|Quoting tu204 (Reply 64):|
So it seems that Russia is still a popular destination for Ukranian migrant workers. With the Ukranian job market in a downward spiral, there will still be a demand for the flying public for years to come.
Thats pretty true. As I told you, in the border crossing at the M2/M20 there were 90% of Ukrainian cars.
If I was from Donetsk, had my family, my business there, but I'm afraid of the violence and I'm thinking of leaving, there are basically three destinations that come to mind, because they are the three less than 3 hours away from Donetsk. Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov and Rostov/Don (Russia). Where do you think I would go? See how many have gone to each of those cities. Check also the unemployment rate on all the three. And the average salary.
But still, on July 1st 2015 Poroshenko decided that Russians needed to have an International Passport for entering Ukraine (before you could enter just with your Domestic ID
). So Ukrainians need now an international passport for entering Russia. And is something not many people has, or can afford to do it. A few months laters he banned flights between both countries. And he did it, because Russia did it as a reciprocity measure. Why would PS
be allowed to carry on flying to LED
if Russian airlines are not allowed to fly to KBP
See that even Ukrainians consider people from the East as pro-Russia, pro-Soviet, anti-EU, anti-Ukraine, some sort of under-classed people. You consider now them rebels aided by Russia. But we can clearly say that they are not so. Id say at least 95% of people in Donetsk or Luhansk are working people, children still go to school every day, people works in farms, factories, as doctors, as taxi drivers, as ever they can or they want. There are a small number of "rebels" fighting the Ukrainian Army, vulnerating peace. Actually, today, the only conflictive area is the region of Mariupol. Donetsk and Luhansk are not paradise, but are at least stable, for both Ukrainians and Russians. Foreigners are advised not to go there, as the risk of kidnapping is high (that's what the dutch MFA said).
Just as a comparison, Argentina and the United Kingdom have had a 30+ years lasting conflict for the Falkland/Malvinas Island, in the south-Atlantic. British Airways still flies to Buenos Aires, and some LHR
Spotters saw an AR
Charter (A343) slowly approaching London. Diplomatic relations were ceased after the 1982 war, but reestablished a few years later. So as direct flights between both countries. From the early 90s to early 2000s, AR
flew a few times a week to LGW
, via MAD
. But they later decided to use an agreement with UX
for routes to London and Paris (before being a Skyteam member), so AR
stopped using its own planes (it was mostly an MD88 based at MAD
) to fly to those destinations.
What's the difference between Crimea and the Falklands/Malvinas? Both countries (UK/AR) have interests there. Both countries have historic ties there. Both countries have legal reasons to say it belong to them. But, besides that, we, Argentineans, don't hate people from the UK, and vice-versa. I think everyone in Argentina and in the UK remembers the Falklands/Malvinas, the war, but they move on, and visit each other, and trade with each other, and so on.