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BA Dreamflight 18 Oct

Mon Oct 19, 2015 12:08 pm

The flight left UK on Sunday,did not see any coverage here.
http://www.thebasource.com/british-a...bnlf-operates-orlando-dreamflight/

Did they get the usual police escort from the airport?
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RE: BA Dreamflight 18 Oct

Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:03 pm

Quoting readytotaxi (Thread starter):

Yes usual police escort and road closures, it really is something great that BA do.

There is also a dreamflight page on Facebook.
 
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RE: BA Dreamflight 18 Oct

Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:36 pm

I saw something on FR24 yesterday and thought it looked like a charter, and it cruised abnormally low for an long-haul at fl25-30 for the majority of the journey. I see the honours were given to the banger G-BNLF which seems to be refusing to accept It's pension.

[Edited 2015-10-19 09:38:38]
 
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RE: BA Dreamflight 18 Oct

Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:18 pm

Quoting BA174 (Reply 2):
I see the honours were given to the banger G-BNLF which seems to be refusing to accept It's pension.

Not going to give up anytime soon it seems. 
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RE: BA Dreamflight 18 Oct

Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:46 pm

Quoting BA174 (Reply 2):
I see the honours were given to the banger G-BNLF

It had accumulated 110,794 hrs flying time as of 31 December last. So it is probably somewhere close to 114,000 at this time.

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 3):
Not going to give up anytime soon it seems

Was due to be retired next month. But the accident to 772 G-VIIO at LAS requires the transfer of another 772 from the BA LHR Fleet to LGW. As a result 'LF got another extension up to next February.

Returning to the Dreamflight does anyone know if 'LF was given 'Dreamflight' titles? Or did it miss out with the paint shop at LHR closed for major maintenance?
 
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RE: BA Dreamflight 18 Oct

Mon Oct 19, 2015 6:29 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 4):

It had the titles applied.
 
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RE: BA Dreamflight 18 Oct

Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:15 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 4):
Was due to be retired next month. But the accident to 772 G-VIIO at LAS requires the transfer of another 772 from the BA LHR Fleet to LGW. As a result 'LF got another extension up to next February.

It's already had several life extensions as it was supposed to be gone early last year, then September last year and then round about now and now it seems next year. Anybody know what the low cruising altitude was due to? FL25-28 is very low for a TATL sector especially when everything else in the vicinity is up at FL38-41?
 
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RE: BA Dreamflight 18 Oct

Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:24 am

Quoting BA174 (Reply 6):
It's already had several life extensions as it was supposed to be gone early last year, then September last year and then round about now and now it seems next year. Anybody know what the low cruising altitude was due to? FL25-28 is very low for a TATL sector especially when everything else in the vicinity is up at FL38-41?

Probably flying relatively low to hold down the cabin pressure altitude for the benefit of any seriously ill children on board.
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RE: BA Dreamflight 18 Oct

Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:54 am

Quoting nikeherc (Reply 7):
Probably flying relatively low to hold down the cabin pressure altitude for the benefit of any seriously ill children on board.

Isn't it a 10,000 ft standard?
 
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RE: BA Dreamflight 18 Oct

Tue Oct 20, 2015 3:31 pm

I can verify the Dreamflight titles were applied but much smaller then years ago...I took pics and tried to post them here but for some reason it wont take them..
 
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RE: BA Dreamflight 18 Oct

Tue Oct 20, 2015 3:42 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 8):
Isn't it a 10,000 ft standard?

No, 10K is for loss of cabin pressure. A lower altitude allows for the pressure inside the aircraft to be closer to that of sea-level. I've no idea how the pressurisation system on a 747 works in detail, but with a cruising altitude around 28K and all packs running, I'd hazard a guess they'd be able to maintain a pressure very close indeed to sea-level. Which makes it all-round more enjoyable experience, particularly for anyone suffering from a respiratory disorder.

Yes, it'll burn more fuel. A lot more. And even more still if they were flying with the re-circulation fans off, which I suspect they might have done to ensure the cleanest air possible inside the cabin. But who cares? We're talking sick kids here, money should be of no object what so ever.

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RE: BA Dreamflight 18 Oct

Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:03 pm

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 10):
I'd hazard a guess they'd be able to maintain a pressure very close indeed to sea-level

Are you sure? I thought cabin altittude was a standard 10,000 ft above er...FL100? Anyone?
 
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RE: BA Dreamflight 18 Oct

Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:09 pm

I never heard of this. I think its brilliant! Great for BA. Does anyone know of any other carriers out there that does the equivalent?
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RE: BA Dreamflight 18 Oct

Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:19 pm

Quoting cyow (Reply 12):

A few years ago I was shocked when I saw a US Airways A321 doing a very low and slow fly over of Disney World. It circled around twice. They too had a special flight from Charlotte with terminally ill children on board and got special permission for the fly over..
 
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RE: BA Dreamflight 18 Oct

Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:21 pm

here is a previous thread about it....

The Dreamflight And BA's 747s (by VV701 Jun 12 2012 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: BA Dreamflight 18 Oct

Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:24 pm

Quoting crownvic (Reply 14):

here is a previous thread about it....

The Dreamflight And BA's 747s

Thanks! Pretty cool thing. Flying for the first time is a wonder and surely those kids would never forget something like that.
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RE: BA Dreamflight 18 Oct

Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:39 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 11):
Are you sure? I thought cabin altittude was a standard 10,000 ft above er...FL100? Anyone?

Being a former driver of the infernal things, yes, think I've good a fairly reasonable grasp of the concept.

The cabin pressure altitude is a function of the pressure differential you're able to maintain via the airconditioning and pressurisation packs, and the altitude you'd be flying at. Some biz jets are able to maintain a zero feet altitude up to ridiculous altitudes, something an airliner can't duplicate. However, one the selling points - if you will - of the 787 is that it's able to maintain a lower cabin altitude than it's contemporaries, something in the order of 4000ft when flying the airways. Conversely, the kite I sued to drive kept us at around 6K up to 40K. Therefore, a 747 with all packs running and bumbling along at FL250ish could very well be able to maintain a cabin altitude close to zero.

Which, once again, is very nice of them indeed. If they'd kept shovelling coal at a sufficiently high rate, they might also have got there a bit faster than normal (less headwinds down low and higher TAS at same M).
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RE: BA Dreamflight 18 Oct

Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:47 pm

Here is a link to an ITN video of preparations leading up to the departure of last Sunday's Dreamflight:

http://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/up...dren-on-the-holiday-of-a-lifetime/

The actual boarding and departure is between 2 mins 32 secs and the end of the video. 'LF has the Dreamflight logo above the rear windows of the F Class cabin and lowercase, multicolour 'dreamflight' titles on its upper mid fuselage as first seen on the 2012 Dreamflight aircraft, G-BNLG.
 
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RE: BA Dreamflight 18 Oct

Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:39 pm

Well the flight returned to LHR this morning, hope everyone had the time of their lives.

And it got me wondering about the flight crew, what happens to them for 10 days? Surely they don't sit around the pool and shop until the return flight is ready, do they dead head back to london and a fresh bunch fly out when the time is right?
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RE: BA Dreamflight 18 Oct

Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:00 am

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 18):

I know for a fact the aircraft flew out over the weekend as it was missing in action from the West ramp where it was parked the whole time. where it went I have no idea
 
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RE: BA Dreamflight 18 Oct

Wed Oct 28, 2015 5:09 am

The operating crew form part of the children's carers while they are out in Orlando, it takes a lot of volunteers to look after the kids
 
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RE: BA Dreamflight 18 Oct

Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:53 am

What a wonderful thing BA do. They deserve every bit of good publicity they get for this, and more. Very proud of my hometown airline.
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RE: BA Dreamflight 18 Oct

Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:28 am

What costs do BA absorb / promo provide as part of this flight? Obviously fuel has to be paid for as would the airport slots. Ive seen Dreamflight fundraisers over the years, and the website does suggest an overall cost of £750k for the flight.

How much of the flight is BA funded? If they do subsidise, its something they don't seem to trumpet too much so very low key from them?

Kudos either way to all those involved! My little brother went to Orlando many years ago via another organization via Thomson Airlines and Manchester Airport and he loved it (he's spastic quadriplegic and permanently in a wheel chair). He is now 32 years old, and still talks about going to Disney!
 
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RE: BA Dreamflight 18 Oct

Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:47 am

Quoting UKtoOzFlyer (Reply 22):
What costs do BA absorb / promo provide as part of this flight?

There was a thread some time back that discussed these flights and, if I remember correctly, it goes something like this:

Crew: Volunteers on their own time.
Aircraft: Sponsored by BA.
Fuel: Sponsored by a fuel company.
Airport fees: Waived/sponsored by the airport.

I don't recall if any of the accommodation and entrance fees to the various parks are paid-for or sponsored.
 
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RE: BA Dreamflight 18 Oct

Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:01 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 21):
What a wonderful thing BA do. They deserve every bit of good publicity they get for this, and more. Very proud of my hometown airline.

Seconded. But I would add to this so many people in Orlando from the Police Department to the local volunteers whose contribution to the welfare and enjoyment of the kids is so important. To this must be added Disneyworld, Sea World and their employees who ensure the kids have the time of their lives.
 
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RE: BA Dreamflight 18 Oct

Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:42 pm

Quoting crownvic (Reply 19):

Not sure about the rest of the weekend but it was definitely parked up on the west ramp on Saturday afternoon..
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RE: BA Dreamflight 18 Oct

Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:56 am

Quoting UKtoOzFlyer (Reply 22):
If they do subsidise, its something they don't seem to trumpet too much so very low key from them?

BA steers well clear of trumpeting its contribution to a national charity. It leaves all the publicity to the charity itself that needs to raise the necessary funds. So here is an example of the TV coverage of this year's return home of the children. It focuses on the visit not those that made it happen.

I suspect that BA's approach goes something along the lines of 'To try to take commercial advantage of a flight carrying 192 seriously ill and disabled children and their carers is inappropriate.' So the TV report does not even mention the airline's involvement.

Scroll down a littlw way on this link to read the report:

http://www.itv.com/news/meridian/?page=2

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