I knew of some redesigns in the oil cooling system, but this is more serious than what I was aware of.
This is going to cost the Falcon 5X
the lead to entry into service over the G500 that it was going to have. Gulfstream will now enter the same price point earlier and thus attract market interest. The 5X
just forfeited the first mover advantage.
|Quoting AirbusCanada (Reply 2):|
The immediate problem with the Silvercrest involves slight deformation of the engine casing during high-temperature testing.
That is significant... That implies a new casing which is non-trivial. The other parts would need a few months redesign, a few months for manufacturing, a few months for part qualification, then a few months of flight testing. A casing... is a *much* longer lead time item.
|Quoting rwessel (Reply 3):|
No, the 5X is a twin; the 7X is a tri-jet. Range is expected to be something like 5200nm.
This could impact engine selection of the trijet 9X.
Ok, enough off topic, but I personally like the trijet concept for a business jet and am looking forward to getting more information on what Dassault might offer.
|Quoting AirbusCanada (Reply 5):|
Yes, but Falcon wasn't planning to deliver too many 5X in the first 12 months anyways. Possibly less than 10.
Business jets don't sell in high volume like commercial aircraft.
Unfortunately, Falcon is hurting for deliveries. The 7X
has just met the market demand and customers were waiting for something with more range, the 8X. The Falcon 2000 has been in an interesting niche: lowest cost TATL aircraft. That niche is now pressured by used Gulfstreams, in particular the older GIV/G400s that are coming onto the market).
Now part of Falcon's issue is that right now the US business jet market is stronger than Europe (including Russia). I will comment that Falcon is now also facing much stronger competition in the mid-east due to Gulfstream investing more in that region's sales/service.
Article on US used business jet buyers buying up European planes:
Yes, I am aware of how close the Falcon 8X is getting to delivery, but it isn't bringing in revenue yet (on schedule 2H2016):
But Falcon is treading water in 2015 with revenue to be boosted in 2016 by the 8X and 2017 further by the 5X
. If there is a year delay to first flight, I would expect a year delay on delivery.
Article on deliveries down, but orders soaring on 5X
Article noting only 5 net Falcon sales in 2015 (not all bad, that is 25 orders minus 20 cancelations from Netjets, but how many were 5X
So unfortunately this delay has a significant sales impact as the Falcon 900/2000/7X are not selling like they did even a few years ago. I was unable to find the link on 1H2015 Falcon deliveries, but I recall them being down even further from 2014 (which wasn't a good year).
Note: Personally I'm an extreme fan of the Silvercrest. I'm going to admit I looked into the engine design/cost structure in detail as... well it is competing against an engine I wanted to win the Falcon 9x engine (PW812). I came away impressed with the Silvercrest's value proposition and elegant engineering.
Now personally, it is an interesting engine choice for the 5X
(rather high end plane with a cost saving engine, but Dassault has done that again and again with the Falcons). For the Cessna Longitude, it really is the only currently available engine choice (the PW812 is *far* too expensive for that airframe).
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