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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:28 am
by Ruscoe
That engine looks like it was made for the 380! I know I know

I don't follow closely enough. Can some one tell me what the current monthly production rate is, not delivery rate.

Cheers

Ruscoe

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:35 am
by BobMUC
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 149):
Video with some in-flight footage of the RR Trent XWB-97 engine:

http://videos.airbus.com/video/d7ca55a8725s.html

I have beaten Karel by 5 days!!!      
Friday 13th. is a good day for me...  

See:

Quoting BobMUC (Reply 124):
Some new A350 videos released by Airbus during the last days:

The A350-1000 Trent XWB-97 Engine Takes Flight:
http://videos.airbus.com/video/d7ca5....html



Thank you Karel for posting all this good stuff! Have a nice weekend!

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:11 am
by bobdino
Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 150):
That engine looks like it was made for the 380! I know I know

You are not the only one  http://leehamnews.com/2015/11/09/pon...-air-show-and-other-odds-and-ends/

Quote:
The first thing that came to mind when I saw the photo was that if Airbus put three more engines on it, you’d have the A380neo. Or maybe call it the A380TXWB. Done and dusted, as they say in England.

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:19 am
by KarelXWB
That engine is way too heavy to put on the A380.

[Edited 2015-11-13 03:20:08]

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:52 am
by dare100em
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 153):
That engine is way too heavy to put on the A380.

The XWB 84,000 lb - Version for the A350-900 is however lighter and better suited regarding thrust. Size is nearly identical. Furthermore there are constantly rumours about a stretch which would benefit the A380 in several areas (Cargo, Tail-size, Weight/m²).

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:56 am
by KarelXWB
Quoting dare100em (Reply 154):
The XWB 84,000 lb - Version for the A350-900 is however lighter and better suited regarding thrust.

Even the XWB-84 is 1 tonne heavier than the T900. That's 4 tonne of weight right there (four engines).

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:14 pm
by Richards2K14
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 138):
So now Finnair is getting 5 instead of 4 A350s this year?

MSNs 19>20>22 remaining Finnair aircraft?

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 138):
Any info on MSN 12?

Unsure of it's present location or state, but Handover to Delivery Centre appears to be 14th December, but I would imagine delivery mid-late January (2nd delivery of 2016).

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:26 pm
by dare100em
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 155):
The XWB 84,000 lb - Version for the A350-900 is however lighter and better suited regarding thrust.

Even the XWB-84 is 1 tonne heavier than the T900. That's 4 tonne of weight right there (four engines).

But given the A380's weight of about 275t EMPTY it's about 1,5% weight increase for at least 10% lower fuel burn. Togerther with a possible stretch I don't think that's the main point. Even the A330neo get's a weight gain of >2t from the T7000 engines!

Anyway it's about the A350 here. Someone taking a gues how much will be deliverd this year and especially in 2016?

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:29 pm
by KarelXWB
Quoting dare100em (Reply 157):
Someone taking a guess how much will be deliverd this year and especially in 2016?

Should be around 50 deliveries.

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 1:07 pm
by dare100em
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 158):
Quoting dare100em (Reply 157):
Someone taking a guess how much will be deliverd this year and especially in 2016?

Should be around 50 deliveries.

Okay, not much different to the second year of the 787 (65 in 2013, but 46 in 2012 and 3 in 2011), given the somhow artifical start in 2011.

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:39 pm
by KarelXWB
MSN 24 JJ #1 rolled out to the flight line today.


Roll out msn24 F-WZFS 13/11/2015 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

MSN 27 JJ #2 was moved to cabin fit today.


Msn27 F-WZFV 13/11/2015 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

[Edited 2015-11-13 07:46:37]

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:52 pm
by Miami
SQ2

Quote:
MSN30 is now in C63 for engine fit etc. Will move to S20 afterwards.

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:54 pm
by Miami

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:55 pm
by Miami
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 160):
MSN 27 JJ #2 was moved to cabin fit today.
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5734/22369304594_3a4fec86e7_b.jpg2nd Airbus A350 Tam Airlines | cn 027 | F-WZFV -> PR-XTB by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:48 am
by CX Flyboy
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 140):

Ok it's been a couple of days now. Still no B-LRA photo?

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 1:36 am
by Ruscoe
Quoting dare100em (Reply 157):
Anyway it's about the A350 here. Someone taking a gues how much will be deliverd this year and especially in 2016?
Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 150):
I don't follow closely enough. Can some one tell me what the current monthly production rate is, not delivery rate.

I'm surprised someone does not know this just off the top of their head.

Anyway, I took a look at Spirit deliveries to Airbus, to try and answer my own question.

2012 3 shipset deliveries
2013 8
2014 16
2015 Q1 6
Q2 9
Q3 8

So total of 50 so far, and 23 so far this year. So add another ?9 for Q4 and we have 32 for 2015, average 2.7 a month.

I realise it is most unlikely that this is the current production rate, but must be indicative to some extent.

Regarding 2016, if you extrapolate the graph of shipset deliveries, and it continues in its current upward trajectory (lets hope so), then I estimate about 48 in 2016 or 4 a month for shipset deliveries.

Also learned on a blog spot that the 350 production facility is designed for 13 a month, and that Airbus is planning a production rate 10 a month 4 years after EIS.

Also that TC is not happy about the slow ramp up because he can not get the info he wants on the 350.

Ruscoe

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:56 am
by enzo011
Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 165):
Also that TC is not happy about the slow ramp up because he can not get the info he wants on the 350.

He can't get the information he wants for an aircraft he cancelled and cannot operate (in the near future) because of airport infrastructure issues...

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:44 am
by bobdino
Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 165):
Also that TC is not happy about the slow ramp up because he can not get the info he wants on the 350.

Mostly, I believe he's waiting on MSN 21 (first batch 3) aircraft to enter service.

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:18 pm
by Miami

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:20 pm
by Miami
QR13

Quote:
Now in S40. Tail fin and pylon can be seen on the floor.
http://oi68.tinypic.com/o5yrtz.jpg


www.twitter.com/Aviacol/

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:21 pm
by Miami
JJ4

Quote:
Now in S50 for fuselage join.
http://oi63.tinypic.com/15o8aaa.jpg


www.twitter.com/Aviacol/

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:30 pm
by KarelXWB
Earlier this week MSN 30 SQ #2 emerged from paint:


F-WZFY / 9V-SUB Airbus A350-941 msn 030 Singapore Airlines by DigitalAirliners.com, on Flickr

MSN 36 QR #12 and MSN 37 SQ #4 undergoing outdoor ground tests at P18:


A350s MSN 036 and 037 outside A330 prod hall by DigitalAirliners.com, on Flickr

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:50 pm
by Miami
CAF for QR7

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5717/22387126024_c0d31e85ba_o.jpgAIB04FH Caf 14/11/2015 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:12 am
by KarelXWB
MSN24 is now visible on FR24:

http://fr24.com/FWZFS/7fe5f79



Quoting Miami (Reply 172):
CAF for QR7

And now MSN 17 prepares for its first CAF:

http://fr24.com/AIB03FL/7fe7324



[Edited 2015-11-16 01:17:01]

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:49 am
by KarelXWB
Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 165):
So total of 50 so far, and 23 so far this year. So add another ?9 for Q4 and we have 32 for 2015, average 2.7 a month.

I realise it is most unlikely that this is the current production rate, but must be indicative to some extent.

Regarding 2016, if you extrapolate the graph of shipset deliveries, and it continues in its current upward trajectory (lets hope so), then I estimate about 48 in 2016 or 4 a month for shipset deliveries.

Current FAL load is 3 frames per month and is planned to be increased to 5 per month early next year.

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 6:55 am
by Ruscoe
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 174):
Current FAL load is 3 frames per month and is planned to be increased to 5 per month early next year.

Thanks, that's great.

Ruscoe

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:54 am
by KarelXWB
MSN 22 rolled out to the flight line, currently visible on FR24:


RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:14 am
by StTim
So if they can deliver all those currently at the delivery centre or flightline this year then they will have acheived the 15 deliveries.

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:56 am
by KarelXWB
MSN 17 returning from its CAF two days ago:


Caf msn17 16/11/2015 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:09 am
by KarelXWB
MSN 17 airborne on its second customer flight:

http://fr24.com/AIB04FL/805b18d

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:38 pm
by starbucks
And MSN13 is also getting ready for the next one:
http://www.flightradar24.com/AIB05FH

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:51 pm
by 777X
Guys, it's been a week or more. Are there still no pictures of CX #1?

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:09 pm
by CCA
It's so underwhelming no one's interested   

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:59 pm
by LZ129
It's also been more than a week and still no pictures of the SQ A350 with enginges?

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:47 pm
by Sooner787
Quoting Lz129 (Reply 183):
It's also been more than a week and still no pictures of the SQ A350 with enginges?

I think our friends in France have had other things on their minds the past few days

#prayforparis

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:23 pm
by starbucks

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:57 pm
by Sooner787
Quoting starbucks (Reply 185):
It's something.....
http://twitter.com/seymoresky/status/667448964644405248

The nose section looks better than the 77W I saw, kinda looks like the new
livery was designed with the A350 in mind

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:58 am
by ap305
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUNIBb9UsAArVhU.jpg:large

http://twitter.com/SeymoreSky

[Edited 2015-11-19 22:59:31]

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 1:12 pm
by Heavierthanair
G'day

http://leehamnews.com/2015/11/20/bjo...orner-production-rates/#more-17866

Well written article on Leeham on the A 350 production ramp up   


Cheers

Peter

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 1:30 pm
by rbrunner
Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 188):
Well written article on Leeham on the A 350 production ramp up

Yes, it puts things into perspective. Thanks for sharing.

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 2:31 pm
by CX Flyboy
I understand that the first CX delivery has been delayed - overheard one of our managers mentioning this in the lift and asking his secretary to figure out the cost of the delay to the company. Anyone with details?

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 3:32 pm
by ap305
Quoting Cx flyboy (Reply 190):
I understand that the first CX delivery has been delayed - overheard one of our managers mentioning this in the lift and asking his secretary to figure out the cost of the delay to the company. Anyone with details?

The aircraft is out of paint with still two months to go for delivery... I guess it must be interior completion related? The Leeham article above gives a fair idea of the issues.

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:22 am
by Heavierthanair
G'day

Qatar # 7 MSN # 13 flying "home"

http://www.flightradar24.com/QTR3359/80ab329

People seem to no longer pay much attention  


Cheers

Peter

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:47 am
by ap305
Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 192):
Qatar # 7 MSN # 13 flying "home"

This is a most encouraging development... must be the least number days for any QR delivery so far.

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:55 am
by starbucks
Quoting ap305 (Reply 193):
must be the least number days for any QR delivery so far.

Looks that MSN10 has that honor:

MSN10: FF 11-05-2015 -> Delivery 10-06-2015, so about one month between
MSN13: FF 08-10-2015 -> Delivery 21-11-2015, about 6 weeks between

 

//Edit: Just thinking, if you meant days between transfer to Delivery Center to Actual Delivery you might be right, I don't have the exact numbers right now, but MSN13 wasn't at the DC that long I believe  

[Edited 2015-11-21 02:59:42]

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 2:35 pm
by Miami
CX A350 has rolled out.



https://twitter.com/SeymoreSky

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 5:35 pm
by 3rdGen
Quoting ap305 (Reply 193):
Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 192):
Qatar # 7 MSN # 13 flying "home"

This is a most encouraging development... must be the least number days for any QR delivery so far.

This is good for QR, they had early stated that they were targeting 6 A350s in 2015, but they have 7.

When is the next one set to join the fleet? A7-ALH I presume. Heard that they expected 1 per month in 2016.

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:12 pm
by AABB777
From what I have heard, QR is likely going to start their second daily DOH-JFK route earlier than March 2016. The flight will be operated by the A350. An announcement should happen in early December.

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:44 pm
by BOAC1966
VNA889 looks ready for delivery very soon from TLS

RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:25 pm
by rbrunner
Quoting BOAC1966 (Reply 198):
VNA889 looks ready for delivery very soon from TLS

Yes, TAC is scheduled for the 24th, i.e. in two days.