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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Sat Nov 05, 2016 5:44 pm

She has made daily flights for the last few days. But watching the flight tracks, man is she all over the place. Is that typical in flight testing?

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Re: RE: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:44 pm

rbavfan wrote:
Did anyone notice when she braked, that there was a puff of tire smoke. Should not have done that with anti lock brakes when main tire never left the ground.[Edited 2015-11-07 01:137:45]


That is a misconception, for optimum breaking performance you need some slip, just not wheels locking up, so there is still some rubber to be converted into puffs of smoke.
So this is either not fully optimizer yet, or that is the result of optimum slip.

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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:48 pm

I've noticed that when she lands, the engine cowlings don't open like they do when reverse thrust is engaged. So either they don't reverse thrust or her new engines don't need to open. Not sure which.
 
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:54 pm

Anyone know when deliveries to Trans States are supposed to begin?
 
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:15 am

From the observatory deck at NKM, it's pretty clear another one left for Moses Lake. Celebrations and such occurring. Aircraft has the three stripe livery, so definitely #4.
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:12 pm

MRJ Test Article #4, JA24MJ arrived at Guam on Nov. 15, 2016, on the way to Moses Lake via Hawaii.
http://flyteam.jp/photo/2045279
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:52 pm

So what about #2 and #3, why is #4 going first?
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:12 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
So what about #2 and #3, why is #4 going first?


I haven't a clue.
I don't know how the MRJ can manage a non-stop Guam to Hawaii flight, a distance of 3800sm.
It could stop at Marshall Islands Airport, I suppose.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/second-mrj-test-aircraft-enroute-to-usa-431519/
 
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:31 am

There is a YouTuber from Japan who posts MRJ videos all the time. he said FTA-2 (red stripe) has not flown since October 15 and FTA-3 (black stripe) has not flown at all. Odd.

Also wondering why they are taking the southern route to get FTA-4 to the U.S. Has weather in the north Pacific near Alaska gotten that rough?
 
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Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:19 am

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Also wondering why they are taking the southern route to get FTA-4 to the U.S. Has weather in the north Pacific near Alaska gotten that rough?


It is possible that the aircraft has not been tested in icy runway conditions that are likely in Russia and Alaska.
 
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:23 am

Very possible. Nagoya, where it was based, is warm. I never once saw that bird land in snow.
 
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:41 pm

MRJ FTA-4 arrived at HNL on November 17, 2016:
http://flyteam.jp/photo/2046107/L
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Thu Nov 17, 2016 5:03 pm

One last hope to the mainland then. LAX, I presume?

BTW the YouTuber updated on the other planes:

It is reported that a part of the cover of main wing parts was damaged by a test flight of October 13 in FTA-2.
FTA-3 cancels maiden flight by some kind of troubles on November 1.
It is reported that the movement completion to the United States will be delayed until the next year.
 
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Thu Nov 17, 2016 5:52 pm

Er, hope should be hop. Can't edit my post. :\
 
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:07 pm

She appears to have left Honolulu. No idea of her destination.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... j/#ba670ea
 
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:05 pm

Landed in SJC about 45 mins ago.
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:32 pm

Ok I didn't expect that one. I figured LAX or OAK. But here it is.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... j/#ba6fb57
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:02 am

....and in San Jose, CA KSJC today. Parked at Signature.
 
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:35 pm

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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:39 am

Aircraft 3 (black stripe) just took off for the first time just now. Looked quite uneventful so congrats to all! This program is finally starting to get some real momentum.

I just have an ugly cell phone camera so I won't bother posting anything. I'm sure the spotters will have something good up soon.

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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:14 pm

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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Fri Nov 25, 2016 6:52 am

FTA-2 is back flying after some wing damage in October.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMte9ngluUk
 
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Fri Nov 25, 2016 8:18 pm

Mitsubishi released a graph that shows what parts of the aircraft had to be reinforced.

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https://twitter.com/rschuur_aero/status ... 7750013952
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:52 am

according to thursday's report on Yahoo Japan, it need to sell a thousand to break even?
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:36 pm

With all the delays I can believe it.
 
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:59 pm

I'm very interested in knowing how the reverse thrust operates on this aircraft, is it through the core?
 
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:09 pm

Read an article on the fourth MRJ arriving in Moses Lake and saw this interesting quote:

“We brought the first jet in through Russia and Alaska,” Iwasa said with a smile. “But no one wanted to go that way again. So this time, No. 4 came here through Hawaii.”

I'd love to know why they felt that way.
 
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:20 pm

From the MRJ newsletter:

http://centreforaviation.com/files/anal ... 161130.pdf

On November 1, we completed the static strength test conducted at the MRJ strength test station at Nagoya Airfield. The
static strength test is one of the airframe tests to inspect that the aircraft meets safety standards in strength. We have
carried out dozens of tests since October 2014 with the life-size static strength test aircraft. During the testing, the
maximum load calculated from simulation of all flight conditions was applied to all or part of the test aircraft. These tests
confirmed that the airframe had no deformation that might inhibit flight safety, also could withstand 1.5 times the maximum
load to be exerted for the specified time. The completion of the testing confirmed that the MRJ airframe has the structural
strength required for type certification. All of the technical data necessary for certification was also successfully acquired.

Going forward, we will continue to develop the high-quality aircraft that our customers can operate with confidence
 
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:21 pm

MRJ has passed the 150% wing bend test sometime during November

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https://twitter.com/rschuur_aero/status ... 5663255552
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:16 am

Aircraft 2 should be at Guam by now. Took off at 910 JST this morning.

https://twitter.com/jetcitystar/status/ ... 2676560896
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:23 am

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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:10 pm

FlightRadar has her in Hawaii as of noon PST.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... mj#beb3984
 
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:08 pm

And she turned around and landed a little less than 3 hours later
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Mon Dec 19, 2016 6:11 am

Aviation writer Issac Alexander reports the ferry was suspended. he doesn't know why. So for now she's sitting in Hawaii.

I figure the pilots stepped out of the plane into Hawaiian weather and said the hell with going to Seattle. :)

Pic of her on the ground.

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Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:00 pm

 
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:44 am

And she's in Moses Lake. Nice shot of all 3 MRJs together.

https://twitter.com/jetcitystar/status/ ... 8666254336
 
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:24 pm

Here we go again. Another delay.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/1 ... her-delay/

The Mitsubishi Regional Jet is facing yet another delay and is unlikely to meet its mid-2018 delivery date target, the president of Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd. said in a recent interview.

“We are not yet in a situation where we can achieve” the delivery date, MHI President Shunichi Miyanaga said in an interview Thursday, citing difficulties in passing the safety tests.

Miyanaga did not say how long the delay might be, but it would be the fifth since the manufacturer started hawking Japan’s first home-made passenger jet. His remarks underscore the difficulties the contractor has encountered in building a jet in Japan.

The MRJ will is the first domestic plane since Nihon Aircraft Manufacturing Corp.’s YS-11 turboprop plane was rolled out half a century ago.

Miyanaga also said development cost have been higher than expected and might grow further.

Last December, Mitsubishi Aircraft Corp., 64 percent owned by MHI, put off initial delivery by a year to mid-2018 as it wanted more time to strengthen the wing design.

After flying three prototypes to the United States, the company has been conducting full-fledged test flights since late this year to get safety certification for the plane from the Japanese government.

“It is difficult to know when we can receive” the safety certification, Miyanaga said, indicating the tests are behind the delivery postponement.

“Procedures to scientifically prove safety have become far tighter than before,” he said.

ANA Holdings Inc., the parent of All Nippon Airways Co., will be the world’s first recipient of the MRJ.

“We are now explaining (to ANA) what problems we are facing and how we will deal with them,” Miyanaga said, declining to say exactly what they are.
 
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:32 am

A plane spotter in Japan who has made many videos of the MRJ test flights says the last plane, the one with the black stripe, might head to the US next week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7w7L6Iybng
 
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:49 am

That should be JA23MJ, which should have been ferried to the US at the end of last year.
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:20 pm

The 5th test aircraft (FTA-5 / JA25MJ) seen outside the assembly hangar, without engines:

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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:32 am

Mitsubishi Heavy Industries is expected to announce another MRJ delay. Entry into service to be postponed until mid-2020.

Mitsubishi Heavy Industries has confirmed that the delivery of its Mitsubishi Regional Jet will be postponed yet again, this time to mid-2020. The delivery deadline was scheduled for mid-2018 for an order from ANA Holdings. The heavy machinery maker plans to announce the delay, its fifth, on Monday.


http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Compani ... r-delivery
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:24 am

Not good man, so many delays
 
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:51 am

Wow... What was the original EIS?

It goes to show how hard coming up with a clean sheet design is these days.
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:58 am

According to Reuters, they will announce more about the MRJ at a news conference on Monday, 23rd January. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mitsu ... SKBN1540LW

With the new delay, the number of aircraft required to be sold to break even will be over 1000 - and almost certainly unachievable. Let's see what they say on Monday.
 
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:59 am

Francoflier wrote:
Wow... What was the original EIS?

It goes to show how hard coming up with a clean sheet design is these days.


Original EIS was supposed to be 2013. The fourth delay (mid-2016) took it to 2019. Now with the fifth delay, it looks like mid-2020.
 
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:04 pm

Sounds like the new Berlin airport.
 
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:11 pm

According to the latest schedule, first delivery to ANA was planned for mid-2018.

With 4 test aircraft in the air, what on earth could they have discovered that needs to delay the program for another 2 years?
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Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:07 pm

TOKYO -- Mitsubishi Heavy Industries has confirmed that the delivery of its Mitsubishi Regional Jet will be postponed yet again, this time to mid-2020. The delivery deadline was scheduled for mid-2018 for an order from ANA Holdings. The heavy machinery maker plans to announce the delay, its fifth, on Monday.

The MRJ, Japan's first homegrown commercial jetliner, has been under development by group member Mitsubishi Aircraft. A design modification that requires changing the location of some electronic equipment on the aircraft has forced the manufacturer to re-examine the delivery schedule.

In the fall of 2016, the Mitsubishi group informed parties involved that delivery would be postponed. Speculation put the new deadline for 2019 at the earliest.

The Mitsubishi group has spent billions of dollars on developing the commercial airliner, but the ever-growing time frame is becoming a financial burden. To further push the project, the group plans to set up a committee that will exclusively promote the project and report directly to Mitsubishi Heavy President Shunichi Miyanaga.

(Nikkei)
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