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Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:16 pm

I have not seen this on the Delta site yet but this came to my email. Can anyone verify ?

Delta has signed on to bring in eleven 777-200ERs, formerly operated by Singapore/Scoot. This adds to the 18 current 777-200ER/LRs in the Delta fleet. A largely unnoticed but significant fleet addition.

Tie this to Delta’s mentioned intention to feed China Eastern’s hub at Shanghai, along with their recent request to get back an Haneda slot recently released to American, and there is no question that Delta is going to continue to double-down on Asian growth. Given the expected growth – particularly in China-US traffic – it’s solid strategy.

Delta’s fleet planning bears watching. They have 12 remaining 747-400s, which is a number similar to the 777s just acquired. There’s a good chance that within the next 18 months, there will no longer be any 747s in US scheduled passenger fleets. United is the only other operator, and neither it nor Delta have shown any public interest in the 747-8.

Unlike American and United, Delta apparently is not a big proponent of the 787. It still has 20 787-8s on the books at Boeing, but given that the deliveries are not scheduled for another 4-5 years, it’s not real likely that these may see Delta colors. Certainly, it’s not likely that -8s are in the cards.

On the other hand Delta may be waiting to get performance numbers from the 787-10 and could switch orders. Or, it’s possible that Airbus has already filled that need with the A-350s that Delta has coming..

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Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:24 pm

Do these SQ birds have the small rear cargo door??
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:24 pm

Quoting reltney (Thread starter):
There’s a good chance that within the next 18 months, there will no longer be any 747s in US scheduled passenger fleets

UA has said that they may operate them past 2020 so not sure where whomever wrote the article is getting that from.

Quoting reltney (Thread starter):
have not seen this on the Delta site yet but this came to my email. Can anyone verify ?

Rumored on the DL widebody thread....

Quoting reltney (Thread starter):
They have 12 remaining 747-400s, which is a number similar to the 777s just acquired.

....Think we just sorted out what is replacing the 744 in DLs fleet.
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:24 pm

This answers the question of when DL is getting more 777's. I hope these are 777 that Singapore used to Europe and Australia and not the short hops to Jakarta and Kuala Lumpur.
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:28 pm

Earnings announcement is Wednesday morning, I suspect we may hear the fleet development plans then.
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:53 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 1):

Do these SQ birds have the small rear cargo door??


Those are the Cathay 772As

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Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:58 pm

If this turns out to be true, I'll be interested to see what DeltaOne seat they put in the fleet, the ones that are on the current 777s or the newer ones on the A330/744 fleet? I've heard that there will be a new seat introduced on the A350, so maybe a whole new seat.
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:02 pm

Is this a stop-gap until the A359s are delivered??
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:04 pm

Quoting flyabr (Reply 7):
Is this a stop-gap until the A359s are delivered??

I would say yes, but I would not be surprised if they make use of at least some of them for a bit longer.
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:08 pm

I imagine they'd use them until the end of their useful life.

I wonder if there'd be a possibility of some Airbus wide body deferrals.
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:08 pm

Quoting flyabr (Reply 7):
Is this a stop-gap until the A359s are delivered??

Rumor among some DL middle-management types is that the A350 order will be canceled, deferred, or converted (to what, I'm not sure) in favor of these 11 77Es. The rumor has it that this transaction is another, shall we say, gesture to the pilots in exchange for their rejection of the TA -- largely because management believes the A350 order made sense only under the TA scope provisions and other provisions.

I find all of that incredibly hard to believe. For starters, the A350 order was of course placed long before the DALPA MEC approved the TA. Instead, I am of the view that the 11 77Es could be used to accelerate 744 retirement or simply to grow the long-haul fleet, but the linkage of this transaction to the A350 order has been alarmingly persistent in my rumor mill . . . .

I look forward to Wednesday's earnings announcement for more clarity on DL's fleet plan.

[Edited 2015-10-12 12:10:07]

[Edited 2015-10-12 12:20:19]
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:14 pm

Quoting ThirtyWest (Reply 10):
Instead, I am of the view that the 11 77Es could be used to accelerate 744 retirement or simply to grow the long-haul fleet, but the linkage of this transaction to the A350 order has been alarmingly persistent in my rumor mill . . . .

Cancelling the A350 order only makes sense to me if Delta suddenly feels their CAPEX is too high and they need to reduce it as one imagines these 777-200ERs are a fair bit cheaper per frame then an A350-900.
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:20 pm

Quoting ThirtyWest (Reply 10):
Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):

DL cancelled an aircraft order this year to spite the voting results by pilots. http://m.atwonline.com/airframes/pil...ncel-order-40-737-900ers-20-e-190s
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:22 pm

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 12):
DL cancelled an aircraft order this year to spite the voting results by pilots.

True, but those orders were explicitly tied to the pilots approving said contract.

To my knowledge, the A330-900 and A350-900 order did not have such conditions attached to it. As such, if they do indeed cancel or defer it in whole or in part because the pilots did not approve the contract, that would be a new development.
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:29 pm

Keep in mind that come this winter, Delta is supposed to be down to 8 747s left in the fleet, and they've been maintenance hogs all summer. If these come online by Fall 2016, it could easily replace the scheduled 747s on a 1 for 1 basis, and it also allows SEA-HKG to really go daily with a full payload both above and below deck - something that the A330-200 couldn't reliably do. Add one as a spare for the fleet, and you've got pretty much an even replacement.
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:29 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
True, but those orders were explicitly tied to the pilots approving said contract.

To my knowledge, the A330-900 and A350-900 order did not have such conditions attached to it. As such, if they do indeed cancel or defer it in whole or in part because the pilots did not approve the contract, that would be a new development.

All correct. The additional 739ER and E-jet orders were expressly contingent on the pilots' ratification of the tentative collective agreement.

Modification or cancellation of A330 and/or A350 orders would indeed be a new development. Of course, because as far as anyone knows the purchase agreements for the Airbus widebody aircraft were not contingent on the pilots' ratification of the agreement, modification or cancellation of the Airbus orders would presumably be subject to some penalty or other payment by DL.

But, as we've seen, such penalties certainly haven't stopped dozens of airlines from canceling orders for hundreds and hundreds of airplanes over the years if the airlines deem it necessary.

The rumor in this case is that DL can reduce capex, engage in capacity discipline, and send a message to the pilots by adding 11 used 77Es instead of 25 new 359s.

[Edited 2015-10-12 12:31:34]
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:34 pm

What is the average age of these 11 ex -SQ 77E's?
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:35 pm

Quoting ThirtyWest (Reply 10):
The rumor has it that this transaction is another, shall we say, gesture to the pilots in exchange for their rejection of the TA -- largely because management believes the A350 order made sense only under the TA scope provisions and other provisions.

It seems management could have been granted the concessions of the TA and still decided that used 7772ERs are a better choice than are new A350s, no? Or did the TA bind DL to purchasing the A350s?
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:39 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 17):

It seems management could have been granted the concessions of the TA and still decided that used 7772ERs are a better choice than are new A350s, no?

That's a possibility, as well.
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:41 pm

If I had to place money I'd bet on deferrals rather than cancellations.

DL certainly doesn't mind having those deferred 787's on their books
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:43 pm

I wouldn't put it past DL management that these are related to either pilot contract talks or A350 order changes. To me the added 772s don't make sense in their fleet if they're just a stop-gap until the A359s/A339s arrive.

[Edited 2015-10-12 12:43:45]
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:43 pm

Huge news really, because DL's 777s (all widebodies?) are original DL/NW delivered. It directly mirrors DL's known pride in their Tech Ops ability to refurb third party aircraft into new-aircraft operational equivalents (a competitive edge for Delta). Add in today's low fuel price speculations, and there you go.

They may see used 772ER as a bargain (today's NW DC-10) to operate till 2030. It is a whole other strategy, yet it sounds very Delta-ish and somewhat credible.


[Edited 2015-10-12 12:51:55]
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:46 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 3):

They're ex-Scoot frames so they are the ones that were previously abused on regional routes by SQ. They're probably some of the highest cycle 777s in the world.
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:47 pm

This is another trademark DL move buying useful assets at very attractive prices especially when others want to dispose of them. They did the same with the B763s bought from Gulf Air in the 1990s, then with the MD90s from China Eastern few years ago.

I'm surprised though that they are not after KQ's entire B777 fleet which is also up for sale/lease !
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:48 pm

I wonder what this means to the deferred Dreamliner order...

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Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:49 pm

MH also has relatively middle aged RR 772 that will be available soon.
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:50 pm

Quoting ThirtyWest (Reply 18):
That's a possibility, as well.

Yes, although if you are unhappy with your pilots it is easier to blame the failure of the acceptance of the TA for political reasons....

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 19):
If I had to place money I'd bet on deferrals rather than cancellations.

As would I. The A350 order is slightly less than a year old and as mentioned never explicitly tied to the TA vote like the 40 739ERs were. Would be seem strange to cancel so quickly after ordering when its not like DL is quickly going bankrupt. If DL wanted to reduce CAPEX I see it more likely they will just push the order further out rather than get rid of it completely.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 20):
To me the added 772s don't make sense in their fleet if they're just a stop-gap until the A359s/A339s arrive.

Agreed. Remember DL is suppose to get A350s starting Q2 2017. Seems odd to acquire used 777s just to act a "stop-gap" for 1.5ish years. If the A350 order is not touched it is because DL wants quicker expansion, not a stop-gap.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 21):
Huge news really, because DL's 777s (all widebodies?) are original DL/NW delivered.

DL still has a few used 767s, but those were acquired in the mid to late 90s. This would be first time DL has acquired and operated used widebodies in decades.
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:56 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 26):
Seems odd to acquire used 777s just to act a "stop-gap" for 1.5ish years. If the A350 order is not touched it is because DL wants quicker expansion, not a stop-gap.

AFAIK they would never buy and refurb aircraft to operate them for 1.5 years. 8 years minimum. To depreciate all the seats and mods. As we know, DL(NW) seldom offloaded young aircraft; they fully time them out. So if this is true, it seems to be a major long term move--
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:56 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 23):
This is another trademark DL move buying useful assets at very attractive prices especially when others want to dispose of them

Give it a few years and there will be used A380s on the block.....
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:00 pm

And when EK retires some of their 777's i can see them being purchased by DL.
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:05 pm

Quoting reltney (Thread starter):
There’s a good chance that within the next 18 months, there will no longer be any 747s in US scheduled passenger fleets.

The UA statement aside I have a hard time seeing DL get rid of their 747s entirely in 2016/2017. I know they are maintenance hogs but the interiors are in good shape and with gas being low and the frames being paid off I think DL would squeeze everything out of these last half dozen or so. You're rationale is compelling though.

Quoting flyabr (Reply 7):
Is this a stop-gap until the A359s are delivered??

Hard to really see that as DL was due to get the A359s starting in 2017, no? Retrofitting a 777 for such a short period of time doesn't seem to be in-line with DL's modus operandi.

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 16):
What is the average age of these 11 ex -SQ 77E's?

4 of the Scoot frames were built in 1997, 1 in 1999, and 1 in 2001 - these 6 have been stored so I suspect they would be part of this order. Of the 77Es that are stored that did not go to Scoot it appears most 1998-2003 vintage.

Overall we are looking at ~13-19 year old aircraft by the time they arrive in 2016 but it appears the hours would be relatively low.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 22):
They're ex-Scoot frames so they are the ones that were previously abused on regional routes by SQ. They're probably some of the highest cycle 777s in the world.

Scoot was only launched in 2012 and these frames are all parked now so its not like they were able to add that many cycles in such a short time. Scoot isn't exactly short haul flying after all. I do not know if these were short haul 77Es from SQ that Scoot acquired or if they were the long haul frames (or both).

Clearly DL would use them for long haul transpacific flying so cycles are less of a concern than hours/age I suspect.

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Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:13 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 30):
The UA statement aside I have a hard time seeing DL get rid of their 747s entirely in 2016/2017. I know they are maintenance hogs but the interiors are in good shape and with gas being low and the frames being paid off I think DL would squeeze everything out of these last half dozen or so. You're rationale is compelling though.

Delta has stated during past earning calls that they plan to have the 747s retired by 2017. Considering how quickly DL has been getting rid of them despite the new interiors it appears that even in a low fuel environment DL is not making much money off of them. I'm not sure keeping around a half dozen or so planes that have little in common with the rest of your fleet makes the most financial sense. I'm guessing DL is going to reuse the seats for spares and what not for the A330 fleet or maybe put them in these potential 772s.
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:18 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 2):
UA has said that they may operate them past 2020 so not sure where whomever wrote the article is getting that from.

It all depends on the price of oil. If the price of oil rises very fast like it did a few years ago then they will start parking the 747s in the desert at a rate faster than we can type here.
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:31 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 30):
Hard to really see that as DL was due to get the A359s starting in 2017, no? Retrofitting a 777 for such a short period of time doesn't seem to be in-line with DL's modus operandi.

I hear ya...but how long is it gonna take for all 25 A359s to enter the fleet?
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:31 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 30):
The UA statement aside I have a hard time seeing DL get rid of their 747s entirely in 2016/2017. I know they are maintenance hogs but the interiors are in good shape and with gas being low and the frames being paid off I think DL would squeeze everything out of these last half dozen or so. You're rationale is compelling though.

Plus didn't Delta just buy a used 747-400 to park in the desert and use for more spare parts?
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:42 pm

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 14):
and it also allows SEA-HKG to really go daily with a full payload both above and below deck - something that the A330-200 couldn't reliably do.

There was nothing stopping that from happening at any point in the flight's existence.

DL's 777 fleet, though small, isn't exactly stretched... and they could make both eqp and capacity adjustments, to acquire one from another route.

The sad reality just seems to be that SEA-HKG, as cool as a route as it may be, just didn't seem to carry its own weight; sufficiently to maintain a daily schedule.
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:43 pm

" UA has said that they may operate them past 2020 so not sure where whomever wrote the article is getting that from"

UA did order the Boeing 787-10. I think the Boeing 787-10 is a good 747 replacement.
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:46 pm

Quoting DC10LOVER (Reply 36):
UA did order the Boeing 787-10. I think the Boeing 787-10 is a good 747 replacement.

UA has the 350-1000 as their 747 replacement.
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:51 pm

I wonder what the earliest timeline would be for these 777s to enter service?

I'm hoping that this acquisition will allow some of the 767-300ERs to be converted over to domestic use. However, it also seems good to have some aircraft available for expansion. DL is definitely being overshadowed by UA these days in terms of flying to cool new destinations.
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:51 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 35):
The sad reality just seems to be that SEA-HKG, as cool as a route as it may be, just didn't seem to carry its own weight; sufficiently to maintain a daily schedule.

Matter of time before this route is completely axed. CX has a better chance at making this route work i think.
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:52 pm

As posted in the United fleet thread, the drop dead date for the aircraft at UA is December 2018 when the nitrogen generation system for fuel tank inerting become mandatory on the fleet. To keep operating the fleet will require the upgrades.

In the mean time company published the following 747-400 retirement schedule.

N194UA - 9/15
N171UA - 11/15
N179UA - 6/16
N180UA - 8/16
N182UA - 2/17
N181UA - 9/17
N174UA - 12/17
N175UA - 5/18
N177UA - 10/18

Additionally N105UA is being moved off the schedule to conserve hours and will be the low utilization charter aircraft.
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" UA has the 350-1000 as their 747 replacement"

ok thank you.
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:57 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 21):
Huge news really, because DL's 777s (all widebodies?) are original DL/NW delivered.

I might have missed, but I do not remember NW taking delivery of any 777s
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:01 pm

All the more reason for UA to get a hold of UN's PW 777s that were there's to begin with anyway.
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:04 pm

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 42):
I might have missed, but I do not remember NW taking delivery of any 777s

Not very clear but just trying to say 777s are all DL delivery, A330s all NW, 744s I think all NW, 767 nearly all DL (apparently a few Gulf Airs in there).
 

Anyway, DL possibly deploying 3rd party, refurbed 777s is a big deal, no? Shows a lot of confidence in their MX
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:06 pm

Quoting DC10LOVER (Reply 29):
And when EK retires some of their 777's i can see them being purchased by DL.

There will be nor shortage of lightly used 77Es available in the coming years. I could see this DL strategy paying dividends if they get a compelling price. I am surprised more legacy long-haul carriers don't follow this strategy.

Quoting Polot (Reply 31):
Delta has stated during past earning calls that they plan to have the 747s retired by 2017.

Oh Ok, I thought the latest news was 2020.

Quoting Polot (Reply 31):
I'm guessing DL is going to reuse the seats for spares and what not for the A330 fleet or maybe put them in these potential 772s.

Solid point. Indeed they would be re-used. Still it seems that refurbishing the fleet wasn't a great idea if this plan comes to fruition.

Quoting flyabr (Reply 33):
I hear ya...but how long is it gonna take for all 25 A359s to enter the fleet?

Sure, but even then what would it be like 2019 before they were practically all on-board? EIS of these 777s will be late 2016 is my guess so that leaves less than 3 years to operate them if they were a stop gap. Still too short to pay off the refurb/cabin refit if you ask me. I have to think that they plan on ~7 years of minimum operation to rationalize the upfront costs.

So I do see another move based on these 777s - whether that is an A359 cancellation or deferment remains to be seen. The one thing I know, they will not be used solely for capacity growth unfortunately.

Quoting flyingclrs727 (Reply 34):
Plus didn't Delta just buy a used 747-400 to park in the desert and use for more spare parts?

News to me. Interesting.

Quoting FSDan (Reply 38):
I wonder what the earliest timeline would be for these 777s to enter service?

My guess is Summer 2016 would be the earliest. These aircraft do appear to be primarily stored at this point so that is a good thing.

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Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:16 pm

At the end of the day, will these 11 777E's, plus if Delta does take the new orders, ( minus retired 747's), will that net as fleet growth? Number of seats in the sky? ergo: leading to more routes or expansion of frequencies to top destinations?

What is Delta planning to do with it's enormous fleet of 767's? Are they here to stay forever (almost?). Delta without the 767 is like United with no 747's. Makes me uneasy.

I was a bit surprised by UA ordering the NEW 777-300's, but it seem to me that with those and the 787's and A350's coming to UA, that they will have grown their fleet. Or, is UA planning to park the 767-300's? (you know that the UA refurbished 767's look like they are brand new airplanes. (not that I love the decor) But, United puts those remaining 767-3 and 767-4 to good use.
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Delta Buys 11 B777 From Singapore?

Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:32 pm

Delta is to airplanes as Cuba is to cars...

  
 
rentonview
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Joined: Mon May 16, 2005 2:22 am

Delta Buys 11 B777 From Singapore?

Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:46 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 35):
The sad reality just seems to be that SEA-HKG, as cool as a route as it may be, just didn't seem to carry its own weight; sufficiently to maintain a daily schedule.

Has DL announced a schedule change for the SEA-HKG flight? It still looks to be daily: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL281
 
mark2fly1034
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Joined: Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:38 pm

Delta Buys 11 B777 From Singapore?

Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:42 pm

http://www.11alive.com/story/news/lo...cuated-due-possible-fire/73840802/

In other news the 747-800 is already in the delta fleet not sure what everyone is talking about.
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