

It's been flown before but not daily, correct? Or am I thinking of LGA? It's strange that it is being loaded into the schedule this late. Wouldn't that be a strong Holiday market?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/15/2015: AA/B6/DL/UA

Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:56 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 3):

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA DCA-EYW

Interesting...

This was done before under PMUS right?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 BOS-RIC MAR 5>4 APR 5>4 MAY 5>4

Smart move - 5 E190's seemed a bit of an overkill along side the three lawn darts from DL.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 BOS-CHS APR 1.1>2.0 MAY 1.0>1.8

Proof that sometimes "you build it and they will come". I wonder if the recent flooding with affect this route though.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL BOS-CUN JAN 0.3>0.4

They are running this daily from 12/19/15-1/9/16 I don't know why they would even do the first week in January.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
MU JFK-PVG MAR 1.8>2.0 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2

There's going to be some ridiculous fares from this addition...... and they say the ME3 undercuts the market.
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RE: OAG Changes 10/15/2015: AA/B6/DL/UA

Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:58 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 4):
And that will allow the pleasure of avoiding cluster-f which is called MIA

Come on now - its a domestic-domestic connection. I flew BOS-MIA-EYW and it was smooth sailing the whole way.
Airlines flown: A3, AA, AC, AF, AM, BA, B6, CA, CO, CX, DL, EA, EL, IB, LH, MI, MQ, NH, NW, NZ, OU, PE, QF, S4, SQ, TP, UA, US, VS, WE, WN

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RE: OAG Changes 10/15/2015: AA/B6/DL/UA

Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:10 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 6):
This was done before under PMUS right?

Yes. US Airways express.

Quoting enilria (Reply 5):
It's been flown before but not daily, correct? Or am I thinking of LGA?

No, you are correct. 5 weekly.

Quoting enilria (Reply 5):
Wouldn't that be a strong Holiday market?

Most likely, yes.

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 7):
Come on now - its a domestic-domestic connection. I flew BOS-MIA-EYW and it was smooth sailing the whole way.

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RE: OAG Changes 10/15/2015: AA/B6/DL/UA

Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:17 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 6):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 BOS-CHS APR 1.1>2.0 MAY 1.0>1.8

Proof that sometimes "you build it and they will come". I wonder if the recent flooding with affect this route though.

Charleston, while it did receive some flooding and massive rainfall, wasn't affected nearly as badly as the Columbia area. Fortunately not enough to affect route performance.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/15/2015: AA/B6/DL/UA

Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:47 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 8):
Quoting enilria (Reply 5):
It's been flown before but not daily, correct? Or am I thinking of LGA?

No, you are correct. 5 weekly.

Quoting enilria (Reply 5):
Wouldn't that be a strong Holiday market?

Most likely, yes.

Then I wonder why the late start...it's pretty warm in DEC/JAN in EYW.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/15/2015: AA/B6/DL/UA

Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:01 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AS SEA-JNU JAN 2.0>3 FEB 3>4 MAR 2>3 APR 3>4

I wonder what's so bad about MAR in this market, with one less frequency each day versus FEB/APR? Runway work?

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RE: OAG Changes 10/15/2015: AA/B6/DL/UA

Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:05 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 11):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AS SEA-JNU JAN 2.0>3 FEB 3>4 MAR 2>3 APR 3>4

I wonder what's so bad about MAR in this market, with one less frequency each day versus FEB/APR? Runway work?

-Dave

IDK, but I wondered if this has to do with DL. It might be some non-daily service that creates a rounding effect in MAR if there is an extra weekend.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/15/2015: AA/B6/DL/UA

Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:30 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA MIA-FRA MAY 0.6>0 JUN 1.0>0

Very sad, but not unexpected. AA abandoned the German market long ago. For several years before the merger they only offered DFW-FRA with unreliable 767 and outdated hard product, same equipment they operated from MIA.
On the 'German Aviation Thread' it was posted American Airlines is now heavily advertising in the Mannheim / Heidelberg area, about 1 hour south of Frankfurt. Well, it's about time!
German Aviation Thread - Part 4 (by American 767 Apr 23 2015 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: OAG Changes 10/15/2015: AA/B6/DL/UA

Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:43 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):

QR's disappeared flights to ORD and DFW remain gone from the schedule...


The disappearance of DFW and ORD is an error.

Also, QR's second daily JFK-DOH flight has been pushed back to an April start.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/15/2015: AA/B6/DL/UA

Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:44 pm

Good seeing MIA-FRA being dropped. Never made sense to fly that when CLT already handles it.
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RE: OAG Changes 10/15/2015: AA/B6/DL/UA

Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:48 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA SFO-MSY JUN 0.9>0

Is this typical?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/15/2015: AA/B6/DL/UA

Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:54 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL DTW-PLN JAN 1.7>0.7 FEB 1.8>0.8 MAR 1.7>0.3 APR 1.7>0 MAY 1.9>0 JUN 3>2

IIRC there will be runway construction during that time.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/15/2015: AA/B6/DL/UA

Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:31 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*WN PIT-STL MAR 0>0.7

Interesting. WN taking the route that AX and AA abandoned. Wonder if WN will ever at BDL - PIT as well.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/15/2015: AA/B6/DL/UA

Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:41 pm

Quoting ericm2031 (Reply 16):

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA SFO-MSY JUN 0.9>0

Is this typical?

It was seasonal this past year. Did not operate from June - late September. It wasn't seasonal until WN announced MSY-OAK, mind you.
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Sun Oct 11, 2015 7:08 pm

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 17):
IIRC there will be runway construction during that time

Looks to still be bookable...I need to go there in May and would rather fly to PLN than TVC...
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/15/2015: AA/B6/DL/UA

Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:02 pm

Quoting tom11 (Reply 18):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*WN PIT-STL MAR 0>0.7

Interesting. WN taking the route that AX and AA abandoned. Wonder if WN will ever at BDL - PIT as well.

But why only MAR? There must be more of a story on this.
 
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Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:13 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AC DTW-YYZ NOV 4>3

Pretty big capacity increase -- from 3xBE1 & DH1 (91 seats) to 3xCRJ (150 seats).

AC likes to toss the CRJ on this route, then switch it back to BE1. They've issued at least two press releases within the past decade that have mentioned the upgrade to "all jet." Of course, Downtown Toronto is a 3.5-4.5 hour drive from Metro Detroit (depending on traffic) and 30-50 minutes from YYZ, so few people will actually choose to fly this route.
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Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:48 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 21):
But why only MAR?

Starts then and the WN booking window is only open until April 11. So I guess that is why it only shows Mar.
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Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:18 pm

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 23):
Quoting enilria (Reply 21):
But why only MAR?

Starts then and the WN booking window is only open until April 11. So I guess that is why it only shows Mar.

Maybe. Still odd.
 
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Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:14 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 4):
Oh American.. Just make EYW from DCA a year round flight... I am positive it can manage 140 seats a day.. And that will allow the pleasure of avoiding cluster-f which is called MIA

When I was on the flight it was on a 170 and restricted to 55 or so people coming out of EYW. Most sane people avoid EYW from July through early September. Between potential hurricanes and 90 degree temps with 90% humidity, it's one of the more uncomfortable places to be during that time of year. The rest of the year, I agree that it could probably work. I wonder how much more of a restriction it would take to get to PHL from EYW.
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:08 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
How long did that strategy last?
**DL MCO-BSB FEB 0.5>0.3 MAR 0.4>0 APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.4>0 JUN 0.4>0

DL put BSB to be served nonstop from the cheapest market possible. What I like about this stuff is when some a.netter comes out saying airlines do due diligence and "know" what they are doing. Yeah, right....
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:28 am

Quoting tom11 (Reply 18):
Interesting. WN taking the route that AX and AA abandoned. Wonder if WN will ever at BDL - PIT as well.

I think it's more about the STL side strength and my guess is STL-CLE would be added (back) at some point before a BDL-PIT. WN can funnel some connections through STL. The once daily is ideal for Pittsburgh pax heading to St. Louis as connection works out better that way, even though WN might have greater share of business customers living in St. Louis area than Pittsburgh area.

I see a lot of advance $83-87 WGA fares on PIT-STL (1-stops included), vs. the $125-$133 WGA fares on PIT-MDW. WN is also trying to stimulate the PIT STL market even before the nonstop launches.
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:47 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-CIU JAN 1.9>1.1 FEB 1.9>1.0 MAR 1.9>1.0 APR 1.8>1.0 MAY 1.9>1.0
*DL DTW-PLN JAN 1.7>0.7 FEB 1.8>0.8 MAR 1.7>0.3 APR 1.7>0 MAY 1.9>0 JUN 3>2

Both of these are EAS routes with the current agreement that expires 1/31/2016. The current terms are for DL via 9E to operate 13 CRJ flights/week on DTW-CIU and 12-14 flights/week on DTW-PLN depending on the season.

During peak summer travel season, DL has actually operated up to 28 CRJ flights/week on DTW-PLN due to the heavy summer tourism / second home / retiree demand into Northern Michigan.

I'm not familiar with the whole proceed for renewing EAS agreements and/or the current filings, but the reduction in flights for sale may be reflective of that. (Calling knoope2001 resident EAS expert).
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:55 am

Quoting rtalk25 (Reply 27):
I think it's more about the STL side strength and my guess is STL-CLE would be added (back) at some point before a BDL-PIT. WN can funnel some connections through STL. The once daily is ideal for Pittsburgh pax heading to St. Louis as connection works out better that way, even though WN might have greater share of business customers living in St. Louis area than Pittsburgh area.

AA (I believe it was American Eagle) also operated BDL-STL for quite a few years, before they de-hubbed STL. It would be nice to see WN bring back BDL-STL, as well.
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:40 am

Quoting incitatus (Reply 26):
DL put BSB to be served nonstop from the cheapest market possible. What I like about this stuff is when some a.netter comes out saying airlines do due diligence and "know" what they are doing. Yeah, right....

So this thing operates for like 5 weeks? They must have taken no bookings. Like I had said, the point of sale is on the wrong end.
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:39 am

Quoting tom11 (Reply 29):
AA (I believe it was American Eagle) also operated BDL-STL for quite a few years, before they de-hubbed STL. It would be nice to see WN bring back BDL-STL, as well.

WN could add it, as competition has been clear on that route for a long time.

The one downsize is it's longer than STL-CMH/CLE/PIT in stage length. A STL to BDL pax might be ok with connecting in BWI, one more hub in addition to MDW, but a STL to PIT or CLE pax would feel something's off with their choice in backtracking through BWI. However I do see a few times where WN will sell specifically those types of itineries, e.g. fly to BWI only to fly back inland. e.g. MKE-BWI-PIT.

With a focus city in MKE, I've wondered if it'd offer a PIT-MKE, and maybe do something similar by stimulating the local market with lower fares (like $87 WGAs). Some leisure customers might choose this flight to reach Chicago area if priced lower than PIT-ORD/MDW. OneJet however is providing PIT-MKE/IND flights.
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:12 pm

Quoting silentbob (Reply 25):
When I was on the flight it was on a 170 and restricted to 55 or so people coming out of EYW. Most sane people avoid EYW from July through early September. Between potential hurricanes and 90 degree temps with 90% humidity, it's one of the more uncomfortable places to be during that time of year. The rest of the year, I agree that it could probably work. I wonder how much more of a restriction it would take to get to PHL from EYW.

Believe it or not, the weight restriction on DCA-EYW is more the exception than the rule. The vast majority of the time, they're set to take all 69 seats filled.
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:06 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 30):
So this thing operates for like 5 weeks? They must have taken no bookings. Like I had said, the point of sale is on the wrong end.

This cannot be hard to sell in January - even with the US dollar at R$4. It is limited supply too with a 757 4x week. JJ has 3 or 4 x daily to MCO in January.

DL concluded the obvious. It will not make money on an annual basis. The Brazilian economy will recover, but not next year. Many of the high-fare but thin O&Ds it can sell with Gol will be triple connect, e.g., MAO-BSB-MCO-ATL-NRT. The nonstop will be give-away. The single connects that exist through MCO will have to be fought with AA at MIA and often with Copa at PTY.

If DL does not return for Summer, this closes the chapter of DL in Brazil's secondary destinations that started in 2008 when Brazil made available more frequencies and DL got in like a hungry truck driver in an all-you-can-eat $4.99 Chinese buffet. DL for FOR - THAT was insane.
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:14 pm

MCO-BSB flopped so quickly .... that's a real dartboard .... Launching non hub to non hub thinking GOL can handle south end point is sale .... Sigh
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:23 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAH-BON MAY 0.3>0.1
UA IAH-BZE MAY 3>1.8
UA IAH-CUN MAY 7>6
UA IAH-CZM MAY 1.0>0.7
UA IAH-GCM MAY 1.2>0.7
UA IAH-LIR MAY 1.4>1.9 JUN 1.8>2
UA IAH-MBJ JUN 1.0>1.2

These are routes that WN will be commencing on 15 October out of HOU , except CZM. Mostly leisure stuff that UA heretofore had a monopoly on out of the Houston market and priced accordingly. I've seen prices for winter travel to Mexico out of IAH drop from a normal of $500 r/t to sub $300 range this year. Interesting what some competition will do for you.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/15/2015: AA/B6/DL/UA

Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:46 pm

Quoting incitatus (Reply 33):
If DL does not return for Summer,
Quoting a380787 (Reply 34):
MCO-BSB flopped so quickly

DL removed the Summer schedule. I'm sure they don't plan to return if they made that decision.

Quoting IAHWorldFlyer (Reply 35):
These are routes that WN will be commencing on 15 October out of HOU

WN is adding BON???? I must have missed that.
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:38 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 36):
WN is adding BON????

Lol, no they are not adding it.
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:03 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 36):
WN is adding BON???? I must have missed that.

No, sorry, highlighted one too many. WN does fly to Aruba from HOU though I think.

Just drove down the Gulf Freeway near Hobby at lunch time. WN has about 6 billboards up advertising the new international destinations they are starting. I particularly liked one that said "Cancun by noon".
 
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Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:14 am

Quoting floridaflyboy (Reply 32):
Believe it or not, the weight restriction on DCA-EYW is more the exception than the rule. The vast majority of the time, they're set to take all 69 seats filled.

The problem is that you can't know when it's going to be weight restricted until just before the flight and involuntarily denying boarding to 20% of the passengers get's to be quite expensive.

Quoting IAHWorldFlyer (Reply 35):
These are routes that WN will be commencing on 15 October out of HOU , except CZM. Mostly leisure stuff that UA heretofore had a monopoly on out of the Houston market and priced accordingly. I've seen prices for winter travel to Mexico out of IAH drop from a normal of $500 r/t to sub $300 range this year. Interesting what some competition will do for you.

WN is starting from HOU: SJD, PVR, MEX, CUN, SJO, LIR, MBJ, and CUN. AUA is seasonal nonstop from HOU, but may go daily with the next schedule extension.
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Tue Oct 13, 2015 3:10 am

I wonder if Delta is going to start MCO-BSB at all, because on most dates now only selling full-fare J.
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Tue Oct 13, 2015 3:19 am

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 39):
WN is starting from HOU: SJD, PVR, MEX, CUN, SJO, LIR, MBJ, and CUN. AUA is seasonal nonstop from HOU, but may go daily with the next schedule extension.

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Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:07 am

Quoting IAHWorldFlyer (Reply 38):
Just drove down the Gulf Freeway near Hobby at lunch time. WN has about 6 billboards up advertising the new international destinations they are starting. I particularly liked one that said "Cancun by noon".

It's weird to see airlines doing destination ads these days. Feels like the old days I'm sure.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 40):
I wonder if Delta is going to start MCO-BSB at all, because on most dates now only selling full-fare J.

Is it possible they never intended to fly it? It was just intended to cause somebody else to blink?
 
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Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:05 pm

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 28):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):DL DTW-CIU JAN 1.9>1.1 FEB 1.9>1.0 MAR 1.9>1.0 APR 1.8>1.0 MAY 1.9>1.0
*DL DTW-PLN JAN 1.7>0.7 FEB 1.8>0.8 MAR 1.7>0.3 APR 1.7>0 MAY 1.9>0 JUN 3>2
Both of these are EAS routes with the current agreement that expires 1/31/2016. The current terms are for DL via 9E to operate 13 CRJ flights/week on DTW-CIU and 12-14 flights/week on DTW-PLN depending on the season.

During peak summer travel season, DL has actually operated up to 28 CRJ flights/week on DTW-PLN due to the heavy summer tourism / second home / retiree demand into Northern Michigan.

I'm not familiar with the whole proceed for renewing EAS agreements and/or the current filings, but the reduction in flights for sale may be reflective of that. (Calling knoope2001 resident EAS expert).

SkyWest was awarded the flying, 13x/week to CIU and 14x/week to PLN. Sault Ste Marie closed for a time late last spring to resurface runways so I doubt they would have similar need to close this year. I'm not finding anything on either airport getting reduced or suspended service for any reason this year, and they both enplane reasonably well. I wonder if perhaps there's some quirk here. DL still shows 2x to both, though airline websites often take a little time to synch with these OAG reports, of course.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/15/2015: AA/B6/DL/UA

Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:19 pm

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 43):
DL still shows 2x to both, though airline websites often take a little time to synch with these OAG reports, of course.

The OAG report is typically two weeks behind DL's own schedule update.
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Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:48 pm

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 44):
Quoting knope2001 (Reply 43):
DL still shows 2x to both, though airline websites often take a little time to synch with these OAG reports, of course.

The OAG report is typically two weeks behind DL's own schedule update.

Actually they have been doing Friday night schedule loads lately and those appear here on Sunday, but they can update any day they wish.

No idea what is going on with those two markets, but that's the way it was filed as of the day OAG updated.
 
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Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:49 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 42):

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 40):
I wonder if Delta is going to start MCO-BSB at all, because on most dates now only selling full-fare J.

Is it possible they never intended to fly it? It was just intended to cause somebody else to blink?

I don't think their less than daily 752 would really cause anyone to blink

They should've kept it at ATL or just cancel the whole thing. MCO-BSB sounds good on paper but too heavily titled towards Brazillian POS for DL to work (and no, GOL won't do the heavy lifting)
 
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Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:50 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 45):
Actually they have been doing Friday night schedule loads lately and those appear here on Sunday, but they can update any day they wish.No idea what is going on with those two markets, but that's the way it was filed as of the day OAG updated.

Usually if there's any change in service pattern of any sort to what's been contracted there's documentation back and forth, and I'm not seeing anything on this out there. Given that the new 2-year bid period starts in early 2016 it also could be possible that there's an alternate service pattern where (for example) Pellston agreed to 9x/week in winter in exchange for getting 20x/week during the summer peak, but again there's nothing in the 2016-2018 bid which SkyWest made about that, plus there would need to be community approval for that. Again, none of that stuff in the online docket repository for either airport.

For whatever reason there have been occasional oddities in the OAG thread for some of these EAS markets, INL and APN come to mind as having shown up in the last year or two with cuts that appeared to drop below EAS minimums. But ultimately they operated the 13x/week (or whatever was required). One possible guess is that these being at-risk flying for the regional perhaps they are handled differently than the rest of the schedules, but that's only a guess.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/15/2015: AA/B6/DL/UA

Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:59 pm

Quoting floridaflyboy (Reply 32):
Believe it or not, the weight restriction on DCA-EYW is more the exception than the rule. The vast majority of the time, they're set to take all 69 seats filled.

I've only looked at that one as an option a handful of times, that's good to know

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 39):
The problem is that you can't know when it's going to be weight restricted until just before the flight and involuntarily denying boarding to 20% of the passengers get's to be quite expensive.

It seems like AA and US have had very different ways of handling the restrictions out of EYW. US booked every seat and AA restricted the sale of the seats, at least during the times that I have flown out of there. It will be interesting to see which philosophy wins out over the long term.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/15/2015: AA/B6/DL/UA

Tue Oct 13, 2015 3:03 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL SLC-GJT NOV 1.9>1.1 DEC 1.9>0.9 JAN 1.8>1.0 FEB 1.9>1.0 MAR 1.9>1.0 APR 1.8>1.0 MAY 1.8>1.0 JUN 1.9>1.0

I am thinking this is the pilot shortage? These flights are always high fares and a huge link for people out there. Maybe an upsize is down the road. 1x but a larger plane is the long term answer? A reduction in November is REALLY short notice don't ya think?

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