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Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:39 am

Qatar Airways will start daily flights to Adelaide from 02nd May 2016 using an A350-900. This will be their 4th destination in Australia following Melbourne, Perth, Sydney (starting in March)

QR 914 DOH – ADL 2055 1620+1
QR 915 ADL – DOH 2130 0450+1

Daily A350-900

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-1...r-daily-flight-to-adelaide/6850868

[Edited 2015-10-12 23:42:37]
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:47 am

Interesting to see if ADL can sustain all these flights..

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qatar-to-fly...bus-a350-to-adelaide-from-may-2016
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:53 am

Why not Cairns just to be different.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:53 am

Very interesting that they've gone for an earlier departure ex-DOH rather than mirroring the MEL schedule to allow for more connections through from Europe. SYD should have no issues with leaving before the main midnight bank but it will be interesting to see if ADL can be sustained with a similar schedule.

I guess this means no A380 for MEL? It's great to see QR finally growing in this market.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:03 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 3):
I guess this means no A380 for MEL?

I would expect SYD to go 380 before MEL, given the competition there.. Even if QR is well established at MEL.

What QR now needs to do is a retrofit of their 777 fleets. I'd much rather be travelling to ADL for the J seat on the 350 than take the direct from SYD/MEL with the current J seat in the 77W.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:27 am

I suspect that we wont be able to sustain all the flights from Adelaide, but I hope I'm wrong. I strongly suspect that this could put a lot of pressure on MH - pressure they probably can't take terribly easily right now.

On a more positive note.. has anyone had success in redeeming QF points for reward seats on Qatar? Is it possible given it is part of OW? Hopefully this opens up some reward seat options ex ADL.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:31 am

Quoting Enobar (Reply 5):

It is indeed possible. I have done so. Use the BA website to check award seat availability and then ring QF if you can't see the same options on their website to book.

Fantastic news for ADL but AAB is known for changing things so maybe they'll swap it for a 787 at the last minute which would be more sustainable. Perth was going to see the A350 but never happened.

And no way will SYD get a QR A380 before MEL (if MEL gets one at all). MEL is much more established for QR as a market. This is not EK we are talking about, can't just send A380s anywhere they want because of the limited number of the whale jets they have.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:02 am

Everyone at BNE (including myself), are dropping jaws at how Adelaide got it over Brisbane    ...
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:12 am

Quoting JakeNorton (Reply 7):
Everyone at BNE (including myself), are dropping jaws at how Adelaide got it over Brisbane    ...

Because they can't fly to BNE under the bilateral agreement, otherwise they would.

Interesting they start daily!

Quoting 777way (Reply 2):

Why not Cairns just to be different.

Maybe because ADL has ~10x the population of CNS, making up for its lower tourist appeal?
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:14 am

Lots of opportunities for connection from ADL here (especially to BNE). Already lots of domestic connections on QR via PER so this will inevitably help the ADL loads.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:55 am

Is QR going to have any code shares on QF on domestic legs? Can't remember seeing any QR code on domestic QF flights on recent times (though haven't been flying heavily domestic in Australia since July).

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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:16 am

Quoting wzafar (Reply 6):
Fantastic news for ADL but AAB is known for changing things so maybe they'll swap it for a 787 at the last minute which would be more sustainable.

AFAIK, the current 787's don't have crew rests. Might be somewhat problematic. PER was once announced as a 787 destination, don't know if they planned 787s with crew rests, or if they don't need them on that flight. However, think ADL is a bit too far without crew rests.

Quoting JakeNorton (Reply 7):

Everyone at BNE (including myself), are dropping jaws at how Adelaide got it over Brisbane

Shouldn't find that surprising. QR will be limited to 21 weekly to PER/SYD/MEL/BNE. Any other Australian airport (including ADL) don't count in those figures. BNE can only be added, by reducing elsewhere.

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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:28 am

Good to see them announce it. This was the surprising route announcement I had previously hinted at.

There were apparently healthy levels of transfer pax onto their PER flights from ADL which brought about this move. I don't think daily is a great move from the start, but operationally it is far easier and fits into QR's preferred model.

QR giving ADL the best product is especially interesting when you look at their bigger 3 markets in this country getting the larger capacity but less customer friendly 77W's.

I would expect the A380 into MEL or SYD at some stage but I think the latter would now be favoured, even with the former being a more mature market for QR.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:20 pm

I was initially gobsmacked by this announcement... especially that it was daily with an A350!
Now, with reflection, it makes sense to me especially as a poster above has already stated, Adelaide is 'outside' the 21 weekly frequencies limit.
I bet Singapore, Cathay, Malaysian and whomever else fly into Adelaide at the moment (and I am not familiar with Adelaide services so maybe they are not flying there anymore, lol) are nervous and going over their numbers.
Good luck to Qatar and well done to the team at Adelaide Airport/SA Government who I am sure would have worked hard to achieve this...
Where next for Qatar? Canberra (as a tag on to Adelaide?) or Cairns? Or maybe something radical like a Christchurch tag on from Adelaide?
And a further point ... is this now the first 'confirmed' service to Australia using the A350, after Perth was dropped as an A350 destination? I believe so ...
Cheers,
Bunumuring.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:00 pm

I wish QR would fly to OOL! It will be certainly a gold-mine; and they can have free transfers to BNE.

However, I think the runway lengh is too short for an A350.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:11 pm

Congratulations to QR and Adelaide airport.

No doubt ADL is being the beneficiary of being outside Australia's bilateral quotas, nevertheless, I have to say, I did not expect this move.

I go to Adelaide every once in a while, I feel the city as a whole is greatly underappreciated, it has some of the best wine regions anywhere in the world. I very much hope that this route succeeds.

I haven't been to DOH since 2011. The airport was a horrible mess at that point. Is the new airport operational and functioning smoothly?
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Tue Oct 13, 2015 4:11 pm

Quoting aryonoco (Reply 15):
Is the new airport operational and functioning smoothly?

Absolutely and its the best airport in the region, actually.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Tue Oct 13, 2015 4:25 pm

Quoting aryonoco (Reply 15):
I haven't been to DOH since 2011. The airport was a horrible mess at that point. Is the new airport operational and functioning smoothly?

I have been twice to the new DOH airport and multiple times to EK's T3 at DXB. The new DOH airport is way better !
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Tue Oct 13, 2015 5:05 pm

Congratulations to QR and ADL. This is fantastic!
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:53 pm

ADL 3 months after launching SYD. Shaking my head. Hope it works out.

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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:37 pm

Unbelievably exciting for ADL!!!

The flights are well timed on the return leg for CBR/BNE connects which is something the MEL/PER flights has never been able to achieve.

EK have been loving having ADL all to themselves, going out chockers through the peak periods, and the town is loving the PM departure. I think the 36J/247Y matches what ADL can sustain (although the 788's 22/232 may be deemed better by AAB in the long run)

I think MH will sustain its 4pw services, its SQ that will lose out on some of their European Traffic, especially with the Asian carriers in ADL focusing on AM departures. Resulting in some very long connects in SIN/HKG

The seasonal PM service by SQ will likely be no more considering this announcement; lets hope they can hold their own!

I do question starting this service 02MAY, perhaps they need a couple of weeks to bed in the service, but I would of thought a 01JUN start would be better, May is a traditionally low month for ex AU departures to ME/Europe

As a side note, with QR expanding in AU; they may be starting to build enough AU market presence to be QF's partner after the EK agreement is up for renewal. At the very least it should give QF some extra bargaining chips to get what they want out of EK for the next 5 years.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:09 pm

Quoting qantas747 (Reply 20):
The seasonal PM service by SQ will likely be no more considering this announcement; lets hope they can hold their own!

I think people tend to underestimate SQ's position in Australia. When QR and EY announced PER - SQ actually increased services to 4 x daily and haven't reduced since. They'll put up a fight, believe me.

If anyone is going to reduce ADL, it will be MH.

[Edited 2015-10-13 16:13:14]
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Wed Oct 14, 2015 2:19 am

Quoting ben175 (Reply 21):

Plus haven't they (SQ) also announced they are going 5 daily to SYD in June 2016 despite QR announcing SYD from next year as well...
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Wed Oct 14, 2015 3:47 am

Quoting qantas747 (Reply 20):
As a side note, with QR expanding in AU; they may be starting to build enough AU market presence to be QF's partner after the EK agreement is up for renewal. At the very least it should give QF some extra bargaining chips to get what they want out of EK for the next 5 years.

Not so sure that bargaining chip is all that strong. EK know that the partnership seemed to work for QF. Now, if QF went with QR, there is significant costs associated. For instance, moving from DXB to DOH, not only will that cost, but Doha as a city is less attractive than Dubai. I still think EK have the upper hand.

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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:29 am

DXB is far stronger than DOH from both a connectivity and O&D perspective.

It is the biggest business hub of the Gulf and as such has its own benefits on offer. Its not all about transfer traffic,

Qatar is working hard to bring itself to a more competitive position as a country on the global stage, which includes big business deals and events like the World Cup, but it still has a long way to catch up in many ways to the UAE marketplace.

QR offers much less at this stage than EK can bring to QF. QR is doing well feeding off the OneWorld connection though.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Wed Oct 14, 2015 10:56 am

Quoting coal (Reply 10):

I doubt they ever have a formal code share, but QR have a very, very extensive ticketing interline with both QF and VA.

Incidentally SYD-DPS-DOH-xxx was the best kept secret IMHO, VA would have the discount fare classes wide open to DPS (I can still find T for some dates in January!!!) and it was the easiest QR route out of Asia to find O. Perfectly permitted routing, issued on one ticket, with decent connections, and you can find your clients $1700 fares to Europe when EK and SQ are $1000 more. And the best part is that these routes won't display online!
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:23 am

Quoting behramjee (Reply 17):

I have been twice to the new DOH airport and multiple times to EK's T3 at DXB. The new DOH airport is way better !


Agree, DOH knocks DXB out of the water in my opinion. Dubai is a much better city than Doha though.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:46 am

Quoting hibtastic (Reply 26):


Quoting behramjee,reply=17:
I have been twice to the new DOH airport and multiple times to EK's T3 at DXB. The new DOH airport is way better !

Agree, DOH knocks DXB out of the water in my opinion. Dubai is a much better city than Doha though.

I disagree completely. I was at DOH last week and we were being bussed to the aircraft. Boarding a 787 using stairs, really? They couldn't finish the airport before opening it? Also the food court is a joke, and the airport lacks "identity", it's beautiful, but sterile and soulless. I prefer DXB over DOH. As for the city I prefer Doha over Dubai, Doha is more authentic, neither of them beats Muscat though   Luckily people are different. But we digress. Congratulations to ADL!
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Wed Oct 14, 2015 2:12 pm

Quoting rebr (Reply 27):
I disagree completely. I was at DOH last week and we were being bussed to the aircraft. Boarding a 787 using stairs, really? They couldn't finish the airport before opening it? Also the food court is a joke, and the airport lacks "identity", it's beautiful, but sterile and soulless. I prefer DXB over DOH. As for the city I prefer Doha over Dubai, Doha is more authentic, neither of them beats Muscat though   Luckily people are different. But we digress. Congratulations to ADL!

The airport's North Node will become fully operational by December freeing up 8 additional gates. But, I do love Mr. Teddy though.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 25):
Incidentally SYD-DPS-DOH-xxx was the best kept secret IMHO, VA would have the discount fare classes wide open to DPS (I can still find T for some dates in January!!!) and it was the easiest QR route out of Asia to find O. Perfectly permitted routing, issued on one ticket, with decent connections, and you can find your clients $1700 fares to Europe when EK and SQ are $1000 more. And the best part is that these routes won't display online!

I never knew that! Thanks for the info!
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Wed Oct 14, 2015 3:01 pm

Quoting ben175 (Reply 21):
If anyone is going to reduce ADL, it will be MH.

I agree with that, but obviously SQ will lose some pax also, but MH will get the biggest damage.

Quoting qantas747 (Reply 20):
As a side note, with QR expanding in AU; they may be starting to build enough AU market presence to be QF's partner after the EK agreement is up for renewal. At the very least it should give QF some extra bargaining chips to get what they want out of EK for the next 5 years.

QR is way behind EK, i´m not sure how many daily flights now EK has to Australia, but it must be like 4-5 times more than QR.

Quoting rebr (Reply 27):
Also the food court is a joke,

It is not very good, but they have a couple of good restaurants out of the food court, however in my opinion it´s too expensive, even the shops I find them more expensive than many other airports.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 12):
I would expect the A380 into MEL or SYD at some stage but I think the latter would now be favoured, even with the former being a more mature market for QR.

Maybe, but I think QR will need to add new freqs if they can get more traffic rights.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:17 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 11):
Quoting wzafar (Reply 6):Fantastic news for ADL but AAB is known for changing things so maybe they'll swap it for a 787 at the last minute which would be more sustainable.
AFAIK, the current 787's don't have crew rests. Might be somewhat problematic. PER was once announced as a 787 destination, don't know if they planned 787s with crew rests, or if they don't need them on that flight. However, think ADL is a bit too far without crew rests.

I wonder if it could also be a factor that the A350 is more comfortable than the 787 on such a long flight. Interesting that despite it's range, the 787 is really not being used on any v.long flights - only HND, I think, which is the only flight over 10h. I'm sure QR is keeping an eye on pax opinions of both types; I'm flying with QR (and on the 787) for the first time next week, so I'm looking forward to seeing what it will be like.

How many A350s will QR have by the time ADL is added?
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:44 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 30):
I wonder if it could also be a factor that the A350 is more comfortable than the 787 on such a long flight. Interesting that despite it's range, the 787 is really not being used on any v.long flights - only HND, I think, which is the only flight over 10h. I'm sure QR is keeping an eye on pax opinions of both types; I'm flying with QR (and on the 787) for the first time next week, so I'm looking forward to seeing what it will be like.

How many A350s will QR have by the time ADL is added?


QR selected the 787 because of it being a A320 and A332 successor; an aircraft more capable than the A320 but slightly less than the A332. As such, it will be used on these medium haul routes, with the exception being DPS and HND.

QR doesn't have a lot of 787's left to be delivered (6 more I think), so I think we know where they will be displaced to.

As for the A350, they are obviously taking the roles of the 777's; new ULH destinations will be launched using A350's from now, with the exception of the remaining 777's.

The A350 is the perfect size for QR; not too big, not too small.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:41 pm

Quoting Qatara340 (Reply 31):
QR selected the 787 because of it being a A320 and A332 successor; an aircraft more capable than the A320 but slightly less than the A332.

I think Boeing will disagree with you. I do not believe the 787-8 is less capable than the A332. Perhaps the A330 family is better suited to shorter missions, but the Dreamliners are a whole new generation ahead of the original A330s, and therefore much more capable.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:49 pm

Quoting Qatara340 (Reply 31):

On what planet is the 787 less capable than the 332?!?!?!?!?
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:57 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 32):

I think Boeing will disagree with you. I do not believe the 787-8 is less capable than the A332. Perhaps the A330 family is better suited to shorter missions, but the Dreamliners are a whole new generation ahead of the original A330s, and therefore much more capable
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 33):

Sorry guys, I meant less capacity. Autocorrect changed it to capable!!
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:23 pm

I have to admit, I've never tried QR. But judging from my recent experiences at DXB, (way too crowded, the whole thing resembles a giant, unpleasant mall), and the comments upthread, I am seriously considering switching to DOH for my travels through the region.

Congratulations to QR and ADL.

Regards.

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RE: Qatar Airways Announces Adelaide From 02MAY16

Wed Oct 14, 2015 9:47 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 30):
Interesting that despite it's range, the 787 is really not being used on any v.long flights - only HND, I think, which is the only flight over 10h.

QR 787s don't have crew rest areas for the longer sectors is what I've heard...

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