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British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Tue Oct 13, 2015 5:04 am

I just saw on BA's website that they are moving some flights around at LHR. Any ideas what is prompting these moves? I assume moving flights out of T1 are because BA is vacating the space, but why moving some flights to T3?

http://www.britishairways.com/travel...lightops/public/en_us?p_faqid=4649
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RE: British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Tue Oct 13, 2015 5:43 am

T1 is closed and the last BA flight from there was in June. The remaining BA T1 flights all went to T3 then.
T3 was undergoing some modifications following the general shuffle round when new T2 opened and StarAlliance airlines moved from T3 to T2. These are complete now and the overcrowding in T5 can be solved by moving some long-haul flights that are mostly London O&D or connections to other OneWorld airlines.
 
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RE: British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:59 am

Quoting Andy33 (Reply 1):
T1 is closed and the last BA flight from there was in June. The remaining BA T1 flights all went to T3 then.
T3 was undergoing some modifications following the general shuffle round when new T2 opened and StarAlliance airlines moved from T3 to T2. These are complete now and the overcrowding in T5 can be solved by moving some long-haul flights that are mostly London O&D or connections to other OneWorld airlines.

Of course a long planned and smart move, but still not the perfect solution for the pax. Personally I totally dislike having to take the bus from T3 to T5 or v.v. when connecting at LHR. And according to the just published plans for LHR with the third runway there is no plan for a T5D.

So why not connect T3 to T5 by the underground airtrain?

And allow pax to travel freely in all directions and between piers?!


IMHO this would solve a lot of problems like overcrowding of T5A, overcrowding of the lounges, low usage of shops in the middle piers, additional security when connecting between the terminals, long bus rides with and the list goes on...
 
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RE: British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:04 am

Quoting CARST (Reply 2):
MHO this would solve a lot of problems like overcrowding of T5A, overcrowding of the lounges, low usage of shops in the middle piers, additional security when connecting between the terminals, long bus rides with and the list goes on...

Low usage of the shops on B & C would be helped if they just gave you the gate details at checkin. I know things 'are subject to change' but they do not change too often and if a change necessitates a change in satellite, well as long as the buses are not sold, those could be used to move passengers.
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RE: British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:51 am

Quoting Andy33 (Reply 1):
These are complete now and the overcrowding in T5 can be solved by moving some long-haul flights that are mostly London O&D or connections to other OneWorld airlines.

Routes also seem to have been chosen for integration of aircraft.

"The routes were chosen based on the integration of similar models of aircraft and to ensure we have enough baggage and parking stand facilities throughout the day for both arriving and departing flights."

http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/102101/ba-outgrows-heathrow-t5
 
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RE: British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:16 am

Quoting theginge (Reply 4):
Routes also seem to have been chosen for integration of aircraft.

"The routes were chosen based on the integration of similar models of aircraft and to ensure we have enough baggage and parking stand facilities throughout the day for both arriving and departing flights."

They are all B744s aren't they? (Apart from one A380 forthcoming on Miami). Hopefully the B744s are near enough identical to each other. But then, this is an airline whose October in-flight magazine states that the wing of the A320 is larger than the wing of the B744, so I guess we can conclude that BA is an airline that might not know too much about airliners.
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RE: British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:16 am

Quoting CARST (Reply 2):

So why not connect T3 to T5 by the underground airtrain?

How much time might this save? You'll still need to get to the train, wait for it, take it, get off, go up and back through security. It may take a bit of a more direct route, but I can't imagine it saves more than 5 minutes versus the bus, and the construction of it would quite likely be a very high cost.

There are also people connecting from, say, T2 to T5. It does happen. So either you need a train for that too (even more expensive), or have some connections be by train, and some by bus, which may cause a lot of confusion for many travelers.

Just thoughts.

[Edited 2015-10-13 02:18:03]
 
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RE: British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:28 am

Quoting CARST (Reply 2):
Of course a long planned and smart move, but still not the perfect solution for the pax. Personally I totally dislike having to take the bus from T3 to T5 or v.v. when connecting at LHR. And according to the just published plans for LHR with the third runway there is no plan for a T5D.

No but there's a T6 planned (or a new T1 depending how tidy minded you are). BA is way too big to get into one terminal now, that's the way it has to be going forward.

Quoting CARST (Reply 2):
So why not connect T3 to T5 by the underground airtrain?

It's a medium term ambition to demolish T3 and rebuild as per T5 layout. The new structure is planned to be so linked.

Quoting CARST (Reply 2):
low usage of shops in the middle piers, additional security when connecting between the terminals, long bus rides with and the list goes on...

Long bus rides become long train rides. The low usage of shops in T5B / C is intentional, they keep pax in T5A for as long as possible to promote retail footfall there.

Quoting hz747300 (Reply 3):
Low usage of the shops on B & C would be helped if they just gave you the gate details at checkin.

Again, they don't do this, and everyone involved is on board with it   The piers have the bare minimum of retail by design.
 
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RE: British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:29 am

Quoting steve6666 (Reply 5):

They are all the 52J (mid J) 747s, MIA was suppose to be a 747 but obviously changed along with the YVR for the winter schedule.

Should be intersting as T3 uses vulcans for cargo, while T5 does not.
 
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RE: British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:39 am

Quoting Gzbja (Reply 8):
Should be intersting as T3 uses vulcans for cargo, while T5 does not.

I thought the Vulcan had just done its last flight?
 
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RE: British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:46 am

Quoting hz747300 (Reply 3):
Low usage of the shops on B & C would be helped if they just gave you the gate details at checkin. I know things 'are subject to change' but they do not change too often and if a change necessitates a change in satellite, well as long as the buses are not sold, those could be used to move passengers.

I was on a flight delayed over 90 mins as pax had gone to the wrong satellitte, a delay that could have been avoided if they had stayed at A gates. It would be a operational nightmare to move pax between satellites by bus. Firstly how do you know how many pax to wait for and secondly you can't have buses going between terminals with just a couple of pax on them.

Also pax can not return to board a flight from A gates using the transit system as they would be required to clear flight connections and security again as they will have mixed with arriving pax
 
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RE: British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:27 am

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 10):
Also pax can not return to board a flight from A gates using the transit system as they would be required to clear flight connections and security again as they will have mixed with arriving pax

Yeah that's one big flaw with T5's design, the fact you can't go back and forth between the main terminal and the satellites
 
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RE: British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:31 am

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 10):
Also pax can not return to board a flight from A gates using the transit system as they would be required to clear flight connections and security again as they will have mixed with arriving pax

Hands up who knows the best little secret way back from T5B/C to A avoiding the transit? All perfecly allowed and good exercise after a long haul flight? You can of course walk back  
They don't adevrtise it but the old staff walkway is now open to the public. Go all the way to the bottom on the lifts at T5B / C. I think T5C still says "Staff Only" but that's not applicable. It's good for spotting if you have the time.





http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...al-guide-departing-passengers.html


[Edited 2015-10-13 03:36:54]
 
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RE: British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:58 pm

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 9):

Quickly correct myself before someone else does, T5 uses vulcans to carry cargo to the aircraft and T3 will use lorries to transport the cargo. The lorries have the cargo loaded in such a way that it doesn't offer much flexibility when trying to position units on the aircraft.
 
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RE: British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:34 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 12):
Hands up who knows the best little secret way back from T5B/C to A avoiding the transit?

I chose the walking option on Sunday when coming back from T5C.
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RE: British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:38 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 12):

Being smart I had second hand info that my flight to SEA was leaving from B gates.
Quickly scurried across, had a drink and started to relax to never see it appear on the departure boards and found out it was going from A.
Panicking I found out I couldn't get back until security told me about this way....
Sweaty palms and a bollocking from the missus about being to smart, arrogant...
Jeez it's a long walk...
 
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RE: British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:55 pm

Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 11):

Yeah that's one big flaw with T5's design, the fact you can't go back and forth between the main terminal and the satellites

You can but you have to give it legs :P
 
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RE: British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Tue Oct 13, 2015 3:36 pm

While we are on the subject of T5s satellites, how do you get between them? I have never been through LHR T5.
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RE: British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Tue Oct 13, 2015 3:40 pm

Quoting mpdpilot (Reply 17):



While we are on the subject of T5s satellites, how do you get between them? I have never been through LHR T5.

Either the transit train or walking. See Skips reply 12, he has stuck a link in.
 
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RE: British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Tue Oct 13, 2015 5:23 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 12):
Hands up who knows the best little secret way back from T5B/C to A avoiding the transit? All perfecly allowed and good exercise after a long haul flight? You can of course walk back
They don't adevrtise it but the old staff walkway is now open to the public. Go all the way to the bottom on the lifts at T5B / C. I think T5C still says "Staff Only" but that's not applicable. It's good for spotting if you have the time.





http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti....html

I didn't know about this. They don't publicise it at all.

TBH wouldn't be comfortable taking it while there are "staff only" signs.
 
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RE: British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Tue Oct 13, 2015 5:53 pm

It's fine to use it. There are even three moving walkways along the route to speed things up.
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RE: British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:49 pm

I hope it helps relieve the lounges in Terminal 5, but it may cause clogging of the BA lounges in 3, which are some of my favorite regardless of which oneworld carrier I am taking.

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RE: British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:37 am

Can a passenger with a confirmed ticket traveling on BA move freely within terminals 3 & 5 by bus? Or is it terminal specific?
 
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RE: British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:42 am

Quoting azncsa4qf744er (Reply 22):
Can a passenger with a confirmed ticket traveling on BA move freely within terminals 3 & 5 by bus? Or is it terminal specific?

I don't know what the official position is on this, but from my experience they kind of "check" your boarding pass before getting onto the bus to T3 (coming from T5). There is always staff before going down the stairs to the busses and sometimes there is also a staff member at the bottom of the stairs before entering the bus.

BUT I found out that they are not always check your BP, you just say "Hey I am on an AA to Miami." and they let you walk down the stairs and onto the bus... I made it onto the bus at least three times like this in the past 12 month, so I assume you can roam freely between the terminals if you play it smart...

And regarding going back, you can still play the "dumb tourist" card and say you got onto the wrong bus or whatever works well.
 
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RE: British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Wed Oct 14, 2015 9:51 am

Quoting CARST (Reply 23):
I made it onto the bus at least three times like this in the past 12 month, so I assume you can roam freely between the terminals if you play it smart...

Don't assume anything of the sort. Arrivals and departures are segragated so if you end up doing a T5 arrivals to T3, you're in Departures, with no way back to T5 without owning up. Unless you have a whole day to spend airside, I think one terminal is enough per trip in my experience.

You can't get back to Flight Connections from any departure level, any trip on Flight Connections drops you at Departures leaving you stuck.
 
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RE: British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Wed Oct 14, 2015 10:32 am

Quoting azncsa4qf744er (Reply 22):
Can a passenger with a confirmed ticket traveling on BA move freely within terminals 3 & 5 by bus? Or is it terminal specific?

The only offical way to rove between terminals is by taking advantage of the Heathrow Shopping service. Provided you have a spare 3 hours, HAL are prepared to take you to another terminal, with a HAL private shopper, to allow you access to the various shops in the other terminals. This is the only way.
 
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RE: British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:33 am

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 24):
Don't assume anything of the sort. Arrivals and departures are segragated so if you end up doing a T5 arrivals to T3, you're in Departures, with no way back to T5 without owning up. Unless you have a whole day to spend airside, I think one terminal is enough per trip in my experience.

You can't get back to Flight Connections from any departure level, any trip on Flight Connections drops you at Departures leaving you stuck.

Perhaps I don't get it, but assuming I arrived at LHR T5 from my typical flight from TXL, I am still airside and haven't passed security. I get down to the bus to T3 and hop over to that terminal. I pass security at T3 and can roam the shops, lounges, whatever...

Is there no way to get back to the bus at this point? Can the busses only be entered from the transit area before clearing security?
 
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RE: British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:39 am

You have 2 walking tunnels (Dirty and Clean). The moving walkways only run one way Clean from T5A to T5C and Dirty from T5C to T5A.

If you do end up in T5C and need to return to T5A it can be upto 20 to 30min walk.

TTS runs every 90sec and takes 90sec to T5B and then another 90sec to T5C. Walking can take 15mins to T5B and then another 15mins to T5C.

Should it be extended to T3 probably will it be no. The existing tunnels and stations would need to be extend only having 2 lines at the moment can be a issue.
 
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RE: British Airways Flights Changing Terminals @ LHR

Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:57 am

Quoting CARST (Reply 26):
Perhaps I don't get it, but assuming I arrived at LHR T5 from my typical flight from TXL, I am still airside and haven't passed security. I get down to the bus to T3 and hop over to that terminal. I pass security at T3 and can roam the shops, lounges, whatever...

Is there no way to get back to the bus at this point? Can the busses only be entered from the transit area before clearing security?

In your example,when you arrive at T3 before you pass through security there is a boarding pass check.Unless you have a valid boarding pass foraflight departing T3 that day,you'll get no further into T3.but you will be directed landside, or onto another bus to whichever terminal your next flightis actuallyfrom.
At all LHR terminals,if you do manage to get into airside departures, the only way out is by plane or being escorted by HAL staff. You can't pass the wrong way through Departures or Flight Connections security without an escort, nor can you get into the arrivals channel from Departures unless someone unlocks one of the connecting doors foryou.

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