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No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:05 pm

I noticed this several months ago and asked if anyone knew why and no on answered. Why is neither AA or US operating redeyes tonight and tomorrow night in certain LUS markets including LAX-CLT. Friday night redeyes are usually sold out too and how does cancelling many of them help with the merger integration?
 
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:15 pm

I wonder if it has to do with the fact that, as of midnight tonight, US Airways no longer exists.
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:16 pm

Gee, you really think so?
 
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:27 pm

Line of thinking is probably is that if the crossover crashes the entire system then they have less people than normal to rebook and consequently more slack in the fleet to recover with if it really goes bad.

Then if it goes without a hitch then any lost revenue will be counted as a cost of the merger.
 
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:36 pm

Quoting afcjets (Thread starter):
in certain LUS markets

Pardon my ignorance, but what do you mean by LUS?
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:37 pm

It was reported that several hundred flights were cancelled months ago to lighten the load during the transition if anything were to go crazy.
 
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:39 pm

LUS = legacy US Airways
 
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:40 pm

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 4):
Pardon my ignorance, but what do you mean by LUS?

Legacy-USAir.
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:41 pm

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 6):
LUS = legacy US Airways
Quoting slvrblt (Reply 7):
Legacy-USAir.

Thank you.
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:42 pm

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 4):
Pardon my ignorance, but what do you mean by LUS?

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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:46 pm

Quoting raventech (Reply 3):
Line of thinking is probably is that if the crossover crashes the entire system then they have less people than normal to rebook and consequently more slack in the fleet to recover with if it really goes bad.

Then if it goes without a hitch then any lost revenue will be counted as a cost of the merger.
Quoting usairways85 (Reply 5):
It was reported that several hundred flights were cancelled months ago to lighten the load during the transition if anything were to go crazy.


Makes sense, there are usually two redeyes LAX-CLT but none tonight, perhaps it is too close to 10p PT / midnight DFW time. I still thought there might be a reason why they couldn't handle departures that close to flipping the switch versus just an insurance policy.

[Edited 2015-10-16 13:47:15]
 
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:51 pm

Quoting afcjets (Reply 10):
Makes sense, there are usually two redeyes LAX-CLT but none tonight, perhaps it is too close to 10p PT / midnight DFW time. I still thought there might be a reason why they couldn't handle departures that close to flipping the switch versus just an insurance policy.

Nothing to do with insurance policies lol. What American is really trying yo to is to lessen the effect of any possible downturns that the reservation system migration can have to the operations of the airline. So having less flights will allow some breathing room for the staff at AA to mitigate whatever they need to do should something happen. Oct 18 onwards will see the flights all coming back on stream. My feeling is this may just be one of the smoothest transitions the industry has seen... at least, all faith.

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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:54 pm



Quoting afcjets (Reply 10):

Like for example a redeye after 10p/ midnight DFW time, would be Friday PT yet Saturday AA time, so if they were to checkin Friday night at US, it would be departing as AA and no checkin system could handle that, and they wanted all flights converting from US to AA on the same day (as opposed to having LUS redeyes after 10p becoming AA flights on Friday instead of Saturday). I wasn't aware there were cancellations to hundreds of flights though all weekend where most will not involve a date change.

[Edited 2015-10-16 14:01:12]
 
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:56 pm

These were not 'cancelled' like a proper cancellation. They simply were not scheduled to operate... Ferry into position for a right start on 17OCT, or sit in said station ad eat up the lost revenue....
 
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:57 pm

Quoting callmedrewy (Reply 11):
My feeling is this may just be one of the smoothest transitions the industry has seen... at least, all faith.

Strictly speaking, the smoothest was when WN absorbed AirTran by simply adding WN flights and removing FL flights over time ... all without any single-day system conversions.
 
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:59 pm

Quoting callmedrewy (Reply 11):
Nothing to do with insurance policies lol... allow some breathing room for the staff at AA to mitigate whatever they need to do should something happen


Sorta like an insurance policy, right?  
 
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:13 pm

Quoting afcjets (Reply 2):
Gee, you really think so?

Oh wow, okay. I'll just stop trying to answer your question. Maybe nobody answered them last time in fear of being talked down to such as I was. Have a nice day sir.
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:01 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 16):

I thought you were being sarcastic so I was responding in kind and doing so in a joking manner, I did not mean to come across that way at all. Now I am guessing perhaps you just didn't see the second part of my question "how does cancelling many of them help with the merger integration?"
 
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:32 pm

They are reducing the LUS flying schedule by 11%. They made the cancellations months ago. It is to build some slack into the system (both computers and fleet/staff).
 
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:34 pm

Quoting airzona11 (Reply 18):
They are reducing the LUS flying schedule by 11%.

Just over the weekend or for how long?
 
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Fri Oct 16, 2015 11:39 pm

Quoting afcjets (Reply 19):

Just over the weekend or for how long?

Just tonight.
 
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Sat Oct 17, 2015 1:27 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 20):
Just tonight.

Sorta unrelated but when I was checking availability LAX-CLT on aa.com for flights on Sunday, it shows the flights in sequential order naturally, with the exception of the 1255a flight shows at the very end, as if it is the last flight instead of the first. Overnight flights after midnight confuse people enough as far as the date, putting it at the end instead of the beginning makes it even easier for someone to select it thinking they are departing what most people would consider Sunday after midnight (even though that would technically be Monday morning), even though the flight departs 24 hours before that. At first I thought it might be a bug related to the merger but pulling LAX-DFW and LAX-ORD on the same day, it is even more strange as the just after midnight flights there display after the 5-7a flights, and then it resumes sequentially for the rest of the day.

[Edited 2015-10-16 18:47:14]
 
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:38 am

The "big switch" tonight is making for some scheduled irregular operations.

Sort of related: TLV-PHL has always been flight 797, but the TLV-PHL that is currently in the air is operating as 402. That's a one-off just for today/tonight. Of course soon it exist at all, but that's another story.
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:03 am

Quoting afcjets (Thread starter):

I noticed this several months ago and asked if anyone knew why and no on answered. Why is neither AA or US operating redeyes tonight and tomorrow night in certain LUS markets including LAX-CLT.

I'm sure it is a transition issue.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 14):
Strictly speaking, the smoothest was when WN absorbed AirTran by simply adding WN flights and removing FL flights over time ... all without any single-day system conversions.

That is because they couldn't do a migration with how outdated SASS is.
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:20 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
I'm sure it is a transition issue.

Please don't take this the wrong way   
 
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:27 am

They do not want a lot of flights in the air while they switch the entire system offer to AA Computers, Websites, iOS/Android cell apps, scheduling systems. They will be doing it before the morning rush and will need time to double check everything so they don't go down on their first day as a fully merged carrier.
 
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:57 pm

Did the flight crews change uniforms in the air?
 
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:02 pm

AA2349 ORD-DFW was three hours late Friday night, wonder if that had anything to do with the conversion? The arriving flight from NRT was close to on time...
 
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:06 pm

My Parents booked a SAN-PHL redeye in June for Oct 9 and a few weeks after booking it a new schedule load happened and it got cancelled and they were rerouted SAN-CLT-PHL.
 
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:59 pm

Quoting BN727227Ultra (Reply 27):

AA2349 ORD-DFW was three hours late Friday night, wonder if that had anything to do with the conversion? The arriving flight from NRT was close to on time...

That would have nothing to do with the res cutover, since that is a LAA flight.
 
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:02 pm

Quoting deltaffindfw (Reply 29):

Did the UA/CO cutover and mess that followed only affect only one of the legacy's airlines routes?
 
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Sat Oct 17, 2015 7:04 pm

Quoting EASTERN747 (Reply 26):

Did the flight crews change uniforms in the air?

No. Crews won't have a single uniform until the new uniform is rolled out next fall. Also, LUS and LAA crews won't be integrated for sometime—2Q17 at the earliest, but likely later. They will continue on in their respective legacy bases until a single crew management system is rolled out. No date or timeframe has been given for that, but we do know it will not happen before both legacy airlines are on a single bidding system which is slated for May 2017. The combined crew management system could be implemented the same day, but not before.
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:52 am

Quoting deltaffindfw (Reply 29):
Quoting BN727227Ultra (Reply 27):

AA2349 ORD-DFW was three hours late Friday night, wonder if that had anything to do with the conversion? The arriving flight from NRT was close to on time...

That would have nothing to do with the res cutover, since that is a LAA flight.

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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:26 pm

Quoting afcjets (Reply 30):
Did the UA/CO cutover and mess that followed only affect only one of the legacy's airlines routes?

Problems on the sUA side seemed to come from agents struggling (and cussing) at their *new* reservation system. I remember being added from a standby list at LAX gate 75B and being shouted at by a furiously typing gate agent, "Just get on the plane -- there are seats -- take any empty one you find -- we'll straighten this out after the plane departs." A week later at Denver, my UA ticket agent had a supervisor standing over her. My "You're using SHARES, aren't you," comment to the agent drew a muffled snicker and a cold stare from the supervisor. In 2010 the problems seemed city-by-city rather than system-wide. The customer service reps at the huge CS center at gate C20 at ORD turned into snarling Tasmanian devils.
 
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RE: No US Or AA Redeyes In LUS Markets

Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:40 pm

Regardless of the ultimate merits of any particular computer system, the people who have spent years comfortably using the system they know will -- in significant numbers -- resist the new system. Some people are faster than others in learning new systems, and they will always blame the system for any difficulties they have.

You can tell people how great the new system will be for them once they learn it, but most don't see why they should have to -- after all, the old system worked fine, no?

In my field, it was like pulling teeth to get folks who knew the Wang word processing system (at one time the best) to convert to Wordperfect (which at one time had special features useful to lawyers) and then to Word. Nobody bought the "PCs are the wave of the future" argument, or the "you will have a much-more-transportable skill" argument. They knew Wang, they liked Wang, they could make magic happen in minutes on Wang, and they had no confidence in their own ability to learn to do the same with some newfangled PC-based system. That translated to hatred for the system, until they saw their peers at other law firms doing the same successfully.

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