Seems to me that the DL gaining market share in Colombia. MDE, CTG starting in DEC, looks like the 757 out of JFK / ATL to BOG. When will we still DL to CLO ?
john
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RE: DL To CTG, MDE, When CLO ....Colombia
This has been extensively discussed here:
Delta Adds 2 Destinations In Colombia: MDE & CTG (by summa767 Apr 5 2015 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=6364423&searchid=6366860&s=MDE#ID6366860
Delta Adds 2 Destinations In Colombia: MDE & CTG (by summa767 Apr 5 2015 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=6364423&searchid=6366860&s=MDE#ID6366860
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RE: DL To CTG, MDE, When CLO ....Colombia
None of DL's forays into South American secondary markets thus far - Guayaquil, Fortaleza, Recife, Brasilia - have proved up. If DL is successful in CTG and MDE, then sure, we might see them expand to CLO in a few years. But, first things first.
In DLs favor, the Colombian economy has been a bright spot in northern South America, even more so now with the collapse in oil prices. Cheap oil will help DL on multiple levels. Also tourism is growing (read CTG) as the country sheds its former reputation. Maybe these factors will provide a tail wind to DL's Colombian expansion. I hope it works out, Colombia is a wonderful country and it would be great to see proliferation of links to USA.
In DLs favor, the Colombian economy has been a bright spot in northern South America, even more so now with the collapse in oil prices. Cheap oil will help DL on multiple levels. Also tourism is growing (read CTG) as the country sheds its former reputation. Maybe these factors will provide a tail wind to DL's Colombian expansion. I hope it works out, Colombia is a wonderful country and it would be great to see proliferation of links to USA.
RE: DL To CTG, MDE, When CLO ....Colombia
There will probably be another wave of destinations to Colombia that could include CLO, BGA, ADZ, BAQ and SMR. The future is bright for Colombia
Felipe Carrillo
RE: DL To CTG, MDE, When CLO ....Colombia
B6 had been already aggressive in Colombia and successful. I have Colombian in-laws and they love and swear by flying B6. DL is able to afford the losses while they play catch-up, but I don't think their foray into that market can match up with B6 better product imo.
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RE: DL To CTG, MDE, When CLO ....Colombia
CLO is Colombia's third largest city, and yet it is only served by one US airline: AA. neither JetBlue that serves MDE and CTG, or Spirit that serves 4 cities in Colombia, 2 of them smaller than CLO have opted to serve it.
AA is putting on an additional daily MIA-CLO for December/January -peak season in this market. This will be the first time that AA does that and so they must see an opportunity there.
I guess that it will be a matter of time before another US carrier lands in CLO. For the moment is doing quite well with European ones: KL started service there in March of this year, and IB followed in July -both as riangular routes with BOG and MDE respectively. AV has dedicated service to MAD 5 times a week too.
AA is putting on an additional daily MIA-CLO for December/January -peak season in this market. This will be the first time that AA does that and so they must see an opportunity there.
I guess that it will be a matter of time before another US carrier lands in CLO. For the moment is doing quite well with European ones: KL started service there in March of this year, and IB followed in July -both as riangular routes with BOG and MDE respectively. AV has dedicated service to MAD 5 times a week too.
RE: DL To CTG, MDE, When CLO ....Colombia
| Quoting summa767 (Reply 7): CLO is Colombia's third largest city, and yet it is only served by one US airline: AA. neither JetBlue that serves MDE and CTG, or Spirit that serves 4 cities in Colombia, 2 of them smaller than CLO have opted to serve it. |
I've always wondered about this. Do you think it's because MDE/CTG have a larger catchmen area? I know MDE is surrounded by many large cities and towns up, and down the valley. CTG has the beach tourist attraction, with nearby islands and such.
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RE: DL To CTG, MDE, When CLO ....Colombia
I think one would be surprised to see the connecting traffic to CLO on DL to BOG.
My thought Excally, Ive been in and out of CLO 35X in the past 3 years (always connect on DL out of BOG). The pricing between CLO and BOG can vary, I am sure AV is aware of the limited connections options for PAX connecting off the late night arrival bank from the USA. Choices are simple, overnight in BOG or pay the fare, I have paid more to travel to CLO from BOG than the one way JFK - BOG on DL
IMO DL has made a wise investment in Colombia, I personally feel that Colombia has much more to offer than the Caribbean and just a few more miles down the road. I would love for DL in CLO !
| Quoting summa767 (Reply 7): |
My thought Excally, Ive been in and out of CLO 35X in the past 3 years (always connect on DL out of BOG). The pricing between CLO and BOG can vary, I am sure AV is aware of the limited connections options for PAX connecting off the late night arrival bank from the USA. Choices are simple, overnight in BOG or pay the fare, I have paid more to travel to CLO from BOG than the one way JFK - BOG on DL
IMO DL has made a wise investment in Colombia, I personally feel that Colombia has much more to offer than the Caribbean and just a few more miles down the road. I would love for DL in CLO !
RE: DL To CTG, MDE, When CLO ....Colombia
Cali is a very small market to the United States with demand very heavily concentrated to South Florida (80%+), much more so than other markets that are increasingly seeing demand spread across the country.
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RE: DL To CTG, MDE, When CLO ....Colombia
| Quoting AA767400 (Reply 8): Do you think it's because MDE/CTG have a larger catchmen area? |
Yes both CTG and MDE have a large catchmen area, but so does CLO (even more than CTG). Cali and its proximity to one of Colombia's largest ports on the Pacific are a growing influence on the economy, Cali is Colombia's stronghold for sports as it's a must host city for international events and the Valle del Cauca and Choco regions are being recognise internationally for tourism. It's only a matter of time before more direct routes are added
Felipe Carrillo
RE: DL To CTG, MDE, When CLO ....Colombia
| Quoting Frostbite (Reply 2): Also tourism is growing (read CTG) as the country sheds its former reputation. |
And rightfully so. Just got back from my first trip to CTG, and am in absolute LOVE with the place.
It's like Cancun was in the '80s. I can definitely see it blowing up in popularity.
USAmericans may be delayed in partaking though, if Cuba opens up to them for general tourism any time soon.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
RE: DL To CTG, MDE, When CLO ....Colombia
The Cali market has been stagnant to the US. No new capacity has been added for years until now with the new AA frequency and 0 LCCs have even mentioned Cali in their plans. I think this has to do with the fact that the Valle del Cauca economy has stagnant until very recently (around 5-7 years) and that airport concessionaire Aerocali hasn't focused it's efforts in promoting Cali as a destination to US carriers (they focused more on Europe).
Yes Medellín metro area has around 3.5 million people, Cali has around 2.8 and Cartagena around 1.1. But CLO is nowhere the tourist destination that CTG is, nor has the strong and dynamic economy of the Aburrá Valley.
Yes. This will surely shape up Cali's economy to focus on the asian markets. US west coast connection opportunities could be seen.
Do you really think that having a couple of third tier sports events a year generates traffic for year-round flights to the United States?
Chocó? The day we see masses of american tourists filling flights to Cali in order to get to Chocó (it's even closer to get there from Medellín)...
I think that your analyses on market sizes are very important and objective, but they always lack the market stimulation factor. No one would have thought that a city like Armenia would be able to sustain NK's flights to FLL. Yet there they are. Many markets seem stagnant but when new capacity is added, specially by low fare airlines, they rapidly respond.
I think Cali has the potential for a couple of LCC flights to FLL/JFK.
| Quoting pipeafcr (Reply 11): Yes both CTG and MDE have a large catchmen area, but so does CLO (even more than CTG). |
Yes Medellín metro area has around 3.5 million people, Cali has around 2.8 and Cartagena around 1.1. But CLO is nowhere the tourist destination that CTG is, nor has the strong and dynamic economy of the Aburrá Valley.
| Quoting pipeafcr (Reply 11): Cali and its proximity to one of Colombia's largest ports on the Pacific are a growing influence on the economy |
Yes. This will surely shape up Cali's economy to focus on the asian markets. US west coast connection opportunities could be seen.
| Quoting pipeafcr (Reply 11): Cali is Colombia's stronghold for sports as it's a must host city for international events |
Do you really think that having a couple of third tier sports events a year generates traffic for year-round flights to the United States?
| Quoting pipeafcr (Reply 11): and the Valle del Cauca and Choco regions are being recognise internationally for tourism. |
Chocó? The day we see masses of american tourists filling flights to Cali in order to get to Chocó (it's even closer to get there from Medellín)...
| Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10): ali is a very small market to the United States with demand very heavily concentrated to South Florida (80%+), much more so than other markets that are increasingly seeing demand spread across the country. |
I think that your analyses on market sizes are very important and objective, but they always lack the market stimulation factor. No one would have thought that a city like Armenia would be able to sustain NK's flights to FLL. Yet there they are. Many markets seem stagnant but when new capacity is added, specially by low fare airlines, they rapidly respond.
I think Cali has the potential for a couple of LCC flights to FLL/JFK.
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