hunterboy
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BA Super Hi J

Sat Oct 17, 2015 7:42 pm

How many planes have been reconfigured and what is the planned rollout?
 
vv701
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RE: BA Super Hi J

Sat Oct 17, 2015 8:35 pm

Quoting hunterboy (Thread starter):
How many planes have been reconfigured

One done, seventeen to go. G-CIVF re-entered service on 15 September.

Since then the focus has been on starting the conversion of the six 'Hi J' to be reconfigured to the 'Mid J' spec. Three so far, G-CIVM followed by G-BNLN and 'LP.
 
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RE: BA Super Hi J

Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:50 pm

Is it just a change in the number of J seats or is there more to it?
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RE: BA Super Hi J

Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:04 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 2):
Is it just a change in the number of J seats or is there more to it?

I think it also includes new lighting, reupholstered seats in (what remains of) Y, new carpets and curtains, so the difference should be noticeable to all, not just in the number of J seats.

Btw BA were considering going with a campaign for this, along the lines of, "Your favourite just got better" -- btw we will soon mark forty-five years of 747 service at BA.
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RE: BA Super Hi J

Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:20 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 3):

Quoting EIRules (Reply 2):
Is it just a change in the number of J seats or is there more to it?

I think it also includes new lighting, reupholstered seats in (what remains of) Y, new carpets and curtains, so the difference should be noticeable to all, not just in the number of J seats.

Does this apply to both the aircraft being reconfigured to Mid J and to Super Hi J?
 
vv701
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RE: BA Super Hi J

Sun Oct 18, 2015 10:25 am

Quoting EIRules (Reply 2):
Is it just a change in the number of J seats or is there more to it?

Additionally the (not very reliable) Rockwell Collins IFE System is being replaced with the Panasonic eX3 System. In F Class the screens are 15", in J Class 10.4" and in W and Y Class 8.9".

In addition to the new curtains, carpets and lighting detailed by cedarjet new wall panels are being installed. Seats are, as previously stated, being recovered but only in the W and Y cabins. Additionally W Class seats are being fitted with a universal power socket that accepts British, American and European plugs. Y Class seats are being fitted with a USB socket to power both mobile/cell phones and tablets.

Of course the addition of 15 J Class seats requires a sacrifice in the number of Y Class seats. In the new configuration there will be 145 instead of 185.
 
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RE: BA Super Hi J

Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:34 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 1):
Since then the focus has been on starting the conversion of the six 'Hi J' to be reconfigured to the 'Mid J' spec. Three so far, G-CIVM followed by G-BNLN and 'LP.

And then there will be 3 more NLO IVO and NLK will all go to mid J. The reason is that they need the club seats from these aircraft to be refurbished to fit to the Super High J aircaraft.
Next Super high J into service will be IVS at end of November.
 
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RE: BA Super Hi J

Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:06 pm

Where are the W seats coming from then?   
 
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RE: BA Super Hi J

Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:11 pm

cedarjet, when did BA first operate the B747
 
vv701
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RE: BA Super Hi J

Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:10 pm

Quoting kdonohue (Reply 8):
when did BA first operate the B747

To be totally pedantic on the day they first operated, 1 September 1973. BOAC were operating 13 741s as at 31 August 1973, the day before they were operationally merged with BEA to form BA.

However to give you the answer you are looking for, BOAC had taken delivery of their first 741 in April 1970. However the airline was in dispute with its pilots over training to fly the type. So plans for their 741s to enter service that month fell through.

Tthe first BOAC revenue flight did not take place until a year later in April 1971. By then BOAC had a fleet of six parked 741s from their initial order of 12 frames.

Was there any up-side to this delay of 12 months? Not really. However by April 1971 most of the disruption to operators of the 741 caused by teething problems with its P&W JT-9D engines had gone away.
 
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RE: BA Super Hi J

Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:19 pm

Which routes do these super hi j birds fly?
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RE: BA Super Hi J

Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:42 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 10):
Which routes do these super hi j birds fly?

It has been reported that the current BA plan is to operate following flights with the 'Super Hi J' 744 before the end of the current Winter Season:

LHR-LOS-LHR (BA075/74). Daily
LHR-DXB-LHR (BA107/06). Daily
LHR-JFK-LHR (BA113/16). 3 x weekly
LHR-JFK-LHR (BA115/14). Daily
LHR-KWI-LHR (BA157/56). Daily
LHR-JFK-LHR (BA175/12). Daily
LHR-RUH-LHR (BA263/62). 2 x weekly
LHR-ORD-LHR (BA295/94). Daily
 
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RE: BA Super Hi J

Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:55 pm

Quoting pokfur (Reply 7):
Where are the W seats coming from then?

They are already fitted. There is no change in the number of W seats - as VV701 said, they are just being re-upholstered and fitted with new power sockets and IFE screens.
 
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RE: BA Super Hi J

Sun Oct 18, 2015 10:27 pm

Quoting RTFM (Reply 12):
Quoting pokfur (Reply 7):
Where are the W seats coming from then?

They are already fitted. There is no change in the number of W seats - as VV701 said, they are just being re-upholstered and fitted with new power sockets and IFE screens.

The Mid-J 747s have 36W seats, compared to 30W seats in the High-J and Super High-J 747s.

I suspect that the W seats, as well as some of the extra Y seats, are coming from some of the most recently withdrawn 747s, but that there weren't enough J seats hence why some Hi-J 747s are being reconfigured.
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RE: BA Super Hi J

Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:07 pm

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 13):
I suspect that the W seats, as well as some of the extra Y seats, are coming from some of the most recently withdrawn 747s, but that there weren't enough J seats hence why some Hi-J 747s are being reconfigured.

I think Wt and WTP seats have also come from 767's removed from service.
 
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RE: BA Super Hi J

Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:45 am

I wonder what the reduction in Y will do to those markets that are switching to Super High-J and don't have a lot of other service.
 
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RE: BA Super Hi J

Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:38 am

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 6):
And then there will be 3 more NLO IVO and NLK will all go to mid J.

It's amazing what difference a week makes...

G-BNLO and G-CIVO have since been reconfigured to the "Mid J" configuration are both back in service. G-BNLK positioned to CWL on Sunday for its reconfiguration and will presumably be back in service by the end of the week.

That marks the end of the F14C70W30Y177 configuration, so I believe three layouts remain in service:-

F14C52W36Y235 (x24 - incl. G-BNLK in work)
F14C70W30Y185 (x17)
F14C86W30Y145 (x1)

Is the intention still to have all 18 "Super Hi J" aircraft completed by July 2016?

Also keeping an eye out for the upcoming retirements of G-BNLX and G-BNLW in the coming weeks now that the Summer schedule is over.
Most Flown:- G-BUVA (20 Flights), EI-DEB (12 Flights), EI-JFK (11 Flights)
 
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RE: BA Super Hi J

Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:22 am

Can anyone supply the regs of the 18 aircraft to be converted to Super Hi-J? I'd assumed that it would be the 18 youngest frames (G-CIVO to 'VZ and G-BYGA to 'GG) but G-CIVF has already been converted, so it seems that some earlier frames have been chosen over later ones.
Also, with the drop in the price of oil, is there any chance that more than 18 frames will ultimately be kept on?
 
EIDAA
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RE: BA Super Hi J

Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:40 am

It should be the following 18 aircraft:-

G-BYGA
G-BYGB
G-BYGC
G-BYGD
G-BYGE
G-BYGF
G-BYGG
G-CIVF (complete)
G-CIVG
G-CIVH
G-CIVI
G-CIVR
G-CIVS
G-CIVV
G-CIVW
G-CIVX
G-CIVY
G-CIVZ
Most Flown:- G-BUVA (20 Flights), EI-DEB (12 Flights), EI-JFK (11 Flights)
 
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RE: BA Super Hi J

Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:28 am

On a slight tangent, which of the BA 747 fleet are fitted with the RB211-524G2-T engines, the T meaning they have a Trent core? I know a lot of the G-BNLx frames had these, but as a number have been withdrawn I'm assuming they have been fitted to G-CIVx and G-BYGx frames.
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pegasus1
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RE: BA Super Hi J

Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:53 pm

EIDAA - Many thanks for that info!

A few surprises there.
 
bgm
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RE: BA Super Hi J

Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:01 pm

G-BNLF seems to be sticking around until Feb, what route(s) will it operate? I believe after -BNLW/BNLX go it'll be the only 744 with the old F cabin.
 
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RE: BA Super Hi J

Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:39 pm

I would assume this is quite an investment in the 747's. How long does BA plan to keep them flying? Seems like it would be many years to see the big returns on these HI-J configured birds.

I know they were an absolute "NO" on the 747-8, but wouldn't have been a good thing to have them in HI-J configuration without sacrificing as much Y?
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RE: BA Super Hi J

Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:52 pm

Quoting VC10er (Reply 22):
Seems like it would be many years to see the big returns on these HI-J configured birds.

They will be around until 2025 or so, the mid-J ones will go sooner. The investment isn't that big though. The seats aren't new, just the seat covers, and there is a new IFE system.
 
TheReckoner
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RE: BA Super Hi J

Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:12 pm

Are any of the 777 fleet being refurbished?

It seems some still have the old W and Y seats.
 
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RE: BA Super Hi J

Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:26 pm

Quoting thereckoner (Reply 24):
It seems some still have the old W and Y seats.

And it's the newer 772s which have the old W and Y seats; the oldest 772s have the new interior.

Quoting Andy33 (Reply 23):
The seats aren't new, just the seat covers

They're very comfortable seats however!

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