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ATL Gates

Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:40 pm

Does anyone have a current list of which airlines use which gates at ATL?

How are international (and other) flights assigned at Concourses E and F? Is FIS open at both 24/7?

And, for Delta's incomparable hub operation, are certain aircraft types typically assigned to certain gates/concourses? Which Express carriers park where?

Thanks for this and any related information!
 
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RE: ATL Gates

Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:50 pm

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Thread starter):
How are international (and other) flights assigned at Concourses E and F? Is FIS open at both 24/7?

FIS at E is closed, everyone is processed at F. I believe F is fully CUTE but DL has priority for a handful of gates.

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Thread starter):
And, for Delta's incomparable hub operation, are certain aircraft types typically assigned to certain gates/concourses? Which Express carriers park where?

The domestic 767s are usually at the T gates or concourse A. Concourse C and D (mainline flights) usually seem to be MD-80/90/717s, and the 757/737s usually seem to be at concourse T/A/B but that could be just because such a large portion of DL's mainline flights are on the T-tails in ATL rather than any actual strategy.
 
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RE: ATL Gates

Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:59 pm

Current Gates:

Air Canada Express: F12 or F14
Air France: F1 or F3
Alaska: D3
American (LAA): T9, T10, T11, T12
American (LUS): D21, D23, D25
British Airways: F-odd side
Frontier: D1A, D1
KLM: F-even side
Korean: F5 (are they still using E3 for the A380?)
Lufthansa: F7
Southwest: C-south (C1 through C21)
Spirit: D2, D4
United: T13, T14, T15, T16, T17
Virgin: F-odd side

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Thread starter):
How are international (and other) flights assigned at Concourses E and F? Is FIS open at both 24/7?

E is Delta and RONs from Frontier, Spirit and I believe AA.
F: Odd side is Delta controlled and handled with Delta computers which means DL/KL/VS only. F-even is OAL.
Not sure on the FIS hours.

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Thread starter):
And, for Delta's incomparable hub operation, are certain aircraft types typically assigned to certain gates/concourses? Which Express carriers park where?

Yes, we try to park equipment with like-equipment, of course due to operational challenges, that's not always possible.
T: O/D heavy departures like DCA, LGA, DFW, etc
A: Airbus, 737, 757 and 767 Domestic
B: Maddogs
C: 717s and CRJ-700/900
D: 717s and CRJ-200/700/900

The Express carriers park on C or D with no difference between the carriers. It's equipment and operation dictated.

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RE: ATL Gates

Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:07 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 1):
FIS at E is closed, everyone is processed at F. I believe F is fully CUTE but DL has priority for a handful of gates.

Not true unless something changed really recently. FIS on E opens up in the afternoon where connecting passengers can use that FIS and reclear security on E, while local passengers have to walk over to F. F is not open 24/7 (I believe it opens at 5 am since I've landed on some South America arrivals at 455a and had to wait on the plane until FIS is open).

E and F are both CUTE; Delta has priority for 6 of the gates on F (even number gates excluding F14, which is the normal AC gate).

Narrowbodies tend to come more often into E than F but not uncommon to see a narrowbody at F during off-peak hours, or in the morning when E is closed (such as the CUN RON flight).

Quoting Polot (Reply 1):
The domestic 767s are usually at the T gates or concourse A. Concourse C and D (mainline flights) usually seem to be MD-80/90/717s, and the 757/737s usually seem to be at concourse T/A/B but that could be just because such a large portion of DL's mainline flights are on the T-tails in ATL rather than any actual strategy.

I know C has some gates that can take A319/A320/73W/738 (not sure about 739). I came into C50 on an A319 on Sunday. T is supposed to have DCA/LGA departures, which are a mix of everything. A seems to be more 757s/A319/A320 lately with some MD flights, as well as 737s. I don't see many 757s on B anymore either. C/D tend to be the T-tails with RJs mixed in.

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Thread starter):
Which Express carriers park where?

ExpressJet is the major Connection carrier at ATL. OO has 9-10 flights a day on CRJ-200s, which tend to show up more in D (but I saw some in C the other day). 9E has about 7 flights a day, all on CRJ-900s, which again can vary (including F since 9E has a couple of the Canada flights).
 
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RE: ATL Gates

Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:09 pm

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 2):
Korean: F5 (are they still using E3 for the A380?)

Last few times I've been at the airport when the KE 380 is on the ground, it's still at E3 with E1 blocked off.
 
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RE: ATL Gates

Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:20 pm

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 3):

C can now now park: 73G/738/9, MD88/90, A319/20, CR2/7/9
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RE: ATL Gates

Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:09 pm

This is all quite interesting - thanks for contributing.

Are there any gates where, if used by a particularly large type of aircraft, the neighboring gate is blocked or restricted?
 
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RE: ATL Gates

Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:16 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):
C can now now park: 73G/738/9, MD88/90, A319/20, CR2/7/9

So, it looks like the C Gates can take all of DL's narrowbodies except for the 757, is that correct?
 
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RE: ATL Gates

Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:19 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 7):
So, it looks like the C Gates can take all of DL's narrowbodies except for the 757, is that correct?

That sounds right. I've never seen a 757 parked on C. I believe the new D-South gates can handle all the narrowbodies except the 757 as well.

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 6):
Are there any gates where, if used by a particularly large type of aircraft, the neighboring gate is blocked or restricted?

Yes but they're numerous and would be difficult to post since there are so many different combinations.
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RE: ATL Gates

Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:25 pm

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 2):
F: Odd side is Delta controlled and handled with Delta computers which means DL/KL/VS only. F-even is OAL.

That sounds backwards - wouldn't the even side (minue F14) be DL controlled and the odd side be everyone else?

Also, for the WN international arrivals, do they tow those aircraft back over to C before they head out on domestic turns, or do those leave from F?
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RE: ATL Gates

Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:42 pm

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 8):

At one point, the one former Northwest gate closest to the spide on the even side of D could park a 752. Ive seen sever 757 departures from that gate post merger. Not sure if it's still possible with the atrium build-out.
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RE: ATL Gates

Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:48 pm

Quoting FSDan (Reply 9):
That sounds backwards - wouldn't the even side (minue F14) be DL controlled and the odd side be everyone else?

Ugh, typo in my post. Yes, the even side is Delta controlled.

Quoting FSDan (Reply 9):
Also, for the WN international arrivals, do they tow those aircraft back over to C before they head out on domestic turns, or do those leave from F?

I believe they are towed back to C but somebody who works WN might know better than I do.
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RE: ATL Gates

Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:22 am

Quoting Polot (Reply 1):
Korean: F5 (are they still using E3 for the A380?)

Yes E3 for the A380, currently still the only A380 gate in ATL.

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 2):
Virgin: F-odd side

Virgin uses both odd and even sides of F since they have 3 flights now. Typically F5 and F4/F6 everyday.

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 2):
KLM: F-even side

KLM typically F3 everyday.

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 2):
Air Canada Express: F12 or F14

Typically F14 everyday but has used F9 in the past for IROPS.

Quoting FSDan (Reply 9):
Also, for the WN international arrivals, do they tow those aircraft back over to C before they head out on domestic turns, or do those leave from F?

WN does tow off all the international arrivals. When FL was in operation they would turn out alot of the international inbounds but would still have some tow offs, but ever since WN has taken over int'l from FL it has been 100% tow off of F concourse. I've never seen a live outbound WN flight from F yet.
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RE: ATL Gates

Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:40 am

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 2):
Virgin: F-odd side

Virgin uses both odd and even side of F on a daily basis.

[Edited 2015-10-13 17:49:21]
 
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RE: ATL Gates

Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:14 am

Quoting FlyBigDeltaJets (Reply 13):
Virgin uses both odd and even side of F on a daily basis.

Interesting, I hadn't seen them over there but I'm almost never on the odd side. What gates on F are A340-600 capable for next summer?
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RE: ATL Gates

Wed Oct 14, 2015 2:15 am

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 2):
United: T13, T14, T15, T16, T17

The ATL website shows gates numbered only to T15 - it has no T16 or T17. What's that about?


And on Concourse D, F9/NK/AS have gates D1, D1A, D2, D3, D4, and AA has D21, D23, D25. Does that mean the rest of the D gates are used by DL?
 
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RE: ATL Gates

Wed Oct 14, 2015 2:27 am

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 15):
And on Concourse D, F9/NK/AS have gates D1, D1A, D2, D3, D4, and AA has D21, D23, D25. Does that mean the rest of the D gates are used by DL?

Yes.

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 15):
The ATL website shows gates numbered only to T15 - it has no T16 or T17. What's that about?

I'm not sure how they're numbering/setting up their gates but I believe it has to do with their regional operation. They do only have 3 jetways but I believe they're set it up for 5 parking positions (2 RJs). Comairguycvg can clarify since he works in the Tower.
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RE: ATL Gates

Wed Oct 14, 2015 2:44 am

Has DL finally gotten around to installing FIDS screens in the concourse in the lower D gates and the flight info screens at each gate, now that they've taken them over?

It's been a few months since I was in that part of ATL; while I knew my connecting gate via the DL app, there were a lot of confused pax who ended up asking the gate agents to look up their connecting gate info.
 
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RE: ATL Gates

Wed Oct 14, 2015 10:32 am

And is AA going to have the split T/D setup in perpetuity? It seems like there wouldn't be enough room to consolidate on T without Delta moving, and consolidating on D would be unfavorable for their O+D-based operation. What's the plan here?
 
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RE: ATL Gates

Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:36 pm

Hartsfield-Jackson to build another gate for A380 super-jumbo jet

http://airport.blog.ajc.com/2015/10/...her-gate-for-a380-super-jumbo-jet/
 
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RE: ATL Gates

Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:25 pm

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 2):
FIS at E is closed, everyone is processed at F

When F first opened, the FIS in Concourse E remained open for connecting passengers. Connecting passengers could clear at E and head on to connecting flights while those bound for Atlanta as their final destination were funneled through a sterile corridor with walkways/moving sidewalks to F and clear there. Did they end up closing the FIS E and making everyone go to F? If so, what a pain for connecting passengers...
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RE: ATL Gates

Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:49 pm

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 2):
Korean: F5 (are they still using E3 for the A380?

That's the only place I've ever seen it parked.

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 14):
What gates on F are A340-600 capable for next summer?

I'm not sure which one(s) are, but some must be because Virgin has subbed the A340-600 even this week.
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RE: ATL Gates

Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:05 pm

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 18):
And is AA going to have the split T/D setup in perpetuity? It seems like there wouldn't be enough room to consolidate on T without Delta moving, and consolidating on D would be unfavorable for their O+D-based operation. What's the plan here?

AA is working a deal with the city to extend their side of Concourse T. Since DL nor UA will move from T, this is the only way that AA can remain on T.
 
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RE: ATL Gates

Wed Oct 14, 2015 10:11 pm

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 18):
And is AA going to have the split T/D setup in perpetuity? It seems like there wouldn't be enough room to consolidate on T without Delta moving, and consolidating on D would be unfavorable for their O+D-based operation. What's the plan here?

The plan is to extend the North end of T by 5 gates. This will be complicated logistically--since Delta's GSE shop, a Fire Station and the Victor loop all run through that area. It's going to be a mess.

I'm sure AA is welcome to pay Delta for a couple more T gates but the price would be enormous.
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RE: ATL Gates

Wed Oct 14, 2015 10:14 pm

Quoting rmoore7734 (Reply 19):
Hartsfield-Jackson to build another gate for A380 super-jumbo jet

I hate that we're wasting money on the A380. Only Korean flies it to ATL and they don't even do it daily. What a waste to build a second gate without someone to use it. Delta will never fly the whale. Air France won't send it to ATL. KLM won't fly the whale. VS won't fly the whale. LH? Not to ATL. BA? Not to ATL.

EK is probably the only other airline that would ever send the whale to ATL and that could be easily done on E3 since Korean uses it early in the morning and EK would likely be an evening turn.
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RE: ATL Gates

Wed Oct 14, 2015 10:38 pm

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 23):
The plan is to extend the North end of T by 5 gates. This will be complicated logistically--since Delta's GSE shop, a Fire Station and the Victor loop all run through that area. It's going to be a mess.

I'm sure AA is welcome to pay Delta for a couple more T gates but the price would be enormous.

Is it possible AA's strategy is to create a mess at ATL which would obviously affect DL the most to get DL to budge on the price of relinquishing a few T gates?
 
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RE: ATL Gates

Wed Oct 14, 2015 10:40 pm

Quoting afcjets (Reply 25):
Is it possible AA's strategy is to create a mess at ATL which would obviously affect DL the most to get DL to budge on the price of relinquishing a few T gates?

DL will probably get its legal team involved if this were the case.
 
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RE: ATL Gates

Wed Oct 14, 2015 10:52 pm

Quoting TLHFLA (Reply 20):

I cleared in E during August, off the afternoon CUN flight. They had connecting passengers go through in E and had the local passengers go down a hallway to F.
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RE: ATL Gates

Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:07 pm

Quoting afcjets (Reply 25):
Is it possible AA's strategy is to create a mess at ATL which would obviously affect DL the most to get DL to budge on the price of relinquishing a few T gates?

That could be plausible if the Airport didn't love Delta. They'll do whatever Delta wants and then everybody else will be consulted. AA's needs are a MUCH lower priority for the ATL airport authority than DL's. They won't let a project create a mess for DL.
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RE: ATL Gates

Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:26 am

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 27):
They had connecting passengers go through in E and had the local passengers go down a hallway to F.

And presumably everyone arriving at F clears in F, rather than having the connecting passengers trek over to E...
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RE: ATL Gates

Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:02 pm

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 15):

It goes to T17

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 16):

That is no longer the case. United has 5 physical jetways.

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 18):

Yes, until a long term solution can be born. FYI, US Airways was offered the UA gates on T. This was prior to the merger. UA/CO wanted to remain on D because of the club. US in typical fashion (cheap) declined. Rent on T is much higher. Had they took the offerx consolidation would have been much easier. Of course hindsight is 20/20 as they say.
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RE: ATL Gates

Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:21 pm

Quoting FSDan (Reply 29):
And presumably everyone arriving at F clears in F, rather than having the connecting passengers trek over to E...

Yes - if you arrive at F, you clear in F. After clearing the customs part of inspection, local passengers take a right and go to the arrivals lobby, connecting passengers take a left where they can recheck baggage and then there's a transfer passengers only TSA checkpoint that leads to the level between the Plane Train and the main departures area.
 
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RE: ATL Gates

Thu Oct 15, 2015 9:12 pm

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 31):
Yes - if you arrive at F, you clear in F. After clearing the customs part of inspection, local passengers take a right and go to the arrivals lobby, connecting passengers take a left where they can recheck baggage and then there's a transfer passengers only TSA checkpoint that leads to the level between the Plane Train and the main departures area.

Can international arrivals use E even when E FIS is closed? i.e. Can planes unload there and all passengers walk to F to clear?
 
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RE: ATL Gates

Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:12 pm

I wonder, just wonder if AA would offer up DL the T gates in exchange for some prime space on C including room for an Admirals Club if the T expansion proves too costly. C is wider than D with better concessions. Who knows?

By "prime" I mean a series of gates closest to the central core.

Of course with the end of AA/DL interlining AA may feel like F##K DL.
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RE: ATL Gates

Fri Oct 16, 2015 2:45 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 33):

DL offered AA 4 D gates for their 4 T gates. AA declined. That coukd have happened months ago. AA stated that the only way they will move off T is if DL gave up gates on A.
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RE: ATL Gates

Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:13 pm

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 32):
Can international arrivals use E even when E FIS is closed? i.e. Can planes unload there and all passengers walk to F to clear?

yes
 
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RE: ATL Gates

Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:46 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 34):
DL offered AA 4 D gates for their 4 T gates. AA declined. That coukd have happened months ago. AA stated that the only way they will move off T is if DL gave up gates on A.

I haven't been to ATL in a while. Is it so much worse for AA to have all their passengers ride the train to D than to have a split operation with only some riding the train?
 
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RE: ATL Gates

Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:38 am

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 36):
I haven't been to ATL in a while. Is it so much worse for AA to have all their passengers ride the train to D than to have a split operation with only some riding the train?

Given that the overwhelming majority of AA's ATL traffic is O&D, the added ~10min in additional PlaneTrain time to/from D is the only meaningful difference.

I'd imagine the only possible significant negative would be for passengers using the Admiral's Club in T to have to hike over to D for their flight. If this turned out to be a significant issue, perhaps AA could offer a shuttle service (similar to DL's Porsches) to transfer Elites/HVCs to their D gate.
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RE: ATL Gates

Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:12 am

Quoting deltaguy767 (Reply 37):
Given that the overwhelming majority of AA's ATL traffic is O&D, the added ~10min in additional PlaneTrain time to/from D is the only meaningful difference.

If you arrive on an AA flight from a PMUS hub, do you go to the PMUS baggage carousel, or do you have to find your way to the AA baggage claim, which was the international arrivals claim years ago?

It may be that if AA moved all operations to D, then it has to move baggage operations to the main claim area in the terminal.
 
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RE: ATL Gates

Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:25 am

When I was based out of ATL, United or AA for the T gates were always the way to go. As others have said, O+D focused makes these more desirable.

Did not know about the T gate extension, logistically challenging but that adds valuable gate real-estate.
 
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RE: ATL Gates

Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:55 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 38):

It's not based on where the ac came from. It's based on where the ac parks. Example, if a CLT flight parks on T, the bags will go to the exclusive AA claim below T. If a DFW/ORD fkight parks on D, the bags will go to claim 6 in the north terminal. This was already tested several times prior to cut-over.
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RE: ATL Gates

Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:31 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 40):
It's not based on where the ac came from. It's based on where the ac parks. Example, if a CLT flight parks on T, the bags will go to the exclusive AA claim below T. If a DFW/ORD fkight parks on D, the bags will go to claim 6 in the north terminal. This was already tested several times prior to cut-over.

But, will AA to randomly assign gates, or will gates remain by destination, with PMAA destination staying on T, and PMUS destinations staying on D?
 
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RE: ATL Gates

Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:51 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 41):

Everything remains status quote for now. The reason why you didnt see many gate swaps was because Shares was not loaded on T during the transition. So, if a US trip was moved to T due to IROP, it would be manual boarding. Now, everything is SABRE so doesn't matter. Expect trips to swap concourses based on availability in IROP situations to avoid long hold-outs. It wasn't uncommon for a US flight to hold out for an entire turn (upwards of an hour) for a gate to open on D.

Long term plan is to keep their heaviest O/D flights on T. DCA, PHL, LGA, ORD, LAX, DFW. would see CLT, PHX, MIA (with slight variences based on actual SKD. Not a huge departure from current set up. D only has 3 cities (CLT/PHX/PHL).
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RE: ATL Gates

Tue Oct 20, 2015 2:39 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 40):
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At least at DFW I thought someone said legacy US flights can only depart from certain gates because the ground crews are not allowed to work the other legacy carrier's flight until they are all under one contract. Why would ATL be any different?
 
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RE: ATL Gates

Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:32 pm

Quoting afcjets (Reply 43):

There is a provision in the TWU contract that allows TWU represented fleet service clerks to perform LUS fleet service agent work. Also, per the current IAM contract, if AA elects to begin cross-utilization of TWU employees, the provision in the current contract mandating job protection goes into effect.

In short, TWU fleet service clerks can do IAM fleet service agent work but the IAM cannot do TWU work. When this begins, all IAM agents in the station will become protected for the life of the current 2014 comtract until a new-joint contract is agreed upon.

I do not know if they are excersizing this in hubs but it is happening in many outstations.

Also keep in mind in the hubs, it wouldn't be too hard to align the gates. All it would mean is IAM employees sharing the breakroom with TWU employees. The assignments will most likely remain status quote.

For customer service, AA entered into an agreement during the merger with the CWA that stated post PSS, customers will be handled at first point of contact. That is why at the counter or even in BSO, all agents are unified (for the most part).

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