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DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:00 pm

With Delta purchasing more 777's and being one of the last hold outs of 3-3-3 Y class...

Are there any known plans to change to a 3-4-3 configuration?
Has anything been stated either way?
 
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:20 pm

The 3-3-3 is a great layout for DL and I can't see them changing it. Those who have been here a while remember that they used to have the Y cabin offer a 2-5-2 layout, which would really be horrible for that "double middle" seat.

The other thing to note if they add that extra seat (a 3-4-3) they'd skew the range capabilities. Currently, all of their 777 (both ER and LR) have the same cabin layout which is good for swaps (using an LR for a shorter route for example).
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:27 pm

I have no idea what they will do. If they need to get more seats in them, I'd prefer a *good* slimline over 3-4-3.
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:48 pm

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 1):
The 3-3-3 is a great layout for DL and I can't see them changing it.

In the context of the ME3 debate in the US, I'd love to see Richard Anderson's response to this topic.

DL 777s are 9-abreast in Y, whereas EK, EY and now QR are all 10-abreast.

In J class DL are at 4-abreast, while EK has a 5-abreast business cabin.

EK only goes 4-abreast in F class.

The hard product on EK is of excellent quality, but they sure do cram those 777s. Perhaps that's another factor behind EK's competitive fares?
 
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:26 pm

I haven't seen any plans to change the Y configuration on the 777s.
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Thu Oct 15, 2015 5:27 pm

Quoting 321neo (Reply 3):

In the context of the ME3 debate in the US, I'd love to see Richard Anderson's response to this topic.

That is an interesting context, I think (personally) competing against UA and AA is more of a close to home battle, AA is split on 3-3-3 and 3-4-3, UA are all 3-3-3 I believe.

But knowing DL, they'd really like commonality in the fleet configuration.
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Thu Oct 15, 2015 5:28 pm

Quoting questions (Thread starter):

With Delta purchasing more 777's and being one of the last hold outs of 3-3-3 Y class...

Delta currently isn't purchasing any 777's as mentioned in the earnings statement yesterday.
 
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Thu Oct 15, 2015 5:29 pm

DL gets a rather high number of pax on their 77Es already with the 3-3-3, and they fly them on rather long routes. So wouldn't be surprised if they keep it there.
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Thu Oct 15, 2015 6:38 pm

Quoting 321neo (Reply 3):
while EK has a 5-abreast business cabin.

Uhhhh, I think you mean 7 abreast. As far as I know, all of their J cabins are 2-3-2 on the 777.

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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Thu Oct 15, 2015 6:50 pm

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 5):
Quoting 321neo (Reply 3):

In the context of the ME3 debate in the US, I'd love to see Richard Anderson's response to this topic.

That is an interesting context, I think (personally) competing against UA and AA is more of a close to home battle, AA is split on 3-3-3 and 3-4-3, UA are all 3-3-3 I believe.

That's going to be changing a bit however....

AA is moving to all 3-4-3 in Y (3-3-3 in Y+)
UA is taking delivery of their 77Ws 3-4-3 and as they reconfigure their IPTE 772a's they will be 3-4-3 in Y (Y+ on both aircraft is TBD.)

DL may have to reconfigure to 3-4-3 to keep their costs competitive...
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Thu Oct 15, 2015 7:10 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 9):
AA is moving to all 3-4-3 in Y (3-3-3 in Y+)

That was my understanding as well, but Seatguru says (and reviews there back this up) that on the reconfigured 772s the entire forward Y cabin, not just MCE, is 3-3-3. Of course the 77Ws are 3-4-3 outside of MCE.



Quoting United1 (Reply 9):
UA is taking delivery of their 77Ws 3-4-3 and as they reconfigure their IPTE 772a's they will be 3-4-3 in Y

Those are the 777s that are moving to domestic service, correct?

Quoting United1 (Reply 9):
DL may have to reconfigure to 3-4-3 to keep their costs competitive...

They may, but at the same time AA's refurbished 77Es have 260 seats, while DL's have 292. Part of that is due to AA's larger J cabin (45J vs 37J), but even when DL had 45J on its 777s a couple years ago they still sat 269.

Hopefully, if DL does decide to go 10-abreast, they'll do what it seems AA has done and leave one & cabin at 9-abreast
 
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Thu Oct 15, 2015 7:35 pm

Quoting Sightseer (Reply 10):
Quoting United1 (Reply 9):
UA is taking delivery of their 77Ws 3-4-3 and as they reconfigure their IPTE 772a's they will be 3-4-3 in Y

Those are the 777s that are moving to domestic service, correct?

I'll put "domestic" in quotation marks as while the 19 777-222s will mostly do domestic flights you may see them on some of the more touristy transatlantic flights as well.

Quoting Sightseer (Reply 10):

Quoting United1 (Reply 9):
AA is moving to all 3-4-3 in Y (3-3-3 in Y+)

That was my understanding as well, but Seatguru says (and reviews there back this up) that on the reconfigured 772s the entire forward Y cabin, not just MCE, is 3-3-3. Of course the 77Ws are 3-4-3 outside of MCE.

That's interesting and I had not realized that....that's a bit inconsistent on AAs part...they used to go to great lengths to be consistent fleet wide.
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Thu Oct 15, 2015 7:57 pm

Yea the Boeing 777X program will be the final!
 
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Thu Oct 15, 2015 8:00 pm

Quoting Sightseer (Reply 10):
They may, but at the same time AA's refurbished 77Es have 260 seats, while DL's have 292. Part of that is due to AA's larger J cabin (45J vs 37J),

AA will have two versions of the refurbished 77E (the high J version with a total of 260 seats, and the low J version with 289 seats). The low J version (37J+252Y) will be very similar to DL's 777s (37J+254Y) but will have 3-3-3 in Y+ and 3-4-3 in Y.
 
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Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:23 am

Quoting 321neo (Reply 3):
The hard product on EK is of excellent quality, but they sure do cram those 777s. Perhaps that's another factor behind EK's competitive fares?

For reference, EK's 77W fleet is currently 107!!!! strong and configured as follows:

3 Class: 8F/42J/310Y - 360 seats (Most common) aircraft are 340t MTOW and lack aft upper crew rest. Dispatched on flights under 12 hours block.

3 Class ULR: 8F/42J/304Y - 354 seats (36 in fleet) 6 aircraft are 349t, the other 30 are 351.5t MTOW (highest Boeing offers). Used anywhere in the network a 3 class 77W is needed, however primarily focused on the ULR's. These are fitted with the aft upper crew rest and are the only ones that are dispatched on block times over 12 hours for that reason.

2 Class: 42J/385Y - Used on high density routes, all aircraft are 340t MTOW and lack the aft upper crew rest. Dispatched on flights under 12 hours block.
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:39 am

Quoting United1 (Reply 11):
That's interesting and I had not realized that....that's a bit inconsistent on AAs part...they used to go to great lengths to be consistent fleet wide.

By the time it's all said and done, AA will have at least 3 772 subfleets.

Quoting panamair (Reply 13):
The low J version (37J+252Y) will be very similar to DL's 777s (37J+254Y) but will have 3-3-3 in Y+ and 3-4-3 in Y.

The low-J version enters service on MIA-CDG on December 20 and will have 3-4-3 Y and Y+.
 
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:11 am

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 1):
The other thing to note if they add that extra seat (a 3-4-3) they'd skew the range capabilities. Currently, all of their 777 (both ER and LR) have the same cabin layout which is good for swaps (using an LR for a shorter route for example).

Don't really get why it would re-duce the range of the 772ER by that much? NZ is about to start AKL-IAH with an 772ER in 3-4-3 (313 total pax) which is 14h45m.



With the ex-SQ 772 they we're already converted to 3-4-3 fo Scott, surely it would make sense to make the most of this?
 
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:08 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 16):
With the ex-SQ 772 they we're already converted to 3-4-3 fo Scott, surely it would make sense to make the most of this?

This acquisition was just a rumour. Even if they were getting them I doubt DL would use Scoot seats.
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:02 am

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 6):

The just purchased 11 from Singapore. So yes they will be adding to the fleet.
 
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:10 am

Quoting rbavfan (Reply 18):
The just purchased 11 from Singapore. So yes they will be adding to the fleet.

No, they didn't. Richard Anderson made it clear in the earnings call 2 days ago.
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Fri Oct 16, 2015 12:30 pm

Quoting 321neo (Reply 3):
In J class DL are at 4-abreast, while EK has a 5-abreast business cabin.

FWIW, AF, some KLM 777s, also do 2-3-2 layout. BA has a 2 - 4 - 2 layout, but every seat on BA has aisle access, do to the way they layout the seats.

I do find it interesting that DL seems to be making a strong commitment to an excellent hard product on DL "one" routes. This is to include flat bed seats on all DL One routes (long haul international and JFK - LAX/SFO). This is of note only because the transcon routes are on 757s (with flat bed). Some of the international 757s still have the 'old' seats, but I would presume these are going to be slowly upgraded.

I do wonder how AA, UA, and even non US carriers are going to respond.

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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:24 pm

Quoting davescj (Reply 20):
I do find it interesting that DL seems to be making a strong commitment to an excellent hard product on DL "one" routes. This is to include flat bed seats on all DL One routes (long haul international and JFK - LAX/SFO). This is of note only because the transcon routes are on 757s (with flat bed). Some of the international 757s still have the 'old' seats, but I would presume these are going to be slowly upgraded.

I do wonder how AA, UA, and even non US carriers are going to respond.

UA is already lie-flat on all of its international fleet.
 
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:26 pm

Quoting Qantas744er (Reply 14):
3 Class: 8F/42J/310Y - 360 seats (Most common) aircraft are 340t MTOW and lack aft upper crew rest. Dispatched on flights under 12 hours block.

3 Class ULR: 8F/42J/304Y - 354 seats (36 in fleet) 6 aircraft are 349t, the other 30 are 351.5t MTOW (highest Boeing offers). Used anywhere in the network a 3 class 77W is needed, however primarily focused on the ULR's. These are fitted with the aft upper crew rest and are the only ones that are dispatched on block times over 12 hours for that reason.

2 Class: 42J/385Y - Used on high density routes, all aircraft are 340t MTOW and lack the aft upper crew rest. Dispatched on flights under 12 hours block.

This is very interesting. I often find EK's fleeting very confusing. Are all of these equipped with the same product? i.e. Are the J seats all the same? Are they truly lie flat? Seatguru always says they're angled, but most of the pictures I have seen show a seat that looks pretty flat. Even Boeing 777 gallery (which is really more of an Emirates gallery) shows what looks like a flat seat. For as much as I trvel, I have never flown Emirates, and due to my alliance handcuffs, I probably won't in the near future. See below from Boeing:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777/#/gallery

The third picture on the second page shows a seat, that I would call lie flat, even though the backrest looks slightly elevated. Suffice it to say, it doesn't look like an old angled flat, a la AA's old 777 J.
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:35 pm

Big difference between "lie flat" and "lie flat with direct aisle access" as standard on Delta (except 757).
 
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Fri Oct 16, 2015 7:08 pm

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 5):
AA is split on 3-3-3 and 3-4-3, UA are all 3-3-3 I believe.

AA doesn't have 3-3-3, outside MCE on the 3-4-3 birds. AA is the superior for passengers 2-5-2 on the unrefurbished 77Es, as UA is on their domestic 77Es.
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:49 pm

I hope they keep the 3-3-3 mainly because the seats they currently use on the 777 would have to be the most comfortable you could expect in any economy class. They are not slim line and have a seat pad that moves forward as the seat reclines. Maybe some other airlines have seats that recline in a similar way but Delta also have them set at good height that allows for a 6 feet tall person like me to lock my legs out straight under the seat in front.
They don't have big baggy pockets hanging down on top of your knees either.
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:46 pm

I read some company info that they are looking to increase the total number of seats on the 777's from 291 to 307. How that will be accomplished has not been released but a decision is expected by the end of the year. I know they were looking at removing Delta one seats and adding economy seats in the A330's and 747's last year but it was determined not to be cost effective
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:00 am

Quoting davescj (Reply 20):
but every seat on BA has aisle access, due to the way they layout the seats.

Except for a few seats in the first and last rows, window seats and center J class seats on BA don't have direct aisle access, unless you consider having to climb over the legs of sleeping passengers in the aisle seats qualifies as direct aisle access. It's not that dificult but it's not the same as direct aisle access without the need to do that.
 
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:03 am

I know that squeezing that extra seat per row in and configurations in general are all about $$$, but I find it somewhat interesting that airlines are trying to cram more people into the same space when people in many places are actually getting bigger and wider   
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:33 am

Quoting United1 (Reply 9):
DL may have to reconfigure to 3-4-3 to keep their costs competitive...

I hope not, DL could charge 10 to 15% extra for the comfort, and in long haul it makes the world of difference, Joe Regular can cram his body in UA, AA, EK metal or any other sardine can if they go for a killer fare, in the end, experienced traveler will pay a little more for a confortable ride in a 8 plus hour flight.

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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Mon Oct 19, 2015 12:13 am

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 29):
DL could charge 10 to 15% extra for the comfort

...and quickly find out, as so many others have before it, that standard Economy pax won't pay it.

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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Mon Oct 19, 2015 12:29 am

Some people are changing their flying habits, for example Interjet is almost always more expensive than Volaris and sometimes more than Aeromexico, but they have 32 to 33 inch pitch and A320 instead of 738 and they have great loads, they use the SSJ in a very confortable 31 inch pitch and 5 abreast and they also get very good loads, we are talking here on segments of less than 3 hours.

Eventually some PAX will figure out that those extra 150 USD$ for 2 or 3 extra inches and 9 abreast make a huge difference in a 7 plus hour flight.

Cheap fliers at rock bottom prices give great load figures but the revenue is seldom worth it if you can sell higher fares at similar or lower loads.

The routes that DL flies with 9 abreast have competition,and I guess they are not losing money or sleep over it (if you see the profits they are getting)

DVT is no walk in the park and its surely not a 300 dollar gamble I´d like to take but eventually the madness of packing planes will revert...it just take a few deaths here and there, and passenger will notice.

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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:43 pm

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 5):
That is an interesting context, I think (personally) competing against UA and AA is more of a close to home battle, AA is split on 3-3-3 and 3-4-3, UA are all 3-3-3 I believe.
Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 29):

I hope not, DL could charge 10 to 15% extra for the comfort, and in long haul it makes the world of difference, Joe Regular can cram his body in UA, AA, EK metal or any other sardine can if they go for a killer fare, in the end, experienced traveler will pay a little more for a confortable ride in a 8 plus hour flight.

Assuming it's working for AA, DL would probably be better off following their lead from the 77W in making Y 3-4-3 and Y+ 3-3-3. I thought I remember reading somewhere that DL would be introducing an unbundled includes almost nothing but a ticket domestic Y fare for price conscious travelers only looking at priceline or travelocity. If that's the case, than a 3-4-3 777 Y seems inevitable if they stay in the fleet long enough to get cabin refits. They'll probably be watching AA and UA's results with their 10Y 777's closely.
 
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:13 pm

Quoting davescj (Reply 20):
I do wonder how AA, UA, and even non US carriers are going to respond.

AA is currently in the process of installing fully lie-flat seats across the intercontinental fleet and should be done by 2017.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 24):
AA doesn't have 3-3-3, outside MCE on the 3-4-3 birds. AA is the superior for passengers 2-5-2 on the unrefurbished 77Es, as UA is on their domestic 77Es.

AA has 5 non-MCE rows of 3-3-3 on the high-J 772 retrofit.

Quoting tjh8402 (Reply 32):
Assuming it's working for AA, DL would probably be better off following their lead from the 77W in making Y 3-4-3 and Y+ 3-3-3.

With the low-J 772, AA has dropped 3-3-3 for MCE and the entire economy cabin will be 3-4-3.
 
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:20 pm

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 31):
DVT is no walk in the park and its surely not a 300 dollar gamble I´d like to take but eventually the madness of packing planes will revert

Based on what?

People and authorities have been fearmongering about that since the advent of the likes of LAX-SYD (from my own observed perspective, and probably far before that in aggregate) and it's not done squat to change pax behavior nor airlines from packing 'em in.
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:59 pm

I wouldn't call DL one of the "last hold outs" of 3-3-3 in Economy. Several carriers, BA/SQ/CX/JL/TG/MH/GA/OZ/KE/BR/CZ/MS/CA/SV/KQ/QR all come to mind as operating 9-abreast.
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:10 pm

Based on medical, and anatomy, right now Airlines and authorities can get away with it, but eventually this madness will see some kind of biometric minimums. It may take 5 or 10 years, but packing people on 11 hour flights is torture, the bigger you are, the higher the risk. Weirdly enough this last saturday while running a 30 year old woman fell and lost consciousness, she could not speak, and I feared a blood cloth doing damage, she was taken to the hospital, and it was a real nasty experience, they took her in an ambulance and one f his friends told the paramedics " She was ok we just came back from Europe".... I hop e she is Ok but Europe to MEX is a 11 hour flight on average...

I grasp that the reality that ANY airline want more $$$, but I think if given the choice of 9 abreast Vs 10 abreast , for a difference of 5% of the fare, people will choose the less dense, specially if you have experienced HELL (a 10 abreast T7 with 30 or 29 pitch) for 10 hours.


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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:49 pm

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 36):
I grasp that the reality that ANY airline want more $$$, but I think if given the choice of 9 abreast Vs 10 abreast , for a difference of 5% of the fare, people will choose the less dense, specially if you have experienced HELL (a 10 abreast T7 with 30 or 29 pitch) for 10 hours.

People often don't know anything about airplanes and therefore would not pay any premium to fly 3-3-3 over 3-4-3. If they actually did pay a premium for a less dense layout, EK would not be what it is today.
 
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RE: DL 777: How Long Will 3-3-3 Last?

Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:18 am

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 35):
I wouldn't call DL one of the "last hold outs" of 3-3-3 in Economy. Several carriers, BA/SQ/CX/JL/TG/MH/GA/OZ/KE/BR/CZ/MS/CA/SV/KQ/QR all come to mind as operating 9-abreast.

SV 772s are now 10-abreast. Their 2-class 77Ws are also 10-abreast in Y. The 3-class 77Ws are 9-abreast. So most of their 777s are 10-abreast.

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