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Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:37 pm

WHAT/WHO: San José Mayor Sam Liccardo, Assistant Director of Aviation
John Aitken and a special guest will announce details of first-ever
nonstop service to one of the top international destinations requested by
Silicon Valley travelers.
WHEN: Friday, October 16, 2015
- 9:00 a.m. – media arrival and set up
- 9:30 a.m. - 10:15 a.m. – speaking program and media interviews
WHERE: Mineta San José International Airport (SJC)
Terminal B, Ticketing Area (pre-security, north end of the terminal)
1701 Airport Blvd., San José, CA 95110
MEDIA
PARKING: Parking for media satellite vehicles is at the departures curbside north of
Terminal B. All other media vehicles under seven feet may park in
Hourly Lot 5 south of Terminal B. Validation to be provided at check-in.

Only about 2 months after BA announced daily service from SJC with the 789. If I had to guess, I would say KE to Seoul.
 
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Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:46 pm

Wow, they're on a roll!

No surprise though... now that SJC's experiencing a sort of renaissance as an intercon gateway, a lot of the companies/population in its immediate catchment are considering it over SFO once again.

They'll probably need to increase their int'l-capable gates soon!
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Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:56 pm

Quoting nickflightx (Thread starter):
. If I had to guess, I would say KE to Seoul.

I like the idea, but with what aircraft?

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 1):
Wow, they're on a roll!

Like the Boston roll?
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Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:00 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 2):
Like the Boston roll?

Let's not get too hasty here... 2 routes doesn't a roll make, more like a 1/2 sandwich... However I am very happy that SJC is starting to see some love. Silicon Valley and the South Bay will enjoy not having to brave 101 up to SFO.

Here's to this one and more...
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Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:01 am

They have ANA and just got BA with a 787-9 to boot so what is next, Cathay Pacific ?
 
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Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:22 am

I'm guessing SJC-PVG on HU. Similar setup to BOS in offseason 4 weekly PEK and 3 weekly PVG.
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Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:30 am

Cool. The announcement doesn't say a new carrier which I think it would if it was. A third of San Jose is Latino yet no flights to MEX or PTY but the announcement says specifically 'Silicon Valley Passengers'....I can't really see India non-stop as SFO was just announced. PVG does seem likely in the near future especially with how the Chinese airlines are growing. CX likes to make their own announcements and they have been doing social media games with prior releases so I don't see them.

My guess is its international but it will still be in North America. YVR, YYZ, or MEX.

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 3):
2 routes doesn't a roll make

They just got HN to PEK in June too. Usually China comes after LHR but not this time.

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Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:34 am

KE definitely seems like a possibility (when do their 787s begin arriving?), although they did also just announce that they are upgauging SFO to the 748 and SJC-ICN would presumably cut into SFO-ICN a bit...

I could see a SJC-TPE route working with the right aircraft, but I don't think either BR or CI have anything small enough. Also, I don't think that would count as "first ever" (didn't AA fly it at one point?)...

Would would other top requested international destinations be from SJC? YYZ? CAN?
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Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:37 am

LH with the A346 to FRA or MUC?
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Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:43 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4):
Cathay Pacific

Isn't Cathay rumored to be starting a new USA route soon? Isn't Hong Kong the biggest Asian market out of the Bay, would be nice to spread those multiple HKG flights across the Bay airports.

If not KE or CX I think BR would be a very likely candidate given their expansion plans, TPE-SJC has been tried before on American and given the Silicon Valley traffic, I'm sure there is quite a market.
 
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Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:54 am

It won't be TPE. "First ever service." AA used to operate SJC-TPE. I'm going with HU SJC-PVG.
 
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Thu Oct 15, 2015 1:03 am

Another?!

I'm going to guess that this one will be more short/mid haul, probably something Latin America, particularly something south of Mexico but not quite far enough for a widebody.

Quoting ana787 (Reply 10):
I'm going with HU SJC-PVG.

Would HU really be that insane to start up yet another long haul service to an airport that isn't even a focus city for them?
...Probably.
 
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Thu Oct 15, 2015 1:06 am

Yet to see it mentioned, but my bet is Emirates.
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Thu Oct 15, 2015 1:21 am

My 2 cents is on some airline that is not flying to SFO, and therefore not cannibalizing it's own flights a few miles up the road. So HU to PVG could be a winner, if long-haul.
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Thu Oct 15, 2015 1:27 am

Quoting S75752 (Reply 11):
probably something Latin America, particularly something south of Mexico but not quite far enough for a widebody

I don't think that would fall into the bucket of "one of the top international destinations requested by Silicon Valley travelers"... I'm thinking it must be somewhere with a significant tech economy.
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Thu Oct 15, 2015 1:29 am

I am guessing HKG or PVG
 
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Erroneous post. Please delete.

[Edited 2015-10-14 18:36:21]
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Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:20 am

Plus Alaska's new service to EUG. (Eugene, Oregon)
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:24 am

Quoting nickflightx (Thread starter):
will announce details of first-ever nonstop service to one of the top international destinations requested by Silicon Valley travelers.

When British Airways to London was announced in August, the media coverage included this quote:
"(Silicon Valley Leadership Group CEO Carl) Guardino said the top international destinations for most of the group's 390 member companies are Tokyo, Beijing, London, Seoul and Frankfurt."
http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-...h-airways-fly-from-san-jose-london

If this new flight is from that list then right now I would lean toward Seoul.

[Edited 2015-10-14 19:26:27]
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Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:12 am

It's Lufthansa to Frankfurt.
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Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:12 am

It's Lufthansa

Lufthansa announce Frankfurt-San Jose effective 29APR16

LH488 FRA1040 – 1340SJC 343 x24
LH489 SJC1520 – 1135+1FRA 343 x24

http://airlineroute.net/2015/10/15/lh-sjc-s16/
 
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Is there another airport in the US that has a flight to Japan, China, and London and does not have a flight to Canada?

Lets go even easier: Name an airport in the US (no territories please like Guam...) that has a flight to China, Japan, OR London and does not have a flight to Canada?

Quoting Tdan (Reply 12):
Yet to see it mentioned, but my bet is Emirates.

Do you think that Dubai qualifies as a "top international destinations requested by Silicon Valley travelers". I personally see EK's appeal being where you can connect to from there.

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Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:24 am

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 5):
I'm guessing SJC-PVG on HU. Similar setup to BOS in offseason 4 weekly PEK and 3 weekly PVG.

HU BOS-PEK is daily since June 1st and PVG still 3x week.
 
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Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:32 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 8):
LH with the A346 to FRA

Winner! Nice work.


Ok so now is there an Airport in the US that has a non-stop flight to Japan, China, England, OR Germany and does not have a flight to Canada?  

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Quoting atal17 (Reply 20):
It's Lufthansa

Lufthansa announce Frankfurt-San Jose effective 29APR16

LH488 FRA1040 – 1340SJC 343 x24
LH489 SJC1520 – 1135+1FRA 343 x24

http://airlineroute.net/2015/10/15/lh-sjc-s16/

Interesting that this will be operated by the economy-heavy Jump LH 343 from late June... I would have thought the Silicon Valley market would merit a more premium-heavy aircraft. I suppose the 333 doesn't have the range and everything else is too big.

Not a bad long haul mix for SJC as of next summer:
BA SJC-LHR 789
LH SJC-FRA 343
NH SJC-NRT 788
HU SJC-PEK 788
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Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:43 am

Congrats SJC. Europe and Middle East bound traffic looks pretty well covered now with BA and LH offering service. Not sure how much this will impact the service up at SFO with two flights now, but given the strong economic growth of the Bay Area it probably won't be a huge impact.

I really do wish the carriers would spread some love to some markets in the middle of the country. We'll keep waiting here in flyover country.
 
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Quoting tortugamon (Reply 23):
Ok so now is there an Airport in the US that has a non-stop flight to Japan, China, England, OR Germany and does not have a flight to Canada?  

PVD has Condor to FRA (summer seasonal) and no Canada service. You relaxed the criteria just a bit too far  .

Also perhaps FAI?
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Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:59 am

Looks like it is going to be Lufthansa to Frankfurt, 5 flights per week using A343 aircraft
 
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Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:21 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 8):

I was going to comment on this earlier and say don't you mean 343 on Jump, but it would be weird to operate high-density Y service to Silicon Valley. I wonder what they're going after.

[Edited 2015-10-14 21:22:15]
 
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Lufthansa to FRA:

http://airlineroute.net/2015/10/15/lh-sjc-s16/



Edit: whoops, someone posted already.


[Edited 2015-10-14 21:23:06]
 
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LAS was the original hot airport, BOS, now SJC that airport is hot! SJC was undervalued and finally getting some love
 
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Quoting FSDan (Reply 26):
PVD has Condor to FRA (summer seasonal) and no Canada service. You relaxed the criteria just a bit too far  .

Also perhaps FAI?

Both are winners! Thanks for playing. You're right I took it a step to far. Who would have thought Fairbanks and Providence being relatively close to Canada would both have flights to FRA but not Canada, even if both are seasonal.

Have to imagine AC will wake up at some point and re-start service. I can't see a US-based airline doing it. Maybe Alaska and a lesser extent WN but I think they are long shots.

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Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:33 am

This must be dreamy for SJC natives... Indians will have a ton of options now, the usual out of SFO (plus AI...) or BA/LH out of much closer SJC.
 
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Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:33 am

Quoting ytraveller (Reply 28):

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 8):

I was going to comment on this earlier and say don't you mean 343 on Jump, but it would be weird to operate high-density Y service to Silicon Valley. I wonder what they're going after.

The only group I can think of is the India population in the S. Bay. Will this flight become the new Bangalore Express.
 
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The Lufthansa's new 'Bangalore Express'?
 
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From the list I posted above:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 18):
"(Silicon Valley Leadership Group CEO Carl) Guardino said the top international destinations for most of the group's 390 member companies are Tokyo, Beijing, London, Seoul and Frankfurt."
http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-...ondon

SJC now has flights to 4 of the 5. I wonder if they can pull off Seoul next.
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Lufthansa has FOMO with British out of SJC and Air India out of SFO.

On the other hand, it seems that the "Silicon Valley" bubble is bursting. Even Twitter laid off hundreds of employees this week.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/petercoh...n-valleys-tech-bubble-is-bursting/
 
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Quoting 910A (Reply 34):

So we should expect EK at SJC soon?
 
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Quoting 910A (Reply 34):
The Lufthansa's new 'Bangalore Express'?

A reaction to AI starting SFO perhaps. They're going to need their BLR express to remain relevant somehow, and this is probably their attempt.

Quoting FSDan (Reply 24):
I suppose the 333 doesn't have the range and everything else is too big.

This does raise the interesting question of if the 333 could do it. Wiki claims that the longest is TK's IST-CGK which would be longer than this, but I can't tell if it's seasonal and what config they use. Results just turned up a 332 for that one.

The other that comes to mind was maybe something of DL's?

The 343 and 333 have the same capacity anyways though so I guess they just decided to play it safe on range. Are all of their 343's being Jump configured?

That said, I do find it rather odd that LH didn't order the 332, nor the 330Neo's.
 
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Thu Oct 15, 2015 6:55 am

I thought LH was dumping their 343's from mainline to the EW longhaul operation?
 
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Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 36):
On the other hand, it seems that the "Silicon Valley" bubble is bursting. Even Twitter laid off hundreds of employees this week.

Twitter has its own unique set of problems and challenges. Overall what's interesting about The Valley is that there is a bit of a mix of "old breed" and "new breed" of companies.

Dell and Microsoft are two companies which have expanded. Samsung, Google as well as Apple have expanded quite a bit too.

Newer companies such as Facebook, LinkedIn, NetFlix as well as Tesla have all prospered the past 4-5 years.

Is there a bubble in Silicon Valley? Definitely. Is it like 1999-2001? Probably not. We'll see what happens.
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Thu Oct 15, 2015 7:31 am

Quoting FSDan (Reply 24):
I suppose the 333 doesn't have the range and everything else is too big.

Jump only operates A340-300. These are special planes in Star Alliance livery.

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 39):
I thought LH was dumping their 343's from mainline to the EW longhaul operation?

No, Eurowings will operate with A330-200 which LH currently does not operate under the Lufthansa brand.
 
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Thu Oct 15, 2015 1:11 pm

Aren't all LH A340s based in Munich?

Anda quoting airlineroute.net: "This route will be operated by LH Mainline 3-class A340-300 (C30E28M221) initially, but will switch to LH Cityline A340-300 (C18E19M261) from 30JUN16. "

What does it means? LH Cityline has A340s???

[Edited 2015-10-15 06:16:45]
 
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Quoting tortugamon (Reply 23):
ot a bad long haul mix for SJC as of next summer:
BA SJC-LHR 789
LH SJC-FRA 343
NH SJC-NRT 788
HU SJC-PEK 788

Glad to see NH and LH smartly working with UA to protect their market share in one of their strongholds instead of idling at SFO.

Quoting S75752 (Reply 38):

A reaction to AI starting SFO perhaps. They're going to need their BLR express to remain relevant somehow, and this is probably their attempt.

I feel that it's more as a defensive move against BA more so than AI, which isn't a real threat to anyone.

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 36):
On the other hand, it seems that the "Silicon Valley" bubble is bursting. Even Twitter laid off hundreds of employees this week.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/petercoh...n-valleys-tech-bubble-is-bursting/

Twitter is a company that has millions of users but fail to properly monetize, so I'm not too shocked regarding layoffs. The other tech companies are actually printing cash. I mean Apple generates more in net income than DL generates in revenue with just 44% more employees - just let that sink in for a moment.
 
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Quoting 910A (Reply 34):
The Lufthansa's new 'Bangalore Express'?
Quoting legacyins (Reply 33):
The only group I can think of is the India population in the S. Bay. Will this flight become the new Bangalore Express.

Both of the new launches SFO-DEL-(BLR) and SJC-FRA-(BLR) are excellent offensive moves against the ME3. This is the type of response needed, not whining about "fair skies"
 
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Quoting PATristar (Reply 42):
Anda quoting airlineroute.net: "This route will be operated by LH Mainline 3-class A340-300 (C30E28M221) initially, but will switch to LH Cityline A340-300 (C18E19M261) from 30JUN16. "

What does it means? LH Cityline has A340s???

LH mainline is transferring 343s to LH Cityline and leasing them back to operate them in high-density "Jump" configuration. The plan was to operate them on leisure routes (e.g. the new FRA-TPA route), but FRA-SJC doesn't seem to fit that ticket...

I'm not sure if 100% of the LH 343s will end up in this configuration, or if LH will retain a few in a more premium config.

Quoting LH422 (Reply 41):
I suppose the 333 doesn't have the range and everything else is too big.
Jump only operates A340-300. These are special planes in Star Alliance livery.

I guess my question was more along the lines of why LH decided that FRA-SJC should be a Jump operated service.
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Just out of curiosity, why has SJC all of a sudden caught the attention of so many international carriers? Hasn't the demand always been there or has something changed that has made these new services viable?
 
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Thu Oct 15, 2015 1:59 pm

Is the 343 a bit much for SJC? That's a lot of seats to fill. Even if they only looking for 75%.. That's a lot. Is it really feasible to think they will be able to fill enough seats to/from SJC?
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Quoting tortugamon (Reply 31):

Both are winners! Thanks for playing. You're right I took it a step to far. Who would have thought Fairbanks and Providence being relatively close to Canada would both have flights to FRA but not Canada, even if both are seasonal.

Have to imagine AC will wake up at some point and re-start service. I can't see a US-based airline doing it. Maybe Alaska and a lesser extent WN but I think they are long shots.

PVD had service to YYZ on B1900's for years from AC/Air Georgian as AC Express. That ended a couple of years ago, around time time AC axed PWM, ALB, and HPN. BDL has managed to stick around, with AC serving BDL-YYZ and YUL several times a day. Funny how these things work.
 
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I find it most curious that SJC now has 4 intercontinental routes but still only has service to 4 cities east of the Mississippi river (BOS, JFK, ATL, MDW/ORD)...

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