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Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sat Oct 24, 2015 3:04 am

I feel bad for the people that are now/will be unemployed...

http://www.yahoo.com/https://www.yahoo.com

Article quote:

"Transaero, Russia's second largest airline after Aeroflot, is being grounded. The airline has hit such dire financial straits that the nation's Ministry of Transport is concerned there will be a threat to passenger safety."

"Russia's Ministry of Transport announced that Transaero's operating certificate will be canceled as of Oct. 26, but the airline is already canceling dozens of flights — and was already preparing for a shutdown in December because of dwindling ticket sales."
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sat Oct 24, 2015 3:29 am

It isn't shutting down anymore. It is being consolidated with S7.

http://www.rt.com/business/319297-transaero-russia-s7-airlines/
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sat Oct 24, 2015 3:48 am

Glad to hear. Thanks for the update.
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:00 am

Quoting n797mx (Reply 1):

This is starting to get confusing.
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:02 am

Correct they where going to shut down, until a white knight came to the rescue. Aeroflot was waiting in the wings, no pun intended, to grab some of there aircraft and cancel the 787 order with Boeing. I would bet that Delta has been watching as well. I would bet that Transaero will shed several aircraft anyways and most of there fleet is leased.
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:22 am

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 4):
This is starting to get confusing.

  

This deserves a tread: the situation is as clear as mud. So the OAC will be cancelled on 26 Oct and what then?

The banks don't believe that S7 can rescue Transareo:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...ero-sberbank-idUSR4N11N01J20151022

S7 seems to be after some aircraft but not the airline itself. Its a typical Russian business mystery.
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:27 am

Now the question becomes this: will S7 accept the aircraft that Transaero had on order, or will those aircraft be canceled (if not yet built) or NTU (if already built)?
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:00 am

A real shame about the news for UN. As flown with them a couple of times on 747 &777 the airline did really a great job. I hope that S7 can do the difficult job to same them. A couple of weeks ago saw a A321SL in ALA. Would be a shame if they gome like SR years ago.
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:01 am

I don't see a reason to delete the thread, as things are clearly not a for sure deal. I am sure the employees of this airline are sick to their stomachs right now! I sure hope they don't shut down, and that S7 can save a majority of the jobs.
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:03 am

There are two 737-700s parked up in CBG at the moment. They've been there for over a week I guess waiting to go into the paint shop for their new owner, assuming they've got one.
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:37 am

Quoting btblue (Reply 10):
There are two 737-700s parked up in CBG at the moment.

There were two more parked at VNO two weeks ago as well.
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sat Oct 24, 2015 9:32 am

Interesting move. I wonder if this situation has had any influence from the Russian government who have a track record of not liking businesses who 'interfere' with state owned / controlled / affiliated business interests like Aeroflot!? IIRC a plan for Aeroflot to take over last year failed.

According to media S7 is taking a 51% stake in the business and streamlining ops including flying under S7's AOC.

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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sat Oct 24, 2015 11:45 am

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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sat Oct 24, 2015 11:51 am

Are these reports of Transaero planes parked at various Western European airports planes that have been returned to the leasing company, planes that went there for maintenance and can't return because the mx provider hasn't been paid, or planes impounded by the airports for non payment of charges?
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sat Oct 24, 2015 11:58 am

Unfortunately UN is shutting down tomorrow.
OAC is cancelled, traffic rights to 56 UN destinations have been transferred to SU (and these include all lucrative or exclusive ones like MOW to Kazakhstan, Israel, France, Italy, London, etc.)
There is just too much opposition on very high levels of Russian government for UN to continue with or without S7.
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sat Oct 24, 2015 3:05 pm

Flightradar has tweeted, having spotted various Transaero a/c ferrying to Spain for storage.

https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/657933296937082880
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sat Oct 24, 2015 3:51 pm

Well, all those US airlines looking for used aircraft might get their wish. I feel terrible for the thousands of people losing their jobs. This is terrible.
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:09 pm

Sad to see such a big carrier go down. Will miss having a second Russian carrier at JFK  
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:34 pm

Quoting mow (Reply 14):
OAC is cancelled, traffic rights to 56 UN destinations have been transferred to SU (and these include all lucrative or exclusive ones like MOW to Kazakhstan, Israel, France, Italy, London, etc.)
There is just too much opposition on very high levels of Russian government for UN to continue with or without S7.

So does it mean S7 will not be able to take over any UN route? That is quite sad; I had thought at least it would be an opportunity to S7 to add a number of key destinations in Western Europe (London, Paris, more holiday destinations, etc)

I have the impression that Aeroflot (the Russian government) will use UN's demise to impulse Pobeda, since it is their new low cost venture based in VKO, Transaero's main airport.

[Edited 2015-10-24 09:34:37]
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:39 pm

Aircraft heading to Spain ahead of shut down.

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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sat Oct 24, 2015 6:31 pm

Quoting 747WanSui (Reply 6):
Now the question becomes this: will S7 accept the aircraft that Transaero had on order,

An A380 or B748i in S7's livery ? Would be " interesting " to say the least !
Sad to learn of UN's demise. I expect there will be a scramble for their LHR slots.
Presume this shut-down will be a boost for SU and the other big Russian airlines, given the amount of flights UN had to sunspots from all over Russia.
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:49 pm

A large number of airplanes has been returned to their owners or have been seized this week:
2 747-400s
3 777-200s (one seized)
1 767-300
12 737s (one seized)
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:57 pm

Their fleet was all over the place. If they had focused on let's say just 2 different models, they would have probably been ok.
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sat Oct 24, 2015 9:29 pm

There is a bunch of Transaero aircraft at MLB, should be interesting to see what will happen to those.
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sat Oct 24, 2015 11:35 pm

Cheap oil killed them. They used to fly abroad with a full tank, without refueling outside Russia. Now the rest of world has cheaper gulf oil and they can't compete.

Plus with this exchange rate they can't afford ground services and ATC fees either.
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sat Oct 24, 2015 11:55 pm

What impact should we expect to see in the fare environment? Will we still see the cheap SU fares we' re used to seeing in most markets? What about the impact to other players in the Russian market, such as UT Air? My hunch is that SU will not be able to claim the entire market for themselves.
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:30 am

Quoting DDR (Reply 22):
Their fleet was all over the place. If they had focused on let's say just 2 different models, they would have probably been ok.

The home country's bizarre foreign policy and the economic ramifications have some part here, too...
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:37 am

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 26):
The home country's bizarre foreign policy and the economic ramifications have some part here, too...

While true for other things, in Transaero's case not so much. UN was a mismanaged, bleeding machine with no coherent strategy. It should have failed long ago and recent oil prices were a nail on the head. They had plenty of opportunity to accept help and restructure for their own good but chose not to because of management decisions. Well, they are paying for it now.
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:21 am

Quoting TC957 (Reply 20):
I expect there will be a scramble for their LHR slots.

Maybe not. As part of the competition settlement when IAG/BA took over BD IAG were required to lease the slots to Transaero. As they are leased, they will inevitably return to IAG when Transaero ceases operations. I don't know whether the settlement would require them to be leased to another Russian airline - it would seem pointless to lease them to SU as this doesn't do anything to increase competition, they're already operating!
This applies to the slots used for MOW.
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:48 am

Lots of their planes flying over France and Germany heading for storage in Spain, a mix of 747's, 737's and 767's.
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:34 am

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 18):
So does it mean S7 will not be able to take over any UN route?

Out of 100 something UN designations Aeroflot got 56 most interesting ones.
As far as I know there was no voting yet on the remaining part of UN's legacy, so theoretically S7 and others can have what's left.
Following all recent developments, according to industry observers, Aeroflot group will take up 80% market share internationally (among Russian carriers) and more than 60% domestic. And everybody is fine with this - the government, the anti-trust committee, and, obviously, Aeroflot itself. CEO Saveliev has several times mentioned that it is a normal situation in many countries that one carrier dominates the market, referring to AF or LH (what a joke)
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:57 am

G'day

It appears all Irish registered i.e. leased aircraft, numerous 744's, 773's and 738's are being flown to Teruel airport. The area is not covered by FR24. The airport is also not visible on Google map, it has been camouflaged, kind of idiotic in this time and age      

The former military airport has an extensive website showing all that Google is supposed to be hiding   

http://www.aeropuertodeteruel.com/en/

Presumably they will send an owned plane to collect all the crews to be flown home. Might be the end for some of those 744's.

All the best to the crews being out of a job for the time being


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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:16 am

Quoting masit (Reply 29):

Is there so much space in Teruel for those aircrafts? Teruel Airport is a new facility and I heard it was almost at capacity with a new extension planned (maybe it is already completed, I don't think it takes that long to do some parking spots for airplanes).

Quoting mow (Reply 30):

Thanks

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 31):



The airport is visible in Bing Maps. Maybe it is an issue with Google.
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:23 am

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 32):
Is there so much space in Teruel for those aircrafts?

From the link in reply 31..

"Long-term aircraft parking: PLATA offers long-term parking facilities for up to 400 aircraft in a space that is unique in Europe, with unbeatable climate and financial conditions."
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:29 am

Quoting rlwynn (Reply 33):
From the link in reply 31..

"Long-term aircraft parking: PLATA offers long-term parking facilities for up to 400 aircraft in a space that is unique in Europe, with unbeatable climate and financial conditions."

I think this is the long-term plan for the airport; at the moment there are way less paved parking spots. The airport just opened in 2013.

[Edited 2015-10-25 04:12:41]
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:29 am

According to flightradar24 looks like the last commercial TSO flight to and is TSO 524 BKK-VKO
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:32 am

Yes their fleet was too many types, what were they thinking, as for routes which new ones i.e never flown before and resumptions will Aeroflot and S7 be gaining?
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sun Oct 25, 2015 11:05 am

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 31):
G'day

It appears all Irish registered i.e. leased aircraft, numerous 744's, 773's and 738's are being flown to Teruel airport. The area is not covered by FR24. The airport is also not visible on Google map, it has been camouflaged, kind of idiotic in this time and age      

The former military airport has an extensive website showing all that Google is supposed to be hiding   

http://www.aeropuertodeteruel.com/en/

Presumably they will send an owned plane to collect all the crews to be flown home. Might be the end for some of those 744's.

All the best to the crews being out of a job for the time being


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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sun Oct 25, 2015 11:14 am

Quoting aircatalonia (Reply 24):
Cheap oil killed them. They used to fly abroad with a full tank, without refueling outside Russia. Now the rest of world has cheaper gulf oil and they can't compete.

That is not it at all, the reason the airline went bankrupt is the Russian economy is still falling and people are traveling less.

Quoting mow (Reply 30):

Out of 100 something UN designations Aeroflot got 56 most interesting ones.

How does Aeroflot have the fleet to expand so much, weren't they using Transaero metal to fly some of their routes? I would think their fleet is stretched thin, how do they have the staffing and airplanes to expand so quickly?
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sun Oct 25, 2015 11:19 am

They need not operate it but have have gained them for now.
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sun Oct 25, 2015 11:46 am

Quoting B747400ERF (Reply 38):
That is not it at all, the reason the airline went bankrupt is the Russian economy is still falling and people are traveling less.

The Russian economy, airlines included, depend on energy prices. All sectors of the Russian economy suffer when energy prices go down.
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sun Oct 25, 2015 11:52 am

Quoting B747400ERF (Reply 38):
How does Aeroflot have the fleet to expand so much, weren't they using Transaero metal to fly some of their routes? I would think their fleet is stretched thin, how do they have the staffing and airplanes to expand so quickly?


Aeroflot will not use the whole ex-UN metal. As per CEO they would need no more than a third of UN fleet.

The thing is, with Russian economy in dire straits, international travel has shrunk tremendously. On many international routes out of Moscow SU and UN both held traffic rights simultaneously and now that UN is gone, I doubt SU will immediately need to fill the void even if they got the rights for extra flights. For example, SU flies 5 daily SVO-CDG, UN had 1 daily VKO-ORY - I really don't think SU needs to start the 6th daily to PAR these days (actually, the traffic rights went to FV / Rossiya, but they're in SU group and market the flights under SU code). Same for LHR. Or US routes (JFK / LAX / MIA).

Different story is TLV, where SU flies double daily 77Ws and had to put another double daily 321, obviously the demand is there.

Kazakhstan was a UN exclusive, SU never had the rights to operate the routes from MOW to ALA or TSE or to any other smaller town in this country except Karaganda. Now all UN traffic rights, 9 or so destinations in total, have been transferred to SU (+FV). Kazakhstan will be the truly expansion territory for SU requiring fleet and other resources.
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:16 pm

One UN 763ER is also flying GOI-VKO and another one UUS-VKO.

Plus, I was surprised to see that a B744 is now flying VKO-SSH.
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:22 pm

Sad to see Transaero go. Love their Imperial Class and what the airline represented, the airline of the new Russia post USSR. It was creative in some un-common ways like placing a row of Imperial Class in 737-800. It seems Transaero was buying every used 744 it could get it hands on at one point, maybe this was their mistake. Will always remember them.
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:27 pm

G'day

Now that all Transaero planes appear to have arrived a Spanish Airforce A 313 is circling Teruel. I wonder if that is connected in any way?!   

http://www.flightradar24.com/LINCE91/7cc600f

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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:33 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 43):
Love their Imperial Class and what the airline represented, the airline of the new Russia post USSR. It was creative in some un-common ways like placing a row of Imperial Class in 737-800.

Creative is about the only word you can use. It was all about egos of management to look posh vs. actually making profit. Sticking that huge seat on a 737, taking up a ton of space on routes that never warranted it.

The Imperial Class as well as their horrible business class seats on other long-haul aircraft were as bad as you can get. More often than not, the seats were old and malfunctioning and IFE a hit or miss. Nothing about UN was consistent. I bet that if there was even the slightest of efforts to put pax first and offer a streamlines product on their scheduled, non-chartered flights, they could have gained some added respect and generated repeat customers.

Apart from some routes where they practically had monopoly (and their dominance on Israel-bound flights) + a few of their new aircraft, the only thing that UN really had going for them were there super low fares that attracted a ton of passengers.

The Transaero product will not be missed, but their FAs and Crew were pretty outstanding, especially given the lousy circumstances under which they had worked. On a few Moscow-Los Angeles flights, I couldn't believe the state of their premium cabins. The FAs were constantly under heat and worked through tons of passenger complaints throughout the flights.

I hope all members of the crew will be able to find new jobs in the sector.
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:37 pm

Quoting mow (Reply 41):
Kazakhstan was a UN exclusive

What about Canada? Only UN flew to YYZ. So no more Canada-Russia flights.

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 44):

It is a conspiracy.
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:46 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 46):

As of lately yes, only UN had flights to YYZ. But SU is also a designated carrier, they had to stop earlier due to lack of demand (and let's be honest, due to UN very unjustified, aggressive pricing policy).
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:17 pm

Quoting aircatalonia (Reply 40):

The Russian economy, airlines included, depend on energy prices. All sectors of the Russian economy suffer when energy prices go down.

That isn't the argument you made that I quoted. I was the one to point out the falling economy, you said "other countries have cheap oil too so the Russian airlines cannot compete with that"
 
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RE: Transaero To Shut Down Oct. 26

Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:19 pm

Quoting mow (Reply 41):

Aeroflot will not use the whole ex-UN metal. As per CEO they would need no more than a third of UN fleet.

Thank you for the information. Some analysts predict a rise in oil prices by the end of next year, so it will be a desperate game of holding on for the country until then.

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