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Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Fri Oct 23, 2015 6:40 pm

... or "Green Wings (it's late and someone has just sprayed with silly spray, so I'm starting this thread under unusual conditions!)

Good evening folks and welcome to our 19th thread of 2015 ... the last few have seen some significant developments and the recent and much awaited EI announcement did not disappoint. 2016 is shaping up to be a very interesting year and not just on the EI front. Westjet will be sending in 767s and that probably means nonstop to YYZ, so I think we can expect the YHZ service to continue and perhaps continuing elsewhere - maybe YUL. We're only in October, so still plenty of time for new announcements.

I can't copy the link to the last thread, but hopefully someone else can (I'm on an Apple Mac and nothing works properly!)
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Fri Oct 23, 2015 6:56 pm

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
Westjet will be sending in 767s and that probably means nonstop to YYZ, so I think we can expect the YHZ service to continue and perhaps continuing elsewhere - maybe YUL. We're only in October, so still plenty of time for new announcements.

YHZ isn't a WestJet service - that's flown by Europe Airport / ASL France. YYT will almost certainly continue to be served. There's no confirmation of 767 for DUB either. This was based on a tweet, and not any available schedule.
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:31 pm

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
Irish 18/15: It Just Keeps Getting Better! (by kaitak Oct 14 2015 in Civil Aviation)

Posted with iPad  

Lots of positive news in the last thread. No real surprises given various leaks and rumours but great to see all the same.
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:42 pm

Is 18/15 one of the fastest Irish threads to reach 200 and be archived? That can only mean there is plenty to discuss.

I mentioned in the last thread that ET will be operating its EWR flight via DUB using A350's. I am looking forward to the 77W, 77L, 787 and A350 line up in the early hours next summer!
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:51 pm

WOW Air will increase KEF from 3 to 4 weekly from 15 May, good to see them doing really well.

Lufthansa will also increase MUC from 7 to 9 weekly between 22 July and 29 August, the daily flight moves to an 11.15 departure ex DUB, suspect it will boost transit passengers for LH however add pressure to stand allocation at DUB could well be dumped down to 100 gates as this summer Iberia's 11.05 departure was moved down in the mornings unless Air Canada's service was delayed.

Swiss also move the poor times of GVA schedule to 12.45/13.25 arr/dep DUB.

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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:25 pm

So EI's summer peak early JFK flight is definitely gone?
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Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:28 pm

Any hints at when ORK-BOS will be bookable?
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:45 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 6):
Any hints at when ORK-BOS will be bookable?

Unfortunately the press release from Norwegian stated it was only happening once they received approval on the US side.

Norwegian CEO Bjorn Kjos said: "...expansion relies on the U.S. Department of Transportation (DoT) finally approving Norwegian Air International’s application for a foreign carrier permit. Only DoT approval for NAI will unlock the door for these exciting new routes..."

Almost everyone took the confirmation of the flights by Norwegian at face value but the devil is in the detail as they say.

http://media.norwegian.com/en/#/pres...ton-new-york-and-barcelona-1224497

These flights will need to go on sale pretty soon if they want a successful May 2016 start!

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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:09 am

Quoting teahan (Reply 5):

Would appear so at the minute, unless EI spring a surprise in the next few weeks.

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 7):

Not so sure we will see the operate in 2016 if at all, a shame really but can't see the US approving the cert even with "Irish" routes planned, it will a long legal battle whatever happens

I really hope they get the go ahead.
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:24 pm

Quoting Cipango (Reply 3):

I have seen faster a few years back. Cant remember the topic though maybe Kaitak can shed light as the thread starter.
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:36 pm

AA A330-200, AA287 (CDG > CLT) just touched down at Dublin after turning back on it's routing over Scotland and squawking 7700. No fire equipment visible so am guessing a medical diversion.
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Sat Oct 24, 2015 1:29 pm

Quoting pilot21 (Reply 10):
AA A330-200, AA287 (CDG > CLT) just touched down at Dublin after turning back on it's routing over Scotland and squawking 7700. No fire equipment visible so am guessing a medical diversion.

Reported elsewhere that a female pax started labour
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:09 pm

What a busy few weeks and months it's been. Great to see things accelerating so much. I'm wondering if someone in the know can post the exact staus of EI's A32X subfleet at the moment. I'm not sure if airfleets.net or jethros are accurate at all right now, as I read on here recently that EI are down to 2 A319s and 2 A321s now but neither site reflect this. I'm not sure if this is even correct of not. Also some (or all?) of the Virgin Little Red A320s have rejoined the EI mainline fleet, leaving I don't know how many A320s in service now?

If someone has up to date and accurate information it would be great to share! Thanks!
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:28 pm

Quoting JAmie2k9 (Reply 8):
Not so sure we will see the operate in 2016 if at all, a shame really but can't see the US approving the cert even with "Irish" routes planned, it will a long legal battle whatever happens

I really hope they get the go ahead.

When it was announced, there were reports it would be bookable from December.

Have there been recent negative indications about Norwegian's chances of securing the foreign carrier certificate?
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:30 pm

Quoting Phen (Reply 12):
If someone has up to date and accurate information it would be great to share! Thanks!

Using the registration "search" function here shows three A321s and two A319s in service as of today.
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:58 pm

Here's a heads-up for some DUB spotters, Etihad's EY42 from DUB to AUH is scheduled to be operated by an A340-600 next Sunday, 31st October
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:32 pm

Quoting teahan (Reply 13):

I didn't see December so hopefully. It has been very quiet and didn't DY have to move B787 to Norwegian register in the last few months. I think LGW fleet short/long haul aircraft are only left on Irish register.

I don't know the US legal system but expect once granted any available channel open to US airlines to stop or get an injunction until proceedings take place will be used. Just look at the EY/EK row going on. The US seem to want the issue to disappear as I believe legally there is no reason not to grant it (DY say anyway).
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:54 pm

Quoting 321neo (Reply 15):

That will be a nice photo op! Hopefully the usuals will be out to catch it .
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Sat Oct 24, 2015 9:56 pm

I had a thought during the week after hearing the EI transatlantic expansion announcement. Does anyone else here reckon FR (and other European LCCs) will be as interested in how DUB-BDL works out as IAG will? I ask because of the long rumoured FR plans of launcing a transatlantic subsidiary flying routes between Europe and 'smaller' US airports? BDL seems to me to fit this description as it has a resonable catchment but currently lacks transatlantic services. We also know how much FR loves its subsidies to set up bases in smaller European airports. BDL certainly is by far the most interesting route from EI's announcement and I hope it is a success.
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Sat Oct 24, 2015 10:32 pm

Quoting irish251 (Reply 14):

Thank you! Seems like quite a fluid situation lately,
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:56 am

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 18):
had a thought during the week after hearing the EI transatlantic expansion announcement. Does anyone else here reckon FR (and other European LCCs) will be as interested in how DUB-BDL works out as IAG will? I ask because of the long rumoured FR plans of launcing a transatlantic subsidiary flying routes between Europe and 'smaller' US airports? BDL seems to me to fit this description as it has a resonable catchment but currently lacks transatlantic services. We also know how much FR loves its subsidies to set up bases in smaller European airports. BDL certainly is by far the most interesting route from EI's announcement and I hope it is a success.

i think FR has pretty much ruled this out. However, I certainly agree that the BDL route is very interesting and certainly one other carriers (particularly Norwegian, rather than FR) will watch. It's an ideal route for a 757.

I'm particularly interested in DY's long haul plans. I suspect it's only a starting point and I could see them setting up shop in DUB with routes to places like JFK, FLL, OAK, maybe even BKK in time. They recently ordered 19 new 789s, so they're definitely in expansion mode.
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:51 am

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 18):

I think some other LCC will look at it with interest but not FR. The TATL ideas are well past now. FR will look at feeding certain legacy airlines in future if anything.
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:20 pm

Quoting 321neo (Reply 15):

Here's a heads-up for some DUB spotters, Etihad's EY42 from DUB to AUH is scheduled to be operated by an A340-600 next Sunday, 31st October

Thanks - is that Saturday 31st October or Sunday 1st November? Don't mean to be picky, but thinking of the carbon foot-print of my hobby!  
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:29 pm

Quoting dergay (Reply 22):

Sunday 1 November, in Dublim between 7-8.30am.
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:30 pm

Hi guys

Any update on the ET B787 that came back to DUB with engine trouble? Has it been repaired or still at DUB?

Cheers
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:46 pm

Quoting SuperSix2 (Reply 24):
Hi guys

Any update on the ET B787 that came back to DUB with engine trouble? Has it been repaired or still at DUB?

Cheers

An ET 777F came in yesterday, presumably with a replacement engine.
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:12 pm

I believe the 787 positioned back to ADD that evening, a replacement 787 came from FRA to continue the journey to IAD. I think the 777F was unrelated.
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:22 pm

Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 26):
I think the 777F was unrelated.

DUB is really starting to become an ET mini-hub... at this rate they'll build a new runway themselves  
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:04 pm

The ET787 that requires a new engine is still in the hangar in DUB. Just saw it there today.
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:05 pm

Also saw an Air Canada A320 outside.

Far away from home.

[Edited 2015-10-26 08:06:05]
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:09 pm

Quoting RRTrent (Reply 27):
DUB is really starting to become an ET mini-hub... at this rate they'll build a new runway themselves

Its an unexpected return of a old business for Aer Rianta. Remember the older Soviet aircraft stpping in SNN enroute to Cuba?
The ET business also adds money to the daa which will give them a bit of leewy with adding facilites without massively inflating landing charges.
 
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Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:10 pm

Quoting RRTrent (Reply 27):
DUB is really starting to become an ET mini-hub...

It's funny the way it was debated for so long whether AI was going to move its stopovers to DUB, then seemingly out of the blue ET moved their stop to DUB from FCO. The addition of EWR next year may give an indication that things are working out well for them at DUB.

There's a rumour from somewhere else online that EK is to begin A380 services to DUB starting on St. Patrick's Day, 17th March 2016. To be taken with a pinch of salt, of course!  
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:35 pm

Quoting 321neo (Reply 31):

SNN must be kicking themselves re ET as the airline themselves said SNN were really inelastic about them at first but then DUB came on board.

Would be good to know how much the daa are benefiting but suppose we will never know.

As for EK the day itself would make sense for PR reasons but work has yet to commence on the stand but it could be completed by then though.

On another subject QR have announced BHX after years of speculation, DUB must be creeping up the list at some stage soon. I know people believe it could send EY packing but anybody think ti will happen medium term?
 
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Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:04 pm

Quoting JAmie2k9 (Reply 32):
SNN must be kicking themselves re ET as the airline themselves said SNN were really inelastic about them at first but then DUB came on board.

What exactly happened here? SNN could not have turned this business down without good reason. I think ET made the decision to set-up at DUB due to the perceived higher O&D demand to ADD and LAX. By adding the fuel stops to YYZ and IAD they probably got discounted rates as part of the deal with DAA.
 
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Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:19 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 33):

Not exactly sure but remember the CEO said they were inelastic but it sort of all stalled. I agree LAX would of swung in DUB's favor but I often think what happened as at the time rights had not been applied/granted etc.

I make off the daa would of matched or said they would do better than SNN. Had rights been refused I wonder could it of been a different outcome?
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:23 pm

It looks likely FR will make some cuts to SNN's summer schedule next year. Schedule not yet finalised, however.

SNN-NCE will not return
SNN-PIS will not return
SNN-MAN goes from daily to 5x weekly
SNN-FMM goes from 3x weekly to 2x weekly
SNN-BVA goes from 3x weekly to 2x weekly

http://clareherald.com/2015/10/ryana...ing-service-cuts-at-shannon-34980/
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:36 pm

Quoting 321neo (Reply 31):

So glad the AI rumour never happened! Just like PK at SNN its business to be cautious of !
 
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Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:08 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 36):
So glad the AI rumour never happened! Just like PK at SNN its business to be cautious of !

Also notions of Transaero VKO-SNN-MIA were doing the rounds two or three years ago.
 
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Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:58 pm

Quoting JAmie2k9 (Reply 32):
As for EK the day itself would make sense for PR reasons but work has yet to commence on the stand but it could be completed by then though.

Any prior one off flight can make do with a suitable Code E stand and some cones. Glasgow achieved that with a single boarding bridge also on the EK A380 PR flight.
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:04 pm

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 29):
Also saw an Air Canada A320 outside.

Far away from home.

A321 awaiting delivery after painting etc. at DUB. It's been stored at DUB since March as OE-IAL.

The Ethiopian 787 has had its engine changed and is currently taxiing out at DUB as ETH9202.

[Edited 2015-10-26 15:15:57]
 
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Tue Oct 27, 2015 9:54 am

Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 38):
Also notions of Transaero VKO-SNN-MIA were doing the rounds two or three years ago.

Speaking of Transaero and SNN, I wonder what will happen with the former Air Atlanta business they acquired a few years ago now that they have been bought out by SU?
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Tue Oct 27, 2015 9:57 am

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 40):
Speaking of Transaero and SNN, I wonder what will happen with the former Air Atlanta business they acquired a few years ago now that they have been bought out by SU?

SU backed out of buying UN so as of yesterday, it ceased operations. Its maintenance division based at SNN, Transaero Engineering Ireland was acquired by a new company called Atlantic Aviation Group last April.
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:02 am

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 33):
What exactly happened here? SNN could not have turned this business down without good reason.

I wouldn't say they turned it down but perhaps they viewed it as another PK here today/gone tomorrow contract.

I still believe that the fact that DUB has multiple connections to CDG,FRA,AMS was a factor in why it was chosen by ET so they could quickly get spare crews from any ET location in Europe to DUB if needed. Also ET engineers and parts could be dispatched from those same bases to DUB much quicker.
So i don't believe that the issue was that SNN didn't match DUB on the fees package.
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Tue Oct 27, 2015 2:39 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 37):

Indeed and look at them now !!
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:56 pm

FR commenced AMS this morning, they also announced a new twice weekly link to Vigo, Spain. May put some pressure on EI's Santiago de Compostela and even their own Porto.
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:07 pm

A Virgin Atlantic A330 operating flight VS108 (DTW-LHR) made an unscheduled stop at SNN this morning. Reason unknown (I suspect a medical diversion?).
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Tue Oct 27, 2015 6:35 pm

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 42):
I still believe that the fact that DUB has multiple connections to CDG,FRA,AMS was a factor in why it was chosen by ET so they could quickly get spare crews from any ET location in Europe to DUB if needed. Also ET engineers and parts could be dispatched from those same bases to DUB much quicker.

I'd imagine that with 3-4 daily stopovers (or 6-8 sectors) involving DUB and all widebody fleet types scheduled though DUB, it is, by a fair way, ET's largest European station. Do they have any maintenance facilities (beyond line capabilities) at DUB?
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Tue Oct 27, 2015 6:35 pm

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 42):
I still believe that the fact that DUB has multiple connections to CDG,FRA,AMS was a factor in why it was chosen by ET so they could quickly get spare crews from any ET location in Europe to DUB if needed. Also ET engineers and parts could be dispatched from those same bases to DUB much quicker.

DUB also has in effect dedicated ramp space (on the West Apron) for the transit-only flights and this is discrete from the passenger terminal area, so there is minimal interference to scheduled activity at DUB. The taxi times from and to the runway are correspondingly quite short, which must help a bit too. Not saying that SNN couldn't have offered similar but DUB is now a much bigger airport in terms of available ramp space and hence potential for further transit services in the future. Shannon's main ramp area has not been expanded in decades, other than the fenced-off section used for "sensitive" visitors.
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Tue Oct 27, 2015 7:17 pm

Quoting irish251 (Reply 47):
DUB is now a much bigger airport in terms of available ramp space and hence potential for further transit services in the future. Shannon's main ramp area has not been expanded in decades

Is SNN ever particularly short of ramp space? I imagine ET could have had contact stands for most of the flights, if the mood had so taken them! . Being busier does mean that DUB is more prone to delays, which might be less attractive to transit flights, but I suppose they could always use SNN as an alternate for the transit flights, if the occasion arose. SNN, DUB, or FCO, I sure it makes next to no difference. If ET were operating a scissor hub, that would be different, but I don't think ET offer any long-haul service from cities other than ADD?
 
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RE: Irish 19/15 - Sciathain Glas

Tue Oct 27, 2015 7:20 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 46):
I'd imagine that with 3-4 daily stopovers (or 6-8 sectors) involving DUB and all widebody fleet types scheduled though DUB, it is, by a fair way, ET's largest European station. Do they have any maintenance facilities (beyond line capabilities) at DUB?

Not that I'm aware, but there are plenty of providers and hanger space and rated engineers on their aircraft types. It shouldn't be too difficult to get anything they need done.

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