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First E190-E2 Prototype Photos

Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:45 am

Flightglobal is showing Embraer's incomplete E190-E2 prototype's first pictures.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...0-e2-takes-shape-in-brazil-418001/


http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=64383

http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=64382


With the CSeries' troubles, might the E2s be the New World's only counterfoil to the East's 100-seaters?
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RE: First E190-E2 Prototype Photos

Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:04 am

Quoting Devilfish (Thread starter):

Well that design won't work... detached tail a little too revolutionary!   
 
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RE: First E190-E2 Prototype Photos

Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:07 am

I believe the E2 program will be successful just because unlike the c-series it has a regional variant. The E75 will be the most successful in the line up. I know right now the 190 has the most overall orders, but airlines are still adding E75s to their fleets especially in the US.
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RE: First E190-E2 Prototype Photos

Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:55 am

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 1):
Well that design won't work... detached tail a little too revolutionary!   

reduces weight though!
 
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RE: First E190-E2 Prototype Photos

Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:08 am

I would say for a manufacturer's livery, it's kind of nice. As for the aircraft itself, it looks a bit different to the current one. Not sure how though.

Will the nose and tail have similar dimensions compared to the current model?

Regards.

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RE: First E190-E2 Prototype Photos

Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:27 am

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 1):
detached tail a little too revolutionary!   

It is the new "hover tail" inspired from Back to the future 2  
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
 
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RE: First E190-E2 Prototype Photos

Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:51 am

Quoting boeing773ER (Reply 2):
especially in the US

Only in the US you mean.
 
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RE: First E190-E2 Prototype Photos

Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:40 am

Wow I had no idea production was so far along. Can't wait to see it in the skies!
 
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RE: First E190-E2 Prototype Photos

Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:15 pm

Will be interesting to see how competitive it will be. If it wins against all those new RJs, then I am certain that we will not see many completely new airliners for quite some time and more NEOs, MAX or X versions of existing designs.
 
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RE: First E190-E2 Prototype Photos

Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:33 pm

What kind of improvements is this aircraft supposed to have? That is one of my favorite planes.
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RE: First E190-E2 Prototype Photos

Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:03 pm

Quoting B8887 (Reply 4):
As for the aircraft itself, it looks a bit different to the current one. Not sure how though.


Hmm, interesting. There´s a gap between the first pax window and the rest of them, gap that´s missing on regular E190s. I wonder what´s that, that I´m aware the E190E2 has the same size as the original E190, so no plugs.


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Looking at this picture, this E190 has 11 windows forward of the overwing exit, whilst the E190E2 prototype has only 9. So something else is happening besides the single missing window.

The number of windows aft of the overwing exit has increased on the E190E2, so maybe what happened is that the exit moved forward?

Unfortunately, and talking about the windows, the window spacing appears to be unchanged. A shame, that´s the only thing I donpt like about these planes.

The tailfin also looks different, original E190s have two different angles at the leading edge of it, a la 737 Classic/NG/Max, while the new one appears to, at least, have amore nuanced take on this (more like the 737-100/200 or A32S) Maybe it´s just the picture, and how it´s cropped though.

The doors look different as well.

EDIT

Looking at renderings of the E190E2, yes, the tailfin seems to have lost the leading fin. And, yes, there are 9 windows forward of the overwing exit.

[Edited 2015-10-21 10:09:27]
 
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RE: First E190-E2 Prototype Photos

Wed Oct 21, 2015 6:46 pm

Quoting avi8 (Reply 9):
What kind of improvements is this aircraft supposed to have? That is one of my favorite planes.

Geared turbofan engines
New wing
Improved FBW architecture (allows for smaller empannage, FBW ailerons)
Aerodynamic improvements to fuselage (it's already a 15 year old design)
New Avionics
Common type rating with "legacy" ejets for cost savings

Quoting PlunaCRJ (Reply 10):
Looking at this picture, this E190 has 11 windows forward of the overwing exit, whilst the E190E2 prototype has only 9. So something else is happening besides the single missing window.

Prototypes will often have windows blanked out or omitted for weight savings and there is no need for a window where test equipment is.
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RE: First E190-E2 Prototype Photos

Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:21 pm

Quoting boeing773ER (Reply 2):
but airlines are still adding E75s to their fleets especially in the US.
Quoting queb (Reply 6):


Only in the US you mean.

Shuttle America, Envoy Air and .....KLM Cityhopper.....

makes it US and Europe!
 
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RE: First E190-E2 Prototype Photos

Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:12 am

Does the E2 have a completely new wing, and tail?

The 195 is going to be stretched even further correct?
 
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RE: First E190-E2 Prototype Photos

Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:14 pm

Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 13):
Does the E2 have a completely new wing, and tail?

Yes. They're pitching a 20 percent efficiency gain out of the aircraft.
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RE: First E190-E2 Prototype Photos

Wed Nov 04, 2015 11:11 am

And now the PW1900G engine made its first flight.

http://www.pw.utc.com/Press/Story/20151103-1130/2015/All%20Categories

Quote:
The Pratt & Whitney PW1900G PurePower® Geared Turbofan™ (GTF) engine for the Embraer E190-E2 and E195-E2 aircraft, successfully completed its first flight, initiating the engine's flight test program. The PW1900G engine model, which was assembled at Pratt & Whitney's Middletown Engine Center in Connecticut, flew on Pratt & Whitney's 747SP flying test bed at the company's Mirabel Flight Test Center, in Mirabel, Quebec, Canada.


[Edited 2015-11-04 03:12:04]
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RE: First E190-E2 Prototype Photos

Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:19 pm

Quoting PlunaCRJ (Reply 10):
Hmm, interesting. There´s a gap between the first pax window and the rest of them, gap that´s missing on regular E190s. I wonder what´s that, that I´m aware the E190E2 has the same size as the original E190, so no plugs.


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Photo © John Padgett



Looking at this picture, this E190 has 11 windows forward of the overwing exit, whilst the E190E2 prototype has only 9. So something else is happening besides the single missing window.

Forward shift of center of lift. Enabled by the switch to full FBW and allows the smaller empennage (less downforce required).

Quoting pilotpip (Reply 14):
Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 13):
Does the E2 have a completely new wing, and tail?

Yes. They're pitching a 20 percent efficiency gain out of the aircraft

16% is what I've heard.

[Edited 2015-11-04 04:21:59]
 
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RE: First E190-E2 Prototype Photos

Wed Nov 04, 2015 1:25 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 15):
And now the PW1900G engine made its first flight.

http://www.pw.utc.com/Press/Story/20...ories

That's one huge engine for an aircraft the size of the ERJ190. It looks almost the same size as the new engine on the A320NEO. I'm looking forward to seeing this new variant.


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RE: First E190-E2 Prototype Photos

Wed Nov 04, 2015 2:04 pm

Quoting Okcflyer (Reply 16):
Forward shift of center of lift. Enabled by the switch to full FBW and allows the smaller empennage (less downforce required).

What does full FBW do that allows engineers to move the center of lift forward?

edit: just checked wikipedia - the computers help the pilot in controlling the aircraft, so smaller horizontal/vertical stabilizers are needed.

[Edited 2015-11-04 06:14:28]
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RE: First E190-E2 Prototype Photos

Wed Nov 04, 2015 2:20 pm

Those big PW's will look great on the E2 jet's little body! Looking forward to it!
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RE: First E190-E2 Prototype Photos

Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:26 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 17):

The 190E2 will be able to take off at MTOW on a 5500' runway and fly 2800nm with those PWs. It will have a raked wing so no wing/sharklets needed.
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RE: First E190-E2 Prototype Photos

Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:09 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 20):
The 190E2 will be able to take off at MTOW on a 5500' runway and fly 2800nm with those PWs. It will have a raked wing so no wing/sharklets needed.

Thats a great performance, it could be used so good for medium routes to smaller airports
 
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RE: First E190-E2 Prototype Photos

Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:43 pm

Great airplane. Although the comments from Jetblue about the durability of the components was somewhat negative. Maybe they can work on that. Is there a top-5 list of E-jet owner complaints?
 
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RE: First E190-E2 Prototype Photos

Wed Nov 04, 2015 7:11 pm

I LOVE THIS AIRPLANE!

If an all lie-flat biz class version could do TATL, I'd take it over a 767, A330 or 777. In a snap!

Parabens Embraer!
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RE: First E190-E2 Prototype Photos

Wed Nov 04, 2015 8:24 pm

So long as they meet or exceed their efficiency (over current 100-seater) targets, this airplane may finally be the one to make some serious inroads with the US carriers. I, for one, would love to have UA acquire a few dozen of these and enact that little clause in their pilot contract for more 76-seaters. What a fantastic frame this is turning out to be; I'm very excited to see where it's placed.
 
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RE: First E190-E2 Prototype Photos

Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:06 pm

Quoting B8887 (Reply 4):
As for the aircraft itself, it looks a bit different to the current one. Not sure how though.

Well, for starters, the aircraft pictured is about 2 additional feet off the ground on jacks. I'm sure that alone makes it look weird.
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RE: First E190-E2 Prototype Photos

Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:32 pm

Quoting panam330 (Reply 24):
finally be the one to make some serious inroads with the US carriers

There are hundreds E-jets operating for US carriers right now, what the heck are you talking about?

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