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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:28 pm

Quoting BravoOne (Reply 50):

No, only Capt side HUD is an option on 737s.
 
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:47 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 46):
Noise? ... Why is noise still an issue? I recently rode the jump seat of an A321. The cockpit was so quiet it was startling, and that airframe was built 15 years ago.

Try sitting in the passenger cabin during take-off lol. The sound during take-off his horrible. I wonder how they made it so quiet in the cockpit but couldn't translate that to the cabin.
 
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:36 pm

Quoting klkla (Reply 52):
Try sitting in the passenger cabin during take-off lol. The sound during take-off his horrible. I wonder how they made it so quiet in the cockpit but couldn't translate that to the cabin.

I recall when the 727 entered service, many passengers were startled to hear a relatively loud "bang!" just after take-off. The front cabin was quieter than what they were used to, and what they heard was the front landing gear doors closing.
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:47 pm

I have ridden on both the 737 and A320 many times, and I can notice the difference in seat width, but it is not enough for me to complain about. I am perfectly happy flying on a 737 or 757 cross country (I flew SEA-JFK in the middle seat of the last row on a DL 757 two years ago; not my most enjoyable flight ever but that was because of the middle seat. Had it been a window seat I would have enjoyed it, except for it being the last leg of MNL-JFK.) Every inch wider that the fuselage is means more weight and drag, and more weight and drag means more fuel burned. Airlines and airframe manufacturers are trying to figure out the smallest diameter fuselage in which they can cram the most passengers. The push for 10 abreast on the 777 is testimony to that (and the fact that the 777X will make 10 abreast standard.) Remember that the 747 was originally designed for 9 abreast.
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:24 am

Quoting longhauler (Reply 46):
And ... not much more advanced than the B737-200 I flew in 1989!

Well, that's how we know they are the same type rating.  

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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:01 am

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 28):
Tell that to the pilots struggling with tinnitus after flying the 737 for a few years.

Tell them what... that pax don't give a flying flip about their vocational problems, enough to pay more money for the sake of alleviating it?

Um, that's a fact, whether they hear it from me or not.  
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:23 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
The 737 MAX achieved another milestone: first power-on.

wow...how many posts actually reply to the thread title? Its's more a B737 vs A320...sad

I have seen the B737MAX in the hangar and I find it exciting!
 
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:39 am

Quoting kmz (Reply 57):
wow...how many posts actually reply to the thread title?

What more is there really to say to a power-on, other than: "Ah cool, it's powered on" ...?



Quoting WesternDC6B (Reply 53):
I recall when the 727 entered service, many passengers were startled to hear a relatively loud "bang!" just after take-off.

Always sounded more like a crunch to me, than a bang.
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:41 am

Quoting longhauler (Reply 46):
Are the old eyebrow window holes still there?

The 737 'eyebrow' windows were consigned to the rubbish bin about ten years ago.   
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:57 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 59):
The 737 'eyebrow' windows were consigned to the rubbish bin about ten years ago.   

The Holes in the Trim are still there though - http://i.imgur.com/eRULoST.jpg
 
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:05 am

Quoting kmz (Reply 57):
wow...how many posts actually reply to the thread title? Its's more a B737 vs A320...sad

To be fair, most of the posts were actually Man [737] vs Self.  

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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:38 am

Good news from Boeing. I am really looking forward to see those engines on a 737 in real life.
 
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:59 am

"Good news from Boeing. I am really looking forward to see those engines on a 737 in real life."





Here is one at least - on a 747. Surprising how much the LEAP 1B doesn't stand out against the original 747 engines.

http://www.boeing.com/features/2015/05/bca-leap-engine-05-15.page

[Edited 2015-10-26 01:07:11]
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:11 am

Quoting seahawk (Reply 62):
I am really looking forward to see those engines on a 737 in real life.

Right there with you! I LOVE how the new (bigger!) engines look on the A320NEO, can't wait to see larger engines on a 737 again.
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:37 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 43):
Everything is a tradeoff. Honestly, it'd be possible to build a better A320 as well but nobody is challenging them to do so. Nobody complains about that, though. Were there some new super-duper third party narrowbody that provided more space and amenities and technology, you'd suddenly have people clamoring for the A320 to be upgraded. My point: Everything is relative, and life is full of trade-offs.

Yes, but the A320 is a 20 years newer design. It's roomier, less noisy and a lot more modern. It still has some life left in it for future upgrades after the neo. The 737 MAX is maxed out .. and then some.

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 56):
Tell them what... that pax don't give a flying flip about their vocational problems, enough to pay more money for the sake of alleviating it?

Vocational? What do you mean? If you mean hearing problems like tinnitus then yes. Like I said, the airlines don't care. We agree.
 
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:42 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 64):
Right there with you! I LOVE how the new (bigger!) engines look on the A320NEO, can't wait to see larger engines on a 737 again.

The size difference between the old IAE and CFM engines and the new LEAP and GTF engines on the A320 are 15 and 18 inches respectively. The difference between the old CFM and LEAP on the 737 is about 8 inches. I doubt the difference will be that noticeable compared to on the A320.
 
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:56 am

Quoting barney captain (Reply 63):
Surprising how much the LEAP 1B doesn't stand out against the original 747 engines.

http://www.boeing.com/features/2015/....page

   That's exactly what I thought...

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
Note the new large flight deck displays:

What is the purpose of that green hook with the black cable? Kind of earthing?
 
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:15 am

Quoting kmz (Reply 57):
wow...how many posts actually reply to the thread title? Its's more a B737 vs A320...sad

It seems to be more 737 vs the people that work with it. The A320 may be being used as a Yardstick, but I suspect there are a lot of things that Airbii crews would like to see changed if/when the the bus gets a major upgrade (akin to Steam gauged 737 classic to NG)

The bit about the FAA allowing huge stretches and engine power increases under the existing type but not, EICAS, tail de-icing or improvements to the cockpit/avionics layout was very interesting
 
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:38 am

Quoting DDR (Reply 9):
Boeing has created perhaps the best airliner ever, with the 787.

The 787, the 'best airliner ever'? News to me.
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:41 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 59):
The 737 'eyebrow' windows were consigned to the rubbish bin about ten years ago.

Not the window ... the cutout behind it. It almost looks like all they did was skin over the window and leave everything else, like they did with earlier B737s and conversions.

I don't think it would affect the "type rating" to clean up this cluttered cockpit.
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:33 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 70):
I don't think it would affect the "type rating" to clean up this cluttered cockpit.

Agreed. It looks like the biggest changes are the LAD's and the relocation and redesign of the gear handle. On a much smaller scale, replacing the start levers with Electric Start Switches that will illuminate with the fire handle during an engine fire and incorporating the mechanical flap gauge into the LADS is also known.

Beyond that, I'm hoping for some as yet unseen ergonomic improvements which might make the cramped cockpit more user friendly. We noticed this with the NG as it compares to the classics. The outboard sidewall was redesigned making much better use of the space.

Another thought -

The design isn't permanent. As time goes on, there are likely to be changes made to incorporate newer technologies. We're seeing that now with our -800's being delivered with the redesigned Electric Start Switches. I'm holding out hope that as the classics disappear as part of integrated fleets in the coming years, that more significant changes will be incorporated - not the least of which might be the replacement of the antiquated Master Caution system with some form of ECAS.

From Boeing regarding the MDS - MAX Display System -

"The MDS Engine Format was developed to maximize commonality with the 737NG CDS and allow for future growth."

Maybe.

[Edited 2015-10-26 11:58:07]
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:50 pm

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 65):
Vocational? What do you mean?

You answered your own question immediately after.


Quoting crimsonchin (Reply 66):
The difference between the old CFM and LEAP on the 737 is about 8 inches. I doubt the difference will be that noticeable compared to on the A320.

Understandable... but I'm thinking that with the relative differences between mounting and ground clearance, it'll still be interesting to see!  
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:09 pm

The first Leap engines have arrived in Renton.

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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:31 pm

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 65):
Yes, but the A320 is a 20 years newer design. It's roomier, less noisy and a lot more modern. It still has some life left in it for future upgrades after the neo. The 737 MAX is maxed out .. and then some.

The only true statement here is that the 737Max is indeed maxed out. However, A320 albeit more modern it's still a 20th century aircraft. I think this will be the last iteration of the A320 as much as it is with the 737.

The future of aircraft will be slightly larger, lighter and cheaper to build. These are the things that the 737 and A320 are both maxed out.
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:36 pm

I am not sure. Airbus has not done much with the wing so far.
 
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:21 pm

A few other changes we've been made aware of that will also be incorporated into future -800 NGs-

A complete redesign of the external lighting system that eliminates the taxi light as well as the fuselage mounted retractable landing lights. You can see those switches are missing in the OPs pic. The new LED LTRTL System (LED Landing, Taxi and Runway Turnoff Lights) is said to provide better lighting as well as save weight and mx costs.

While the taxi light switch remains, it's function has completely changed. With the removal of the nose gear mounted taxi light, activation of the switch now turns on the wing root mounted LED landing lights - but at a reduced power setting. Activation of the landing light switches returns them to full power. Other than being replaced with LEDs, the turn off lights appear to be unchanged.

These seem like good improvements as the lone taxi light frequently provided inadequate illumination. Also it's location subjected it to a lot of vibration leading to early failure. The removal of the retractable landing lights will illiminate the issues of FOD damage from runways contaminated with ice and snow.
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:52 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 72):
Understandable... but I'm thinking that with the relative differences between mounting and ground clearance, it'll still be interesting to see!

Agree. I think with the mostly round nacelles of the LeapX, the 737Max planes will look nicer/cleaner.
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:56 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 73):
The first Leap engines have arrived in Renton.

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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:13 pm

I believe I read the landing gear are remaining almost exactly the same as the previous generation, and therefore obviously no increase in vertical clearance?

Quoting ODwyerPW (Reply 77):
Agree. I think with the mostly round nacelles of the LeapX, the 737Max planes will look nicer/cleaner.

How did they get the cowling more round, is it perhaps thinner? Didn't the fan grow just very slightly compared to the CFMs?
 
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:59 pm

Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 79):
I believe I read the landing gear are remaining almost exactly the same as the previous generation, and therefore obviously no increase in vertical clearance?

Nose gear length increased by 8".

The Leap-1B engines on the MAX are pushed up and forward of the wing relative to position of the CFM56 engines on the NG aircraft.

Fan grew by 8"..basically it's the same size the fans are on the A320OEO planes.
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:40 am

Any updates on SFC of the Leap B's? Are they on spec?

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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:49 am

Although being a huge Boeing and 737 fan - the cockpit starts to look a little dated. Especially when you see the cockpit of the CSeries, A320 series etc...

They could have used the yoke of the dreamliner to give it a more modern appearance.
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:58 pm

Quoting barney captain (Reply 75):

The new LED landing/taxi/turnoff lights are already being delivered. They also have LED's in the wheel wells, cargo pits and electrical compartments.
 
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:11 pm

Quoting columba (Reply 81):
Although being a huge Boeing and 737 fan - the cockpit starts to look a little dated. Especially when you see the cockpit of the CSeries, A320 series etc...

Well in the 737's defence, it was flying around long before the engineers who worked on the A320 or C Series were born or in the business.

As a result, with each generation of 737, certain things had to stay the same to keep pilot crossover training minimal and inexpensive. I like the old pull switched and buttons, they keep an element of what flying use to be alive.
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX First Power-on

Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:24 pm

Quoting yeelep (Reply 82):
The new LED landing/taxi/turnoff lights are already being delivered. They also have LED's in the wheel wells, cargo pits and electrical compartments.

Good to know. The info we were given was that it was for the MAX, as well as future -800 deliveries.
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