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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:08 pm

Quoting EI121 (Reply 99):
I take it you want it to be Miami?

I think so..  
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:09 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 100):
I think so..  

Sounds a bit watery to me - are you absolutely certain??  
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:12 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 101):
Sounds a bit watery to me - are you absolutely certain??

Fine... You caught me! I do want it to be Miami..      
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:59 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 95):
But given the info we have about the two A330s not arriving until the tail end of the summer, whether it's 2 or 3 new routes EI don't have the aircraft to operate... The extra 757 could be used for BDL but that still leaves them an aircraft short for SNN-BOS to replace this year's 767 and then an aircraft (A330) to operate LAX. If either MIA or EWR are also announced then they need another aircraft still further

By then the IB A330 fleet will have grown a bit, and these (either -200 or -300) might fit well with the EI fleet, with all having GE engines of one model or another. I guess that IAG may have considered operating a joint EI-IB fleet which are different only in respect of the external paint job and some internal furnishings. Such a fleet could perhaps be used to balance the seasonality between the EI TATL and the IB Mid & South American operations. I am only guessing, but it does seem common sense?

Also, EI has little need of high gross weight aircraft on their fleet, but IB needs this badly to lift more freight as well as fuel. So perhaps a mix and match could also work well in this respect?
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:52 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 102):

If its not MIA you can still get a connection via EWR   
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:13 pm

Quoting Egerton (Reply 103):
I guess that IAG may have considered operating a joint EI-IB fleet which are different only in respect of the external paint job and some internal furnishings. Such a fleet could perhaps be used to balance the seasonality between the EI TATL and the IB Mid & South American operations. I am only guessing, but it does seem common sense?

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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:33 am

More Expansion by Ethiopian Airlines:

New York set to commence next year with Houston and Chicago being looked at.

Reports LAX has performed well. Wonder with the pending EI announcement how this will change.

source: http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...g-with-chengdu-and-new-york-249034
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:46 am

Quoting EI121 (Reply 106):

Good to see what I predicted in the ET LAX threads came true where some armchair CEO's were laughing it off due to its early departure   I guess the figures speak for themselves.
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:57 am

Quoting EI121 (Reply 106):
New York set to commence next year with Houston and Chicago being looked at.

While I could see IAH being useful as fifth freedom, JFK and ORD would probably get next to nothing passenger wise. Fuel stop westbound only might be the job there.
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:27 am

Looks like EWR it is!!

If you go to EI.com and select GLA you will see BDL, LAX and EWR.

Interesting choice indeed...
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EI144 LAX1950 – 1400+1DUB 330 x24


5 weekly A332.

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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:29 am

Quoting EI121 (Reply 109):

The safe option .
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:15 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 110):
The safe option .

Well maybe MIA will be added in the winter, no need to announce it yet.
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:24 am

Newerk commences 1 September - Daily (13.10 ex DUB, 05.20 arrival)
Heartford commences 28 September - 4 weekly (no times as not 330 days yet). Date seem odd and if its a B752 service then it's very strange, Will have to wait and see,

[Edited 2015-10-21 03:29:02]
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:37 am

EI seem to have taken down BDL, LAX and EWR from GLA. However reports that MIA have also been added to the list....
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:40 am

Quoting EI121 (Reply 113):

Nope connections accross Europe are available on all BDL, LAX and EWR. MIA is not happening for now.
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:46 am

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 111):

Maybe. I was referring to EWR as being a safe option. After 9/11 they always said they hoped it would be temporary but due to various factors it became more than that.
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:12 am

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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:20 am

Well folks, sitting here at T4 and getting mighty confused . It would seem a very cruel blow to BDL to raise their hopes only to dash them now. Do we know anything for certain - seems like EI is just putting flights on its website just to wind people up, then removing them?!

Has there been a press conference or announcement from EI?

Very interested to hear about Et's plans too. Presumably thru will seek (and hopefully , despite EI bleating) get 5th freedom rights on any new route.
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:40 am



LAX, EWR and BDL.

(Taken from Travel Extra Facebook Page).

[Edited 2015-10-21 04:42:37]
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:46 am

That's good - and very ambitious! Should be very good for building traffic through the DubHub. Let's hope they will continue to build on this (which I'm sure is the plan!).

Congrats to all involved!
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:46 am

Here's the story just posted on RTE.ie
http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2015...21/736460-aer-lingus-us-expansion/

"In its first significant announcement since being acquired by International Airlines Group, the airline will commence a year-round direct service between Dublin and Los Angeles from May 2016, with five services per week.

Direct daily year-round flights will start in early September from Dublin to Newark in New Jersey, while a third new route will commence in late September with a daily service from Dublin to Hartford, Connecticut"

Confirmed on Aer Lingus blog:
http://blog.aerlingus.com/blog/2015/...three-new-ways-to-the-usa-for-2016

DUB-LAX 5 weekly
EI145 1500-1800
EI144 1950-1400+1

DUB-EWR showing Daily from Sept 2016
EI101 1310-1540
EI100 1735-0520+1

DUB-BDL will be daily on the B757. Flights bookable from Nov 3rd.

[Edited 2015-10-21 04:58:29]
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:04 pm

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 120):

Great frequency on BDL and might just be the most significant of the lot in time. Good to see the start of things to come too under IAG ! A new era in Irish aviation it seems.
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:09 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 10):
Plus, the $5 million subsidy from Hartford will surely help.....

It will be interesting to see what happens once that spigot gets turned off. Credit to them if they keep the route, but they'll deserve every rock thrown at them if they don't.
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:13 pm

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 122):

Well lets hope the locals support it around the area too. On the flip side they will only have themselves to blame if they dont support it.
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:26 pm

I am very optimistic about this; first (well, only) operator into a new, albeit small market. Don't forget that many US stockbrokers and other wealthy business people live in CT and it would probably be a lot more convenient for them to go to BDL and connect via DUB than go to EWR or JFK. And being part of oneworld can only help; they can still earn or even cash in their AA miles.

Did EI see EWR as a fairly low cost addition, since it's already well known. I'm surprised at this, but I'm welcoming it; I would not have liked it to be instead of any of the other proposed routes. And let's reassure our friend Miami, that his home city is on EI's radar.

I was rather prophetic in titling this month's thread (says he, modestly!) Let's hope there's more good news to come. Might QR (one of whose A380s is about to take me to its home base - and is sat right behind me!) be persuaded to jump in; I still think one of the ME3 should go for an all freight service or if not them, TK?
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:32 pm

Aer Lingus will use T7 at LAX (United Terminal).......
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:41 pm

I'm interested to see how much shorter the scheduled journey times will be from BDL than JFK or EWR- I doubt Hartford suffers from the 'you're 24th to pushback' syndrome that I once experienced.

In 2010 could anyone imagine EI operating to 8 North American destinations?

Alongside other east coast cities, I can easily see how four more would work - DFW, MIA, YUL, MSP. Anymore needs a strengthening of the European network.
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:45 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 124):
Don't forget that many US stockbrokers and other wealthy business people live in CT and it would probably be a lot more convenient for them to go to BDL and connect via DUB than go to EWR or JFK.

With one caveat - which is that many of those "US stockbrokers and other wealthy business people," at least when traveling on business, are likely sufficiently discerning as to hard and soft product as to prefer the trip to JFK as opposed to flying out of BDL so they can take advantage of the premium product offering available there compared to what an Aer Lingus 757 will offer out of BDL.

Don't get me wrong - I totally agree that Aer Lingus may actually be able to make BDL work where others can't because of its lower cost base, shorter stage length, ease of connections over DUB, pre-clearance, etc. And it will also undoubtedly attract business travelers who love the speed, ease and convenience of BDL. But for the upper end of that premium market between NYC/Connecticut that is traveling to/from Europe, I suspect much of that will stick to the widebody-based premium offerings available out of JFK - as they have for years/decades.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 124):
And being part of oneworld can only help; they can still earn or even cash in their AA miles.

Indeed. AA is now BDL's second largest carrier with a substantial schedule offering there, and that can only help this flight. I actually wonder whether Aer Lingus' BDL departures will use the AA gates and lounge at BDL.

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 125):
Aer Lingus will use T7 at LAX (United Terminal).......

Interesting.
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:46 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 126):
Alongside other east coast cities, I can easily see how four more would work - DFW, MIA, YUL, MSP. Anymore needs a strengthening of the European network.

Agree with all except MSP. I don't think its a route for EI.

I would say DFW, MIA, YUL, YVR, SEA and LAS are on the table for a few years time.
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:46 pm

Great news on the transatlantic expansion. Two things strike me however...

The timing of launching EWR. To me this is entirely being driven by aircraft availability & while I understand this is often the case, launching another New York route when the summer ends just because you've suddenly gotten another frame doesn't seem prudent. If they had to wait until September to get an aircraft then perhaps EWR isn't the right route.

Secondly, and somewhat related, where is the aircraft to operate LAX coming from? Is the full summer schedule loaded yet and there are frequency reductions elsewhere? Or will the additional 757 arriving soon be based in DUB and used to free up an A330? I'm specifically thinking IAD here
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:37 pm

So how does the LAX route work with regards to equipment? I know there are 2 new 330's planned for end of Summer. However what gives from S15 to allow the 5x frequency for LAX in S16? Or did I miss something?
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:46 pm

Quoting EIBoston (Reply 130):
So how does the LAX route work with regards to equipment? I know there are 2 new 330's planned for end of Summer. However what gives from S15 to allow the 5x frequency for LAX in S16? Or did I miss something?

Perhaps IAD to go 757 with the arrival of an extra unit?
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:48 pm

Washington is only bookable 4 weekly for July next year, correct me if I'm wrong but this is a reduction isn't it?
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:56 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 132):
Washington is only bookable 4 weekly for July next year, correct me if I'm wrong but this is a reduction isn't it?

IAD was only 4 weekly this summer. M/W/F/Su. MCO was increased to 4 weekly but is now showing 3 weekly with the wednesday flight cancelled
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:58 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 132):

Nope, the other 3 days will have connections loaded soon.

Expect it will be a while before we know what aircaft will or not arrive to operate LAX or how they will work it up.
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:01 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 127):
prefer the trip to JFK as opposed to flying out of BDL so they can take advantage of the premium product offering available there compared to what an Aer Lingus 757 will offer out of BDL.

Which is the business case needed for EI to upgrade the B757 to A330 J Class seats this winter.

Quoting EIBoston (Reply 130):
However what gives from S15 to allow the 5x frequency for LAX in S16? Or did I miss something?
Quoting EIRules (Reply 129):
Secondly, and somewhat related, where is the aircraft to operate LAX coming from? Is the full summer schedule loaded yet and there are frequency reductions elsewhere?

I would take a guess at SFO-DUB reducing to 5 weekly.


SFO 5 weekly, LAX 5 weekly, MCO 4 weekly, IAD 4 weekly = 4 A332's.
JFK double daily, ORD daily, BOS daily = 4 A333's
This allows them to keep the later BOS and ORD flites at a reduced frequecy.
Thats 46 departures. 3x weekly each on the 139/109 flights makes it 52 departs a week with 8 A330.
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:03 pm

I wonder if JFK will go daily for winter 2016 allowing for the EWR at no capacity gain for New York for winter - a third daily NYC for winter is a huge capacity increase.
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:20 pm

Anyone know if you can get today's presentation on the route announcements online?
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:25 pm

Great to see this Aer Lingus expansion finally confirmed. I'm planning to return to NYC around late Spring/early Summer so was secretley hoping the 3rd daily, day return to JFK would return but I guess that's been scrapped now? Would surely have been announced today if it was to return?
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:29 pm

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 135):

Would be shocked to see such a drastic cut in schedules, would be EI moving backwards for the sake of an LAX service. There surly must be an additional aircraft arriving as consider if plans go ahead extra frames will be needed in 2017 anyway.

I will take a guess we will see 1 A332 arrive by May leased.

Heartford schedule (don't know flight numbers) is
14.40-16.40
18.10-05.20
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:40 pm

Stephen Kavanagh of EI: "Building a hub is critically dependent on the number of routes. We will follow quickly the 2016 initiative with more expansion in 2017. It may be that we will add new routes, as we have today, but I would certainly see an opportunity to grow existing gateways and build frequencies. We will build a scale of the operation but I would see that as a balance between new and existing."

Well is is too early to start the 2017 speculation games...?     

Considering Willie Walsh said during the IAG takeover negotiations that EI would add 4 long haul routes by 2020, 3 of which were added today, I say we will see a less dramatic announcements in years to come. Lets wait and see.

Source: http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/1...ngus-ryanair-idUKKCN0SF1PO20151021

[Edited 2015-10-21 08:41:25]
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:45 pm

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 135):
I would take a guess at SFO-DUB reducing to 5 weekly.

Very unlikely IMHO- tech business was very vocal about wanting daily service on that.
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:55 pm

EI have said next summer will see double digit growth in transatlantic capacity on this year so that has to mean new aircraft not just moving capacity
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:39 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 127):
With one caveat - which is that many of those "US stockbrokers and other wealthy business people," at least when traveling on business, are likely sufficiently discerning as to hard and soft product as to prefer the trip to JFK as opposed to flying out of BDL so they can take advantage of the premium product offering available there compared to what an Aer Lingus 757 will offer out of BDL.

The plan is apparently to upgrade the 757s with the current product.

Why it wasn't done in the first place is anyone's guess - I guess someone at EI was being too cautious. Alternatively there was some kind of lead time on the other seats which may have affected the service start.

Quoting EIRules (Reply 129):
The timing of launching EWR. To me this is entirely being driven by aircraft availability & while I understand this is often the case, launching another New York route when the summer ends just because you've suddenly gotten another frame doesn't seem prudent. If they had to wait until September to get an aircraft then perhaps EWR isn't the right route.

If EWR was a stunning cash cow to beat the existing routes, it would have been opened already. I imagine the alternative would have been to hire in capacity to launch a new route, which, considering the bleating from all about the crappy hire in aircraft would make no sense to do.

Perfectly good to wait for aircraft to be available. Announcing now gives a year lead time on two of the routes!

Now, we wait for the frequent flyer programme announcements.

Meanwhile, I'm flying in J to Boston and back from tomorrow, so I'll be sure to write up an extensive trip report on it (as I usually do).
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:48 pm

Quoting eicvd (Reply 138):

Still hopeful it is a great option to have.
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 6:58 pm

Aer Lingus pulled an Emirates.
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:02 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 145):
Aer Lingus pulled an Emirates.

Must say I'm not pleased - but I'm fairly confident we will see it for 2017.
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:06 pm

We all talk about American/EI/United and JetBlue code share and changes but I don't think we have look in real detail about the impact AA interlining only with EI would have:

JFK - JetBlue - Move to AA you drop JetBlue
BOS - JetBlue - Dropping them at JFK, it would be up to JetBlue to stay or not and lets say they drop EI because of JFK
IAD - United - Nobody
ORD - United - Move to AA
SFO - United - Nobody
LAX - United - Move to AA
EWR - United - Nobody
MCO - None - None

It could be damaging to EI in a big way, routes such as IAD I think feed is impotent. One would expect the T7 at LAX is a clear indication of UA/EI together as I can't see UA allowing them in otherwise.

Willie Walsh said before he wouldn't change things which damaged EI so perhaps this is part of it? Now OW may not be happy but I'm sure Willie can talk them round if it is the case of UA staying.

[Edited 2015-10-21 12:07:58]
 
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:23 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 146):

I agree. But I assume an announcement can be several months away.
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RE: Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better!

Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:38 pm

Quoting JAmie2k9 (Reply 147):
It could be damaging to EI in a big way, routes such as IAD I think feed is impotent. One would expect the T7 at LAX is a clear indication of UA/EI together as I can't see UA allowing them in otherwise.

Not if you are getting enough feed at the Dublin end to fill the aircraft along with the local traffic.

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