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Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:12 pm

Didn't see a thread on it, but as of today . AB has dissapeared...!!!!

Conspiracy theorists please...!
 
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:21 pm

Maybe they finally sold her to Dubai, as was rumored a number of years back.
 
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:32 pm

Yes, on her way to Dubai because Emirates has secretly bought her as their only possible counter to 'The Residence', lol ... after all, speed may be the only way of 'one-upmanship' between Emirates and Etihad in the uber-luxury stakes!
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:36 pm

I am sure it is undergoing maintenance to start services again because the fuel is very cheap now. Soon LHR-NYC will be only 3 and a half hours away.

However now I am not sure how they are going to manage to operate BA1 out of LCY, maybe BA can install a short field kit on it.
 
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:56 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 3):
However now I am not sure how they are going to manage to operate BA1 out of LCY, maybe BA can install a short field kit on it.

Yes! Retractable canard foreplanes!
Ooops! Wrong SST...
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:03 am

Brilliant
 
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:20 am

Interesting! Any ideas where it's gone?
 
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:42 am

Quoting TUGMASTER (Thread starter):
Didn't see a thread on it, but as of today . AB has dissapeared...!!!!

Why don't you check with the Heritage Concorde group on FB? Looks like it was moved officially and someone from that group can probably answer as to why.

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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:07 pm

The 24th October 2003 was the last flights of Concorde into Heathrow, Special event I believe.

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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:41 pm

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 2):
Yes, on her way to Dubai because Emirates has secretly bought her as their only possible counter to 'The Residence', lol ... after all, speed may be the only way of 'one-upmanship' between Emirates and Etihad in the uber-luxury stakes!

How about an all-Residence Concorde?
 
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Sat Oct 24, 2015 6:02 pm

It was taken to the hanger to be inspected and cleaned. I guess this is for it's last flight anniversary (on the 24th).
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Sat Oct 24, 2015 10:39 pm

Yep... It's in the paint bay to dry out.....
Also , the piles and piles of magazines that act as ballast are to be removed, and replaced with proper ballast.
Plan is to give it a clean... But not a new coat of paint.

Eventually, it is hoped you'd be able to walk thru it.

ua900 said.... "Looks like it was moved officially"....

Well..it's hardly likely to be moved unofficially is it....???
 
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:45 am

It went missing near IGARI  
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:34 am

Quoting LH422 (Reply 9):

How about an all-Residence Concorde?

Cabin width is 3 meters. Not too posh.
 
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:33 am

Hello all,

Just watched some of the videos of Concorde, especially the Heathrow final arrivals. I don't think there will be a commercial aircraft as beautiful as her in my lifetime...
 
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:46 am

Quoting kraz911 (Reply 14):
Just watched some of the videos of Concorde, especially the Heathrow final arrivals. I don't think there will be a commercial aircraft as beautiful as her in my lifetime...

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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:04 am

With the "Back to the Future" special date this month I thought it might have something to do with that, just vanished  
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:26 am

Quoting 777GE90 (Reply 10):
It was taken to the hanger to be inspected and cleaned.

  

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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:15 am

Great news Alpha Bravo is receiving some long overdue TLC. She was looking neglected when I flew from LHR a while back, the brown stains round the windows looked very sad.

Does anyone know if G-BOAB will be moved to a new location at LHR or back to the same parking spot?
 
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:32 am

So, the rumors about fitting new engines and cabin seem to be true, right?   
 
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Sun Oct 25, 2015 11:27 am

Damn - I was hoping for 89 threads MH style!
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:21 pm

I'm not saying it's aliens, but...
 
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Sun Oct 25, 2015 2:14 pm

It's being prepared for a London flypast on Friday with a B789 on each wing tip

G-ZBKB and G-ZBKC I believe.
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:10 pm

Quoting uta999 (Reply 22):
It's being prepared for a London flypast on Friday with a B789 on each wing tip

Wishful thinking. Even if it were true, it would be a marketing fail by BA, as nobody would be looking at the 789s in that particular flypast.
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:29 pm

Who funded the cleaning? Perhaps a pre-requisite for inspection by the syndicate looking to get one back in the air. They can use this aircraft as a reference to inspect others. Standby for a spate of Concorde cleaning.
 
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:24 pm

Quoting Planesmart (Reply 24):
Who funded the cleaning?

Air France found a bit of money in their cleaning budget, interests from a one time booking in 1951.
 
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Sun Oct 25, 2015 11:22 pm

The aircraft in the Hangar is made from string and cornflakes boxes I have heard from a reliable source in Langley. The real aircraft was abducted by zombies.
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:06 am

Quoting uta999 (Reply 22):
It's being prepared for a London flypast on Friday with a B789 on each wing tip

G-ZBKB and G-ZBKC I believe.

Ah, how I wish that were true. Sadly if somehow someone had managed to arranged for Concorde to fly again, it would take many, many months of work just to get her to be able to taxi on her own power.

Apparently AB is nothing more than a shell full of old damp magazines.
She was de-fuelled and had her hydraulic fluid drained. That means all the seals will have dried up, hoses cracked, etc.

The Air France Concorde that has it's hydraulic system pressurised to lift the nose and operate the flaperons every so often for museum guests to watch has more chance of flying than any BA Concorde.
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:54 am

Quoting garpd (Reply 27):

The Air France Concorde that has it's hydraulic system pressurised to lift the nose and operate the flaperons every so often for museum guests to watch has more chance of flying than any BA Concorde.

I was there for the May 2010 boroscoping that they did on her, and even then she had corrosion. Can't imagine what it's like, a half decade later.

Unless some insanely-rich desert oil sheik dies and leaves it all behind to Concorde, she ain't flying again-- just like the rest of them.
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:59 am

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 25):
Air France found a bit of money in their cleaning budget



That budget is always in surplus.   
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:50 am

Not sure if it has happened this time but the BA apprentices are normally charged with looking after her, obviously with some help.
 
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:54 pm

Quoting Planesmart (Reply 24):
Perhaps a pre-requisite for inspection by the syndicate looking to get one back in the air. They can use this aircraft as a reference to inspect others.


G-BOAB (and G-BOAA as well) was never modified after the CDG crash. Further most of its interior fittings were removed and donated to the Brooklands Museum for use in conjunction with G-BBDG.

G-BOAB last flew on 14 August 2000, two days before the crash. Its CoA was withdrawn just over a year later on 19 September 2001.

As it is unmodified and has had all its fittings removed the cost of returning 'AB to the air would be significantly higher than the prohibitive cost of returning a Concorde to the air that was modified and has not had its interior stripped out.

In terms of its inspection and clean-up I believe this is the first it has had since just before it was displayed at the BA Family Day in September 2010.
 
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:18 pm

Question is though why have BA left this COncorde at LHR? Why was it not sent to a museum? Elvington would have been ideal.
 
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:41 pm

I'm sure if any museum wanted it enough they would have taken the necessary steps to get it.
Still feel displayed properly on the roundabout outside T5 at LHR should be the place for it.
 
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:46 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 31):
G-BOAB last flew on 14 August 2000, two days before the crash.

   The crash was July 25, 2000.....
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Tue Oct 27, 2015 2:31 am

Quoting TC957 (Reply 33):
Still feel displayed properly on the roundabout outside T5 at LHR should be the place for it

  

Definitely, but you know EK or someone else would manage to outbid them on the roundabout space...
 
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:29 am

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 32):
Question is though why have BA left this COncorde at LHR? Why was it not sent to a museum? Elvington would have been ideal.

I believe it was supposed to be a centre-piece for Terminal 5 at Heathrow until a change of ownership at BAA and the project was shelved.

I also understand that the airport charges BA fees for space at the airport and that is why it is often parked on the BA maintenance apron but I am happy to be corrected.

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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:45 am

I understand its normal resting place is on BA land and not HAL so no cost in keeping it there.

I do remember seeing plans at one point about it going in the area between T5 and the Car Park but they decided to plant trees instead!
 
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:07 am

It is quite simple, it is undergoing basic storage upkeep. People need to get real. The ac is being prepared to fly to my lair.  
 
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Tue Oct 27, 2015 2:23 pm

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Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 32):
Question is though why have BA left this COncorde at LHR?

It was never modified after the Paris crash. So since September 2001 its only way out of Heathrow has been by road.

This was not impossible. 'AA was also not modified. It was disassembled at LHR by Air Salvage International. It was then placed on a low loader and departed from LHR on 4 July 2004. It was transported along the A30 and then the A4 to Isleworth. There it loaded on a barge:


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A few days later when there was a higher than usual high tide the barge was floated off a mud bank and was then carried 'AA down the Thames, in front of the Houses of Parliament (13 July) and then up the East Coast to Torness on the south side of the Firth of Forth. There on 24 July it was again loaded onto a low loader and driven across a track laid across fields by the Army to its current home, the Museum of Flight at East Fortune.

As reported in previous replies the apparent plan for 'AB was to put it on display at LHR. There was first talk of it being a gate guard at T5 that was under construction at that time. Then it was reported that it would replace the large scale model of Concorde on the roundabout at the entrance to the tunnel to the airport's central area that is now occupied by a larger scale model of an EK A 380. However BA was not prepared to pay the annual charge of several (three?) million pounds sterling that the airport wanted as it regarded that position as a prime advertising site.

Since then its future has been indeterminate . It is regrettable that the impasse between the airport and the airline seems to be continuing. However if there is justification for displaying G-BOAE at BGI because of the seasonal LHR-BGI service it operated some years there is certainly justification for it to be displayed at LHR where the BA fleet was operationally based for 27 years.
 
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Tue Oct 27, 2015 2:57 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 39):
However if there is justification for displaying G-BOAE at BGI because of the seasonal LHR-BGI service it operated some years there is certainly justification for it to be displayed at LHR where the BA fleet was operationally based for 27 years.

  

An LHR without a Concorde (even if for show and not operational) is like a body without a soul  Maybe a bit deep and over dramatic but you get the gist.
G-BOAB should be shown in all her glory at LHR, for us adults today I'm sure it was inspiration when we were younger or as a child (it certainly was for me growing up) and for the younger generation/kids growing up today hopefully seeing Concorde will inspire a new generation to build a 21st century Concorde or new aircraft to fly further and/or faster.
I will never forget as a kid trying to spot the delta shape in the horizon as Concorde joined the LHR approach in the distance or the Concorde arriving back from New York flying over my parents house in Surrey on a late summers evening. Sweet memories

  

Anyway back to reality that's my    and very happy Alpha Bravo is getting some long overdue TLC.
 
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RE: Concorde Alpha Bravo Missing ...?

Tue Oct 27, 2015 7:42 pm

Quoting bluesky73 (Reply 40):
G-BOAB should be shown in all her glory at LHR...

Was so wonderful to see her (last September) while landing and then taxiing, not "on display" but so "plain regular", as if ready to proceed to the gate, like it has always been, you arrive to LHR and you see Concorde, so "surprisingly usual", and nothing changed...

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