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RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:16 pm
by AA767400
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 49):
It has alright! Azul began increasing capacity during the market downturn, which initiated a race to the bottom for the whole market. Nowadays you're able to book Brazil-US-Brazil cheaper than transcons in the US if you pay attention.

I don't live in Brazil, so no, I wouldn't be paying attention to your real fares.

The fact that AA has eliminated JFK-VCP, and decreased MIA-VCP, obviously Azul isn't much of a threat. Add Brazil's economy, and VCP isn't looking so hot anymore.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:59 pm
by mham001
Quoting enilria (Reply 43):
The point is either it isn't a "rumor" since it has already happened in OAG, or it should be properly attributed.

I did not know that news and/or rumor were copyrighted. How silly.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:26 pm
by N62NA
Quoting RemoFlyer (Thread starter):
AA is adding a morning JFK LHR flight on the 772

I wonder if that means BA will eliminate one of their two JFK-LHR morning flights. Also, it's a bit confusing at this point as to whether the 772 will be the version without F or the version with F.

BTW... I'm a "MIA person" too, but I realize MIA isn't the be all and end all.  

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:49 am
by HPRamper
Quoting Miami (Reply 32):
If Africa, AA already said MIA will be it's gateway to Africa.

To South Africa yes. Northern Africa is different. JFK would almost certainly be the hub linked to somewhere like CMN for instance.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:20 am
by Miami
Quoting HPRamper (Reply 53):

Scott Kirby said Africa. He didn't say North or South.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:34 am
by flymia
Not surprised by MIA-FRA cut, its so heavy German originating, no way was AA going to compete with LH.

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 26):
The only way LAX-AKL would qualify as ULH is if the crew decided to fly in circles for a couple of hours part way across the Pacific.

LAX-AKL often hits close to 12 hours. To most people that is a really long flight.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:43 am
by OB1504
Quoting irishayes (Reply 41):
People are entitled to create their own threads to discuss specific topics/routes that are of interest rather than have to sift through a long thread for information that may be buried.

   I sometimes peruse the OAG threads but I would've been unaware of these AA cuts if a separate thread hadn't been made.

Quoting eal (Reply 44):
MIA-FRA was bound to fail, it was doing poorly for a while. Especially considering Air Berlins flights to TXL and DUS, more then enough OneWorld capacity to Germany.

AB dropped TXL around the time AA started FRA and isn't resuming it until next month. I wonder if part of the reason for the failure was AA's thoroughly uncompetitive hard product: 25-year-old non-retrofit cabin 767s versus LH's new A380s.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:47 am
by HPRamper
Quoting flymia (Reply 55):
LAX-AKL often hits close to 12 hours. To most people that is a really long flight.

Certainly very long haul.
Just not ULH which has the bar set at 14 hours.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:50 am
by gdg9
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 35):
You just read the DFW International Loads threads (which are innaccurate I might add) and then parrot false data.

Nice try, but not quite. As you've brought this up now in anothe thread, let's set the record straight. Each month we estimate loads for 12-15 carriers. Only EY has been debated over the past few months, and this month, the numbers seemed more in line with expectations. Almost every other carrier has been shown to be quite close to the actual numbers.

And again, the estimates are calculated with data provided direclty from DFW Airport. No guarantee they are 100%, but I think its fair to say that the vast majority of the estimates are quite good. Yes, EY had some issues in the past and debate, but to paint them all as inaccurate is a bit much.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:10 am
by LAX772LR
Quoting a320fan (Reply 48):
Tell that to EK who flew the 77W on DXB-LAX-DXB for years until it went A380.

SV still flies it on LAX-JED, which is even longer.


Quoting HPRamper (Reply 57):
Just not ULH which has the bar set at 14 hours

There's no official nor standardized definition for "ULH."

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:35 am
by a3xx900
Why the cancellation of MIA-FRA? I have been on that flight in August, both legs were 100% full.
How was the load in general?

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:56 am
by runway23
Quoting N62NA (Reply 52):
I wonder if that means BA will eliminate one of their two JFK-LHR morning flights. Also, it's a bit confusing at this point as to whether the 772 will be the version without F or the version with F.

In AA speak:

777 - old configuration with F cabin
772 - new cabin without F cabin
77W - 777-300ER

In this case, it will be a 772. The BA flight that leaves JFK at 0715 (BA180) and (BA181) leaves LHR at 1900 will be eliminated.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:49 am
by a3xx900
Quoting OB1504 (Reply 56):
AB dropped TXL around the time AA started FRA and isn't resuming it until next month. I wonder if part of the reason for the failure was AA's thoroughly uncompetitive hard product: 25-year-old non-retrofit cabin 767s versus LH's new A380s.

But a huge price difference. As I said, both legs in August I was on were 100% full.
At our time of booking the roundtrip was about EUR 650 incl. tax. The LH fare was about double that and all other options with stopovers were around EUR 900-1000.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:38 am
by a320fan
Well that pricing anecdote just shows that yields were trash.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:59 am
by commavia
Quoting RemoFlyer (Thread starter):
In addition to the two cancellations (rumor has it VCP is going seasonal), AA is adding a morning JFK LHR flight on the 772 numbered as AA 142 dep JFK 10 am arr LHR 10pm, with the return AA 141 dep LHR at 7pm arr JFK 955pm.

Interesting - while the return of the fourth daily JFK-LHR isn't all that shocking (particularly since AA said it would be back once the 777s were reconfigured), and the westbound schedule is hardly unprecedented (AA has in the past had the last evening westbound departure LHR-JFK as late as 2005), I am a bit surprised by how late the eastbound departure is. 1000 eastbound is, to my knowledge, the latest AA has ever had (one of) its eastbound redeyes - even in the days when AA had two morning eastbounds, the latest was around 0930.

Quoting RemoFlyer (Thread starter):
AA is also about to announce two new ULH routes - my guesses would be LAX AKL as the inaugural 789 route next fall, and DFW AUH 4 weekly on the 77W.

I agree with others that it sounds like the momentum is building for LAX-AKL, as was alluded to by Parker at the LAX-SYD announcement and has been speculated about in the press for months. As has been discussed previously, I think this makes sense both in the context of AA building out its transpacific and overall presence at LAX, and given the boost it provides to the AA/QANTAS JV which is already the largest joint player in the U.S.-Australia overall but presently lacks a nonstop U.S.-New Zealand option despite the QANTAS/Jetstar domestic presence at AKL.

As for any hypothetical second longhaul route, I personally doubt AUH given the competitive and economic realities of a flight that long in a market that dominated by strong competitors. Others have speculated perhaps MIA-JNB - while I'd absolutely love that to be true given what an amazing place South Africa is and how strong a hub MIA is, I find that one far-fetched. Beyond those, though, the only other major longhaul prospects I could realistically imagine for AA would be in Asia - possibly MIA-NRT, PHL-NRT, LAX-PEK, LAX-ICN, but all of those have puts and takes as to plausibility.

Will be interesting to see if/when these routes are announced - hopefully as early as the earnings call if not sooner.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:11 pm
by JAAlbert
Quoting RemoFlyer (Reply 28):
One is almost certainly LAX AKL

I thought AA already announced this route.

One post mentioned a possibility of a 77W on MIA-JNB. Where is AA getting all the 77Ws to support such expansion?

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:22 pm
by airDFW
Quoting blink182 (Reply 46):
I realize you weren't the first mention in this thread, but the DFW-AUH "possibility" arose in a CAPA report about a year ago, maybe more, that made its way onto a thread here that mentioned AA had studied DFW-AUH at 4x weekly 77W. Any further speculation or findings from other sources likely stemmed from that same CAPA report. Personally, I think DFW-AUH at 4x weekly would be a dumb move on AA's part

Would it be dumb if they get JV with EY? Would the financial case is different in that case?

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:33 pm
by winginit
Quoting airDFW (Reply 66):
Would it be dumb if they get JV with EY? Would the financial case is different in that case?

That would obviously be an entirely different financial situation and framework.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:10 pm
by ThePinnacleKid
Really guys, Calm down!

A fast and rather simple search may yield more information before you all go speculating...

MIA-FRA was always intended to be a seasonal return... a fast search of AA's site lists it resuming May 12, 2016.

https://www.aa.com/i18n/aboutUs/newServiceRoutes.jsp#!international

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:22 pm
by usairways85
Quoting ThePinnacleKid (Reply 68):

MIA-FRA was always intended to be a seasonal return... a fast search of AA's site lists it resuming May 12, 2016.

The site says the return is "To be determined." And there is no speculating. Last week MIA-FRA was loaded in the reservation system for S16. Now, MIA-FRA is no longer loaded for S16.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:06 pm
by oc2dc
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 22):
I thought they should have done ZRH or FCO for a sixth Miami-Europe market. Both are smaller (but still large) markets, but better yielding (especially ZRH) with the traffic much more balanced out as opposed to Frankfurt which is so heavily German-originating.

AA runs JFK-ZRH-JFK half-full constantly. I doubt adding MIA-ZRH would be helpful for JFK loads.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:17 pm
by kiwiandrew
Quoting flymia (Reply 55):

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 26):
The only way LAX-AKL would qualify as ULH is if the crew decided to fly in circles for a couple of hours part way across the Pacific.

LAX-AKL often hits close to 12 hours. To most people that is a really long flight.

Having flown on this sector on numerous occasions I am aware that it is a lengthy flight, however, I would definitely not consider it ULH

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:23 pm
by winginit
Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 71):
Having flown on this sector on numerous occasions I am aware that it is a lengthy flight, however, I would definitely not consider it ULH

Agreed. At only 6,504 miles I don't think it even cracks the top 50 measured by distance? Certainly not the top 30

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:39 pm
by RyanairGuru
Quoting flymia (Reply 55):

12 hours isn't even close to being ULH.

14+ comes into ULH territory. Unfortunately there isn't an official definition, but that point is the one generally accepted. It is about the effective range of non-ULH aircraft such as 747s and 777s, whereas routes longer than that were unviable until the "ULH" 345 and 77L entered the market. The word didn't even exist until the creation of those two aircraft.

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 58):

The issue is that the data is presented as a accurate, and people who don't know better would believe it was official data. It has however been proven to be consistently wrong when official data is released, so either your methodology is flawed or you start with incomplete data. Either way the figures lack any credibility.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:44 pm
by winginit
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 73):
The issue is that the data is presented as a accurate, and people who don't know better would believe it was official data. It has however been proven to be consistently wrong when official data is released, so either your methodology is flawed or you start with incomplete data. Either way the figures lack any credibility.

The data is presented as an estimate with the source material of those estimates well documented. Whether or not someone isn't smart enough to take it as such is their problem.

Some carriers have shown discrepancies between T100 when it's released months later - others have not, so it's a bit dramatic to say that the entire set lacks credibility.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:11 am
by FXMD11
After talking to AA Senior Management here in MIA I got the answer that MIA-FRA was never supposed to be all year around and that it was only seasonal. According to them (AA Cargo Colleagues) it will be back Summer 2016.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 3:00 am
by gdg9
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 73):
The issue is that the data is presented as a accurate,

   Present one time where its been claimed to be 100% accurate, or anything other than an estimate based on the best available data. Good luck.

Quoting winginit (Reply 74):
The data is presented as an estimate with the source material of those estimates well documented. Whether or not someone isn't smart enough to take it as such is their problem.

Some carriers have shown discrepancies between T100 when it's released months later - others have not, so it's a bit dramatic to say that the entire set lacks credibility.

Spot on.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:22 am
by jacobin777
Quoting a320fan (Reply 48):
Quoting RemoFlyer (Reply 14):
LAX is too far for a 77W

Tell that to EK who flew the 77W on DXB-LAX-DXB for years until it went A380.

The flight however was a bit pax-restricted.

Now the B77L on the other hand...

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:35 pm
by 777ord
My money is on LAX-AKL and MIA-JNB.... For a while, my money was on MIA-TLV. But, clearly that went out the window sadly.

MIA-NRT would be attractive for sure. PHX is not likely.

Kirby hinted at his latest townhall that they are looking at ORD for intl expansion..... hmmm...

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:37 pm
by a380787
Quoting 777ord (Reply 78):
Kirby hinted at his latest townhall that they are looking at ORD for intl expansion..... hmmm...

That can mean anything =) An ERJ hop to some small town in Ontario province is technically international expansion

Before the Brazilian econ stagnation (to put it nicely), I believe ORD-GRU was in the cards. Now not so sure anymore.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:19 pm
by commavia
Quoting 777ord (Reply 78):
My money is on LAX-AKL and MIA-JNB

I agree that, based on the chatter here and elsewhere, combined with the discussion at the LAX-SYD announcement in June and the AA-QANTAS JV, AKL does, indeed, seem quite likely - and I think very likely from LAX.

As for MIA-JNB - South Africa is an incredible country with incredible people and, needless to say, incredible business and tourism potential. That being said, economic conditions at the moment - both in South Africa and more broadly/globally - wouldn't seem to favor a route that long to a still-developing country. I sincerely hope it happens, but I'm skeptical.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:05 pm
by N62NA
Quoting runway23 (Reply 61):
In AA speak:

777 - old configuration with F cabin
772 - new cabin without F cabin
77W - 777-300ER

In this case, it will be a 772.

Did AA say it would be 772? RemoFlyer typed it as 772 but that could be just his way of saying 777-200 will fly the route.

Quoting runway23 (Reply 61):
The BA flight that leaves JFK at 0715 (BA180) and (BA181) leaves LHR at 1900 will be eliminated.

Makes sense.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:27 pm
by RemoFlyer
Quoting N62NA (Reply 81):
Did AA say it would be 772? RemoFlyer typed it as 772 but that could be just his way of saying 777-200 will fly the route.

It is showing up as 772 i.e. refurbished 777-200ER with no FC.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:24 pm
by LipeGIG
AA may need to consider another HKG route.

DFW-HKG seems to be performing very well. I am trying to anticipate a flight this week and all is booked on J/F for the next 7 days!

As for MIAFRA, a 763 it is not in position to compete with LH !

Quoting RemoFlyer (Reply 82):

Right , as well as AA106 and AA104. Don't know where they will put the 2 77W

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:26 pm
by Miami
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 83):
As for MIAFRA, a 763 it is not in position to compete with LH !

Right? I remember saying the same thing when first announced.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:33 pm
by ty97
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 83):
Right , as well as AA106 and AA104. Don't know where they will put the 2 77W

106 and 104 change from 77W to 772 at the same time that AA launches LAX-SYD.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:59 pm
by klwright69
12 hour flights are long. But not ULH for sure. That is a title for flights that are like 14, 15, 16, 17 hours. I just took DOH-DFW, and we even had a medical divert. absolutely ULH. By the way, lots and lots of pax on DOH-DFW were transferring to AA flights.

DFW-AUH on a US carrier? I seriously doubt it. Very strong competition to DOH, DXB, and AUH. There is a reason US carriers have a small presence here. DOH and AUH don't even have US flag carriers. And as one who has been to both DOH and AUH, these are not large cities.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:14 am
by N62NA
Quoting RemoFlyer (Reply 82):
It is showing up as 772 i.e. refurbished 777-200ER with no FC.
Quoting ty97 (Reply 85):
106 and 104 change from 77W to 772

That's all very disappointing, not only no F but the J will be that awful forwards / backwards configured 772.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:14 am
by MAH4546
Quoting N62NA (Reply 87):
That's all very disappointing, not only no F but the J will be that awful forwards / backwards configured 772.

Plenty of us love sitting backwards in J, just like British Airways has been offering for well over a decade.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:21 am
by N62NA
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 88):
Plenty of us love sitting backwards in J.

And plenty of us don't.

So now that AA has gone forwards / backwards, they're offering an awful experience to those of us who hate sitting in those new backwards facing seats.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:24 am
by winginit
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 88):
Plenty of us love sitting backwards in J, just like British Airways has been offering for well over a decade.

UA as well I believe

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:42 am
by PRAirbus
AA MIÀ-FRA was not full all the time; during weekdays load factors were weak. AA cannot compete with LH using an ancient B763; dependability for that flight was horrible due to mechanicals...AA put a foot in its mouth by attempting success with an outdated plane. Too bad!

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:46 am
by MAH4546
Quoting N62NA (Reply 89):
So now that AA has gone forwards / backwards, they're offering an awful experience to those of us who hate sitting in those new backwards facing seats.

I'm confused. Half the seats face forward.

I prefer sitting backwards, but hey, it only matters what you like, right?

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:15 pm
by ThePinnacleKid
Quoting usairways85 (Reply 69):
The site says the return is "To be determined." And there is no speculating. Last week MIA-FRA was loaded in the reservation system for S16. Now, MIA-FRA is no longer loaded for S16.

No... the site says the return date...

the "To Be Determined" is the end date...

as of right now, May 12, 2016 is the return date for MIA-FRA.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:32 pm
by 777ord
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 83):
AA may need to consider another HKG route.

DFW-HKG seems to be performing very well. I am trying to anticipate a flight this week and all is booked on J/F for the next 7 days!

As for MIAFRA, a 763 it is not in position to compete with LH !

lol for real! I look on NRTP all the time and it's PACKED!!!! As much as a second daily HKG would be great to have. Sadly I don't think it's plausible...


AA has been wanting to expand within Asia. So, although MIA-NRT or something would be awesome, I'm thinking it may be an entirely new city.

My money is still on LAX-AKL

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:38 pm
by a380787
Quoting 777ord (Reply 94):
My money is still on LAX-AKL

that's not even a secret - AA publicly declared their intention before the actual launch, and UA has already launched a similar (not identical) route in anticipation of AA's launch

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:42 pm
by MAH4546
Quoting 777ord (Reply 94):
My money is still on LAX-AKL

LAXAKL is being announced.

There will be a second route alongside it that is going to be entirely unexpected and from left field. I don't know what it is, but that throws out MIANRT or PHLNRT or a number of others.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:14 pm
by Sightseer
Well this is going to be fun! I imagine that would rule out the following:

PHL/MIA/CLT/PHX-NRT
LAX-PEK/ICN/HKG
MIA-JNB
JFK-PEK/PVG
Maybe ORD-HKG, although three carriers would be a lot of service

I suppose that does leave DFW-AUH in the mix, among other routes   


I would post more, but there is some super weird formatting going on that I don't know how to fix.


[Edited 2015-10-14 12:16:33]

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:34 am
by SJOtoLIR
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 15):
MIA-FRA really didn't last long.

AA MIA-FRA was dropped in 1997. The airline resumed their regular services from March 2015.
LH FRA-MIA deploys the 388 in such route, which is entirely a very good product.




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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 22):
Porto Alegre will operate on its own as a redeye in both directions.

AA203 MIA2140 – 0849+1POA 763 x246
AA204 POA2220 – 0433+1MIA 763 x357

Effective: February 21 to March 16.




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Quoting C010T3 (Reply 23):
If MIA-VCP is to remain seasonal

CM PTY-VCP 7x weekly will end up on December 15.
Perhaps the usage of VCP as back-up for GRU wasn't a smart idea or maybe the financial situation in Brazil is deterring the profitability on AA MIA-VCP.

Regards.

RE: AA Cancels MIA FRA, MIA VCP, Adds One JFK LHR,

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:33 pm
by 777ord
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 96):
Quoting 777ord (Reply 94):
My money is still on LAX-AKL

LAXAKL is being announced.

There will be a second route alongside it that is going to be entirely unexpected and from left field. I don't know what it is, but that throws out MIANRT or PHLNRT or a number of others.

They would not be able to do phl on a LUS 330... So, unless they're gonna route a 777/787 on it, I don't see PHL happening....

Why, not LAX-MNL? I see DOZENS of MNL pax from our station flying to LAX on every single flight.