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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:51 am

Quoting GEMUSER (Reply 98):

Ding!
Folks, we have a winner!
Yes, I predict a wunula return for the centenary!
A special logo I assume will be launched at the beginning of 2020 with a publicity onslaught culminating in a new Wunula...
Fingers crossed....

And as for the tardis, hmmmmm! It would certainly be one way to beat Etihad's 'The Residence' for travel!

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Wed Nov 04, 2015 7:05 am

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 100):
, I predict a wunula return for the centenary!

Is this a random wish, an educated guess, or something more, that you have bunumuring??
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:40 am

Cathay Pacific will operate a one off trial freight flight to Brisbane West Wellcamp Airport later this month. It will be a 747-8F. It's expected it will become regular if the flight is successful.

http://australianaviation.com.au/201...off-freighter-service-to-wellcamp/
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:09 am

Quoting thai77w (Reply 102):
Cathay Pacific will operate a one off trial freight flight to Brisbane West Wellcamp Airport later this month. It will be a 747-8F. It's expected it will become regular if the flight is successful.

As supportive information approximately 40% of all exports out of the Port of Brisbane are products from the Darling Downs region.

This is good news for Wellcamp, the Darling Downs and the Australian economy.

Hopefully there is enough demand for this to become a regular occurrence.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Thu Nov 05, 2015 4:20 am

MU is planning to commence BNE flights from 16 Jan 16, 3 weekly

MU715 PVG1740 – 0625+1BNE 332 246
MU716 BNE1100 – 1930PVG 332 357

http://airlineroute.net/2015/11/05/mu-bne-jan16/
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:06 am

Quoting qf789 (Reply 104):
MU is planning to commence BNE flights from 16 Jan 16, 3 weekly

MU715 PVG1740 – 0625+1BNE 332 246
MU716 BNE1100 – 1930PVG 332 357

Can't see anything bookable yet, and contrary to some information I had heard in terms of start date (though happy to see it happen then)
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:12 am

Quoting thai77w (Reply 102):
Cathay Pacific will operate a one off trial freight flight to Brisbane West Wellcamp Airport later this month. It will be a 747-8F. It's expected it will become regular if the flight is successful.

This is great news. Does anyone know how QF is going on the WTB-SYD route? They still appear to be 13x weekly, which really isn't much considering they fly every 30mins for half the day from BNE-SYD on 737's and bigger. I realise its a bit of an apples vs oranges comparison, but I'm sure they would have hoped for a bit more by now (e.g. VA on the route and some larger aircraft).

Anyone have any insight?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Thu Nov 05, 2015 11:51 am

Quoting thai77w (Reply 102):

Cathay Pacific will operate a one off trial freight flight to Brisbane West Wellcamp Airport later this month. It will be a 747-8F. It's expected it will become regular if the flight is successful.

http://australianaviation.com.au/201...off-freighter-service-to-wellcamp/

With Wellcamp being a Code E Airport and the 747-8F being a Code F aircraft, Do they have to get a CASA exemption to be able to Operate into Wellcamp. I remember reading something in the MOS 139 regarding this?

Great news anyway.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:23 pm

I didn't see this on here but Fly Pelican has announced flights from NTL to BNK.

Fly Pelican Expands to Ballina

Great news considering Rex withdrew from the route on the 25th October. I wonder if this is just the beginning of new flights up the east coast and into regional NSW.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:39 pm

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 106):

Given that Skytrans had a less-than-daily service to SYD from TWB it is a massive increase in capacity.

Ultimately I would expect maybe 4-5 daily flights, a schedule vaguely similar to ARM. While TWB is a larger city, there is a lot of leakage to BNE. I think a big part of the challenge will be educating passengers that there is even service there.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:02 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 42):

HKG makes more sense with A330. 77W is probably too much plane.
Quoting qf789 (Reply 104):
MU715 PVG1740 – 0625+1BNE 332 246
MU716 BNE1100 – 1930PVG 332 357

why such a long layover in BNE.

wouldn't it be more appealing to depart 8am and get back in 1630... or depart PVG later at 2040 to arrive 925 for an 11am return?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:11 am

With NZ now buy an additional 15x ATR 72-600's to replace its 72-500s (1999-2014 builds) , what is the chance that Virgin Regional will look at taking the 11x 72-500s off NZ to replace there F50s?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:53 am

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 110):
why such a long layover in BNE.

wouldn't it be more appealing to depart 8am and get back in 1630... or depart PVG later at 2040 to arrive 925 for an 11am return?

I agree. Follow a CZ style arrival over 0830 in and 0955 out. This means they avoid the early morning rush (0600-0800) and reduce layover times.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 111):
With NZ now buy an additional 15x ATR 72-600's to replace its 72-500s (1999-2014 builds) , what is the chance that Virgin Regional will look at taking the 11x 72-500s off NZ to replace there F50s?

IIRC the F50's are surplus now that VA isn't going for some of the subsidised routes and mining is slowing down.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Fri Nov 06, 2015 2:23 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 112):
IIRC the F50's are surplus now that VA isn't going for some of the subsidised routes and mining is slowing down.

What are they currently running them on? or been put into the outback storage?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Fri Nov 06, 2015 2:40 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 113):
What are they currently running them on? or been put into the outback storage?

VA has the protected routes until Feb 2016. They become surplus after then.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:19 am

remember the t shirt "I own an airline"on the front - "qantas" on the back
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:21 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 106):
This is great news. Does anyone know how QF is going on the WTB-SYD route?

Qantaslink expanded the service so thats obviously a good sign.
However the most recent passenger numbers for the airport (August) were down a bit compared to July. It's had to know whether this was seasonal with the school holidays in July or whether the coal seam gas had anything to do with it (though there are direct flights to Roma). Still surprising, given capacity was expanded over this time.
Also will depend on the commercial terms that Qantaslink have with the airpot owners.

I guess their aim would be to get competitive service, perhaps another destination (MEL, or CNS) and ideally in the medium term service with jet aircraft. The million passengers within 2 years is unlikely (they'll get about 70 000 in their first year) but in the longer term who knows.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:51 am

Didn't see it further up the thread, forgive me if I missed it Qantas has announced PER-SIN to be daily year round and SYD-HKG 12 weekly year round. Good to see the seasonal increases stick.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:58 am

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 117):
Didn't see it further up the thread, forgive me if I missed it Qantas has announced PER-SIN to be daily year round and SYD-HKG 12 weekly year round. Good to see the seasonal increases stick.

The seasonal increases have been well played by QF, but as shown with the additional MEL-LAX frequencies, these can be cut just as quickly. In that case, 3 additional weekly flights were added seasonally (total 10 x weekly) but then made year round, only to be cut back to 2 x weekly (total of 9 x weekly) to facilitate the new SYD-SFO services.

Overall, it seems like a far more flexible carrier, looking at ways to open new opportunities where it can.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:08 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 111):
With NZ now buy an additional 15x ATR 72-600's to replace its 72-500s (1999-2014 builds) , what is the chance that Virgin Regional will look at taking the 11x 72-500s off NZ to replace there F50s?
Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 112):
IIRC the F50's are surplus now that VA isn't going for some of the subsidised routes and mining is slowing down.
Quoting tullamarine (Reply 114):
VA has the protected routes until Feb 2016. They become surplus after then.

As announced on the 22nd of October the 8 F50's will be out of the VARA fleet by mid 2016. 4 F100's and 1 A320 will be brought into the fleet which will also increase capacity of the fleet.

http://australianaviation.com.au/201...in-to-sell-entire-fokker-50-fleet/

US regulators have asked for more details on QF/AA alliance plans. Also of note AA will do a flyover of Sydney Harbour at 815am on 13th November

http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviat...lliance-plans-20151105-gkrjtk.html

QF will go daily year round on PER-SIN from 1st December

http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/med...-with-additional-services-to-asia/

JQ has scheduled 3 flights to DPS today to start easing the backlog, 2 to PER and 1 to MEL

http://australianaviation.com.au/201...dules-three-bali-recovery-flights/
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:56 am

The MU times for BNE are heavily affected by congestion between 8-11am as there is a large bank of flights going out between then.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:07 am

Quoting thai77w (Reply 120):

The MU times for BNE are heavily affected by congestion between 8-11am as there is a large bank of flights going out between then.

No doubt, but why not arrive later then? While there is an outbound rush, the inbound rush between 0600-0800 can just as big (if not bigger). Arriving with CZ at 0830 would be a better timing from that perspective.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:15 am

The later departure will allow for connections from regional Qld. As most of the flights departing earlier would have you overnighting at a hotel, I've had to do it a few times myself over the years!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:40 am

Quoting TN486 (Reply 115):
Another brilliant piece of work from QF.
http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airl...151106-welcome-home-part-2:lang:en

I really like the Qantas Welcome Home campaign.   

It does remind me of the 767 farewell era nearly twelve months ago too.

  

Sorry for not reading every post, but has their been much discussion on A.net about the Qantas reality TV series currently on at the moment?

I for one am really enjoying it. It gives a broad coverage of a lot of aspects.

It was interesting that they said they monitor social media for happenings and changes in the industry, to my perception, 'constantly and as a matter of importance', at the Integrated Operations Centre.

The man who has flown 1000 flights, what a legend. He would be great to have a chat too!

I wished the program went for an hour and of course, did not have so many adverts..

TV Tonight, Oct. 17, 2015, by David Knox. Airdate: Ready for Take-Off, http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2015/10/airdate-ready-for-take-off.html
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:45 am

Quoting qf789 (Reply 104):
MU is planning to commence BNE flights from 16 Jan 16, 3 weekly

MU715 PVG1740 – 0625+1BNE 332 246
MU716 BNE1100 – 1930PVG 332 357

http://airlineroute.net/2015/11/05/mu-bne-jan16/

So I can only find Jan 16th as being bookable PVG-BNE, can't find any other flights. I had heard it would be season flights initially before commencing scheduled services later, but not sure how true that is.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:56 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 124):

The following statement on the Qantas Agents website - here - seems to suggest a November 2016 start for year round flights, and with flights in January and February one would assume that these are for Chinese New Year?

 
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:36 pm

Quoting VapourTrails (Reply 123):
Quoting TN486 (Reply 115):
Another brilliant piece of work from QF.
http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airl...151106-welcome-home-part-2:lang:en

I really like the Qantas Welcome Home campaign.

Nailed it! Well done QF!  

Regarding Ready For Takeoff the only downside appears as though the producers can't tell the difference between SYD & PER or B737 vs A330!

Was great to see the Integrated Operations Centre feature in tonight's episode, & must add Paul Fraser is a true gentleman.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:48 pm

Quoting qf789 (Reply 119):
As announced on the 22nd of October the 8 F50's will be out of the VARA fleet by mid 2016. 4 F100's and 1 A320 will be brought into the fleet which will also increase capacity of the fleet.

And just to clarify. Of the 4 additional F100's, VA has already acquired two of them (VH-FWI and VH-FWH), so there are only 2 more F100s and 1 A320 coming.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:57 pm

Quoting QF175 (Reply 125):
The following statement on the Qantas Agents website - here - seems to suggest a November 2016 start for year round flights, and with flights in January and February one would assume that these are for Chinese New Year?

 

That is much more inline with what I had heard. I would say someone has seen that MU will have their first flight to BNE on 16/1 for Chinese New Year and taken that to mean start of scheduled services, when in fact regular service won't start until Nov 16. Not sure how the gate numbers will cope with two extra flights (MU and AC) both arriving and departing at very similar times on Fridays and Sundays.

Either way, great news for Brisbane and surely will progress to daily within 12 months of operations, given MEL has 14x weekly and SYD 21x weekly to PVG already.

Now time for VN, CA and QR to start BNE  
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:57 pm

It looks like UA870 SYD-SFO (operated by 777-200ER N788UA) is returning to Sydney with the aircraft currently tracking north west of Newcastle. The flight departed Sydney just before 1430L and according to another forum got as far as Fiji.

Edit - It appears UA has been given dispensation to land after curfew, aircraft is currently descending into Sydney, presently at FL 250 just west of Newcastle.

http://i.imgur.com/h7WlaYJ.jpg

[Edited 2015-11-06 05:07:14]
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:59 pm

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 128):
Now time for VN, CA and QR to start BNE  

I would be willing to bet that Indonesia AirAsiaX will be the next airline to announce flights to Brisbane.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:09 pm

Interesting to see what MU is actually doing...

As for gates, there's going to be a lot more towing a/c in and out of gates and using the remote bays. As it stands Qantas normally loads it's catering etc for the SIN and NRT flight at remote bays before towing in. I suspect buses may become common around the international, bussing pax to a/c.

I've read that UA870 has a busted radar. It took an unusual route on departure today, perhaps the problem was known and they tried to get across the pacific without weather updates.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:09 pm

Quoting QF175 (Reply 130):
I would be willing to bet that Indonesia AirAsiaX will be the next airline to announce flights to Brisbane.

Probably, but it would likely be at the expense of VA so not that great.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:15 pm

Bussing to aircraft will likely become more common at australian airports as they just can't seem to keep up with investment in facilities ahead of the curve.

MEL has recently spent money on new lounges and a new fleet of buses dedicated to serve the remote stands.

As for UA, imagine the frustration for passengers who have gone that far and had to turn around and fly all the way back. Safety is key but still hardly an ideal experience.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:25 pm

Quoting VapourTrails (Reply 123):
Sorry for not reading every post, but has their been much discussion on A.net about the Qantas reality TV series currently on at the moment?

Just watching tonight's episode and channel 9 just told us that "today, the IOC will monitor QF aircraft flying to over 400 destinations" -- quite a growth since the last time I checked!

I love these sorts of show but it's just painful to watch when they are full of sloppy errors. It's not that hard!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:31 pm

Quoting QF175 (Reply 129):
It looks like UA870 SYD-SFO (operated by 777-200ER N788UA) is returning to Sydney with the aircraft currently tracking north west of Newcastle. The flight departed Sydney just before 1430L and according to another forum got as far as Fiji.

Edit - It appears UA has been given dispensation to land after curfew, aircraft is currently descending into Sydney, presently at FL 250 just west of Newcastle.

Interesting how the flight departed even though the aircraft appeared to already have an issue. I guess UA can't wait until those factory fresh B789's commence SFO/LAX-SYD!

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Fri Nov 06, 2015 3:21 pm

HU is proposing a 2 weekly Xian-Sydney flight from 23 DEC 15, operated by A330-200

HU7993 XIY1710 – 0720+1SYD 330 37
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Fri Nov 06, 2015 8:58 pm

Quoting QF175 (Reply 129):
It appears UA has been given dispensation to land after curfew, aircraft is currently descending into Sydney, presently at FL 250 just west of Newcastle.

How nice!  
Quoting thai77w (Reply 131):
I've read that UA870 has a busted radar. It took an unusual route on departure today, perhaps the problem was known and they tried to get across the pacific without weather updates.

I wonder what eventually made them turn back if the issue was known much earlier?

Either way, another day, another UA problem on a SYD flight  
Quoting EK413 (Reply 135):
Interesting how the flight departed even though the aircraft appeared to already have an issue. I guess UA can't wait until those factory fresh B789's commence SFO/LAX-SYD!

  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Sat Nov 07, 2015 6:13 am

A few QF International increases announced this week:

*PER-SIN-PER will increase from 5x weekly to daily from December 2015.

*Extra SYD-HKG-SYD will be added on Fridays meaning double daily MON-FRI.

*The 5th weekly SYD-MNL-SYD announced last month will now be permanent year round.

Good news for Qantas International
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Sat Nov 07, 2015 6:20 am

The amount of capacity on SYD-MNL is significant these days, with QF, PR and 5J all operating.

It's interesting that it can sustain that level of capacity, let alone adding capacity.

MEL will likely get 5J next, which will provide some competitive balance in that market, as it would appear Victoria should be able to gain a greater share with a significant Filipino population here.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Sat Nov 07, 2015 12:31 pm

Looks like N788UA is heading back to SFO as UA2053 presumably empty. Currently about half way between New Zealand and Fiji.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL2053

Quoting thai77w (Reply 131):
I've read that UA870 has a busted radar. It took an unusual route on departure today, perhaps the problem was known and they tried to get across the pacific without weather updates.

They must have known something was up it tracked northwest through the Hunter before crossing the coast around Coffs!



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*The 5th weekly SYD-MNL-SYD announced last month will now be permanent year round.

It's certainly an interesting route. Manilla is almost always associated with poor yields let it has not only survived QF's underperforming route cuts over the last few years but is being increased! When was the last time QF had 5 weekly or better on MNL?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Sat Nov 07, 2015 1:39 pm

EK412 SYD-AKL, EK413 AKL-SYD-DXB was cancelled on Friday according AHB. The QF engineers are assisting their UAE friends  

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:46 pm

Quoting vhqpa (Reply 140):
Looks like N788UA is heading back to SFO as UA2053 presumably empty. Currently about half way between New Zealand and Fiji.

It's less than an hour away from home...

I got a good look at this bird yesterday - such a beautiful plane but caused UA a headache nonetheless.

Sad that UA has so many tech issues on SYD flights.

I know the 747s often went tech but since 777s have taken over the route have things really improved that much?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Sat Nov 07, 2015 11:00 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 142):
Sad that UA has so many tech issues on SYD flights.

I know the 747s often went tech but since 777s have taken over the route have things really improved that much?

I've always wondered why UA haven't had much luck with their SYD route. On any given day when the route was served by the B744 an aircraft would always go in-op resulting in cancellation of the flight. Anyhow hope they have better luck with the B789.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Sat Nov 07, 2015 11:13 pm

Quoting thai77w (Reply 131):
I've read that UA870 has a busted radar. It took an unusual route on departure today, perhaps the problem was known and they tried to get across the pacific without weather updates.

While it is possible to dispatch with an MEL'd weather radar, I would be very surprised if this was the case given the aircraft would be crossing the ITCZ with all it's associated weather. More likely, it failed after departure.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:04 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 141):

I missed out a vital piece apparently aircraft suffered engine trouble whilst taxiing for departure as EK412 SYD-AKL & executed a return to block later resulting in cancellation of the service.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:13 pm

PER airport to get $36 million upgrade to landing and lighting systems (CAT111)

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/...1/36m-upgrade-to-beat-airport-fog/

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Mon Nov 09, 2015 5:43 am

TG465 (BKK-MEL) appeared to have diverted en-route to CGK. It arrived in MEL around 2hrs late.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Mon Nov 09, 2015 8:09 am

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 131

Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:42 am

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...egic-move-for-the-sia-group-252358

Above is a very comprehensive analysis of Tigerair and it's role within the SQ group. It mentions that it's logical that SQ unify Tiger and Scoot into a single brand. If the Tiger brand disappears, what will happen to Tigerair Australia? In fact, I think for VA the whole Virgin and Tiger branding and paying the Virgin Group and Tiger Airways Holdings licensing fees respectively is a complete waste of money. I don't think naming Virgin Australia something else will have any negative impact and it will save their other airline shareholders plenty of money.

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