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Cathay To Quit Doha

Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:25 pm

Service ends 15 February, quoting jacobchoi from CX livery thread:

"but I just read that CX is discontinuing DOH, and there will be no more CX code on QR flights from DOH onwards. So I suppose the JV is going to be ended? Anybody know why especially when QR was doing pretty well on its own with 2x daily not long ago?

http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...acific-to-discontinue-doha-service

http://www.swirepacific.com/en/media/presseach.php?f=p151019.htm "

[Edited 2015-10-19 06:38:19]
 
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:40 pm

I don't found this strange at all. People need to remember that both SQ and especially CX carry ALOT of Filipino workers from the Middle East. Recently QR increased their MNL/CRK flights to tripple daily and 5J launched a nonstop flight to Doha. I believe CX lost many pax due to this. The same goes for SQ quitting AUH two years ago and decreasing Saudi now. It is not a coincidence that PR/5J both made a major entry in the region right prior to this...
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:42 pm

I wonder why that is, flights are packed at the moment.
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:01 pm

This continues the trend of CX reducing its profile in the region. Remember both AUH and JED were also dropped last year.

Quoting cityairline (Reply 1):
I don't found this strange at all.

  

Quoting zeke (Reply 2):
I wonder why that is, flights are packed at the moment.

As we know full planes don't equal profits. Have 85% LF with primarily ethnic workers does not help much if you are not selling enough $5,000 tickets up front.
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:05 pm

Quoting zeke (Reply 2):
I wonder why that is, flights are packed at the moment.

I'm sure you know this but I'll say it anyway - a packed flight in no way equates to a profitable flight.
 
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:06 pm

Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
and there will be no more CX code on QR flights from DOH onwards.

Will CX have its code on QR flights between HKG and DOH?

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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:10 pm

Quoting winginit (Reply 4):
I'm sure you know this but I'll say it anyway - a packed flight in no way equates to a profitable flight.

True, and even if its profitable (which I suspect it is given the pax/cargo LF), there maybe even more profit available on a different route with the equipment that is being deployed on the route.
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:28 pm

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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:52 pm

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 3):

This continues the trend of CX reducing its profile in the region. Remember both AUH and JED were also dropped last year.

Actually just about every east Asian carrier has shrunk in that region in the past 10 years despite having expanded there, what happened?
 
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:58 pm

Disappointing, I vaguely remembered when the CX/QR partnership was launched, it was hailed as a solution for Cathay to gain access to a new array of destinations: Madrid, Barcelona, Athens, Budapest, Nairobi, Istanbul, Sao Paulo, Muscat and Jeddah. Now they are all gone.
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:08 pm

I quite don't get this as well. I used this flight two times on HKG-DOH-GRU. Both times the flight was packed in C class (A330)
 
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:12 pm

Quoting geoshina (Reply 10):
I quite don't get this as well. I used this flight two times on HKG-DOH-GRU. Both times the flight was packed in C class (A330)

CX is dropping the flight, not QR.

Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
Anybody know why especially when QR was doing pretty well on its own with 2x daily not long ago?

Probably b/c QR is a bottom feeder that was hoovering up the locals, beyond DOH, and beyond HKG all at once? The local DOH market is very small, so if CX is not getting the flow, or it's so cheap it's not worth it, then there goes DOH.
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:17 pm

Quoting CXoneworld (Reply 9):
Disappointing, I vaguely remembered when the CX/QR partnership was launched, it was hailed as a solution for Cathay to gain access to a new array of destinations: Madrid, Barcelona, Athens, Budapest, Nairobi, Istanbul, Sao Paulo, Muscat and Jeddah. Now they are all gone.

It was a fantasy to think any of the ME3 hubs are designed to help anyone except themselves.
 
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:18 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):
CX is dropping the flight, not QR.

He means the CX JV flight with QR codesharig on it, operated by CX on the first leg.
 
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:30 pm

Quoting zeke (Reply 6):
True, and even if its profitable (which I suspect it is given the pax/cargo LF), there maybe even more profit available on a different route with the equipment that is being deployed on the route.

Perhaps this move is needed in order to free up aircraft for the alleged launch of HKG-YEG-MIA in March.
 
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:39 pm

Quoting edmountain (Reply 14):
Perhaps this move is needed in order to free up aircraft for the alleged launch of HKG-YEG-MIA in March

Can an A333 handle this flight. Hard to see how the substitution may have worked.
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:45 pm

Quoting CXoneworld (Reply 15):

Quoting edmountain (Reply 14):
Perhaps this move is needed in order to free up aircraft for the alleged launch of HKG-YEG-MIA in March

Can an A333 handle this flight. Hard to see how the substitution may have worked.

Virtually out of the question. DL has performance restrictions using a 332 on SEA-HKG, so I can't imagine a 333 running YEG-HKG westbound with any meaningful payload.
 
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:49 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 16):
Virtually out of the question. DL has performance restrictions using a 332 on SEA-HKG, so I can't imagine a 333 running YEG-HKG westbound with any meaningful payload.

They'd have to downgrade some 777 route to A333 in order to free up capable aircraft.

But I'm still not drinking the HKG-YEG-MIA Koolaid, was mostly just stirring the pot with my post.
 
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:55 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 12):
It was a fantasy to think any of the ME3 hubs are designed to help anyone except themselves.

Any light shed on Qantas (which is in bed with Emirates?)   
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:09 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 13):

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):
CX is dropping the flight, not QR.

He means the CX JV flight with QR codesharig on it, operated by CX on the first leg.

That's right.

HKG-DOH using CX A332
DOH-GRU using QR B77L
 
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:20 pm

Such a shame! CX is out savior out of DOH when it comes to extraordinary fares. I guess, it was too good to be true.
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:35 pm

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 5):
Will CX have its code on QR flights between HKG and DOH?

No code-share on the route.
 
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:27 pm

So am I understanding right here - it's to stop feeding QR? So they can carry PAX themselves to/closer to their final destination?
 
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:12 pm

From my personal experience, I flew HKG-DOH earlier this year in J, there was only 3 of us in the cabin. Made it a fantastic flight but I guess it can't be sustained in the long run!
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:22 pm

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 21):
No code-share on the route.

You may want to read Cathay's press release again.  http://www.swirepacific.com/en/media/presseach.php?f=p151019.htm
 
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:03 am

Quoting a380787 (Reply 12):
It was a fantasy to think any of the ME3 hubs are designed to help anyone except themselves.

QF begs to disagree.
 
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Tue Oct 20, 2015 2:11 am

QR will have 2 daily flight between HKG and DOHA, the schedule is more or less same as the one CX currently flying.
HKG-DOHA flights will continue to code share with CX, but all the flights from DOHA to other destinations will no longer code share with CX.


It seems that HKG-DOHA is not profitable enough for CX as majority of passangers are holding QR's ticket and transit to other QR flights.
Which means that CX can only share a little portion of the revenue.

In addition, the flight operated by CX is consistently more expensive then the one QR operated and many of passangers tried to avoid the
CX operated flight due to CX's poor services standards.
 
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Tue Oct 20, 2015 2:26 am

Probably a good decision. Don't know what were they doing flying there in the first place.
 
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:14 am

Quoting a380787 (Reply 12):
It was a fantasy to think any of the ME3 hubs are designed to help anyone except themselves.

Seems far too general of a statement to make without any real evidence.

QF seems to have benefited from its relationship with EK for instance. Just because CX may not have seen the benifits it had hoped it may well be more a reflection on that individual case, rather than trying to paint that brush over all of the ME3.
 
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:17 pm

Quoting aryonoco (Reply 25):
QF begs to disagree.

I think EK gets a lot more out of that relationship than QF...
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:36 pm

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 29):

Quoting aryonoco (Reply 25):
QF begs to disagree.

I think EK gets a lot more out of that relationship than QF...

   It's probably loads better than QF's own metal to Europe, but I don't know that QF would qualify it as a success, rather than the least bad option.
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RE: Cathay To Quit Doha

Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:03 pm

Quoting MarcoPoloWorld (Reply 27):
Probably a good decision. Don't know what were they doing flying there in the first place.

Even me, I never saw the potential market for this route, I see for QR but not for CX.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 29):
I think EK gets a lot more out of that relationship than QF...

Of course, EK can work the kangaroo route without QF but with them they can attract some pax out of QF Oneworld and in the future keep them flying EK, however for QF is was a good choice, much better than QR or BA because DXB can give them also some OD traffic, maybe they could have consider EY but maybe it was too early for that.

Quoting edmountain (Reply 17):
They'd have to downgrade some 777 route to A333 in order to free up capable aircraft.

But I'm still not drinking the HKG-YEG-MIA Koolaid, was mostly just stirring the pot with my post.

I really doubt that route will be open soon, but it they really open it, it will be with B777, they can swap the plane in some other route to free up one capable plane,

Quoting hongkongflyer (Reply 26):
It seems that HKG-DOHA is not profitable enough for CX as majority of passangers are holding QR's ticket and transit to other QR flights.
Which means that CX can only share a little portion of the revenue.

Because the lack of O&D traffic, that´s a problem, and the other one is that CX offer plenty of destinations in China but the real high yield markets have QR non-stop flights already, so it´s difficult for CX to attract good yields consistently.

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