Petition To Rename YYC

SpaceshipDC10 · Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:03 pm

Some people would like to rename the airport in honor of outgoing PM Stephen Harper. Me think it's too early as they should probably wait until his death and perhaps wait some time to have a better perspective on his legacy.

http://canadianaviationnews.wordpres...nched-to-rename-calgary-airport-2/

DolphinAir747 · Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:11 pm

Meh. I never like naming airports for living people, or at least not for divisive politicians whose legacies are very unclear. Though I guess since Pearson and Trudeau got their airports, what can you do. Isn't there a historical Canadian leader or cultural figure who is more popular though?

VS4ever · Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:31 pm

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 1):
Isn't there a historical Canadian leader or cultural figure who is more popular though?

PA Announcement on the inaugral flight: Ladies and Gentlemen, please let us welcome you to Celine Dion International Airport the local time is X. Thank you for flying Air Canada..

Or something like that...

This thread could be a long one with the different options. I would agree though, naming airports after living folks is not necessarily a good idea. What would have happened if Bill Cosby had gotten an airport named after him. An extreme example, i know, but...

yowza · Wed Oct 28, 2015 5:02 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Thread starter):
Some people would like to rename the airport in honor of outgoing PM Stephen Harper.

Major infrastructure should only be named after people posthumously. It's in poor taste otherwise. Needless to say this is going nowhere. I should point out that there are also petitions to name a prison and a garbage dump after him too...

YOWza

YVRFlyer · Wed Oct 28, 2015 5:25 pm

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 2):
PA Announcement on the inaugral flight: Ladies and Gentlemen, please let us welcome you to Celine Dion International Airport the local time is X. Thank you for flying Air Canada..

Given how popular Celine and other Canadian musicians are for Uncle Sam's "enhanced interrogation" methods, maybe NBW will eventually win the honor

YYZFAN · Wed Oct 28, 2015 5:26 pm

I agree with people above saying this should occur posthumously if it were to occur. Not to turn this into a political discussion, but Stephen Harper has been a politician in Calgary since the 90's. He is a very popular man in Alberta, particularly Calgary. He has done nearly 20 years of public service too.

And just to add to those who are going to turn this into a Harper bashing....Trudeau and Harper both won their majorities with near identical portions of the popular vote (39.5%). So let's keep this discussion about naming airports, when it is appropriate, etc.

winterlight · Wed Oct 28, 2015 6:03 pm

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 1):
Isn't there a historical Canadian leader or cultural figure who is more popular though?

Mike Myers: for services to comedy.

beechnut · Thu Oct 29, 2015 1:37 am

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 1):
Though I guess since Pearson and Trudeau got their airports, what can you do.

Yes but they both died before having airports named for them.

Harper shouldn't get an airport named for him before he passes on, and given his relatively young age and apparent good health that could be a very long time. By then we'll have a better idea of his legacy as well. Right now he comes across as too divisive a figure except maybe in, well, Calgary... though the riding YYC is located in went Liberal in the election.

Beech

Viscount724 · Thu Oct 29, 2015 1:47 am

Quoting beechnut (Reply 7):
Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 1):
Though I guess since Pearson and Trudeau got their airports, what can you do.

Yes but they both died before having airports named for them.

Harper shouldn't get an airport named for him before he passes on, and given his relatively young age and apparent good health that could be a very long time. By then we'll have a better idea of his legacy as well. Right now he comes across as too divisive a figure except maybe in, well, Calgary... though the riding YYC is located in went Liberal in the election.

I don't like naming airports for politicians. Only results in cumbersome names that are seldom used in practice (JFK a rare exception). But if it has to be done, at least wait until they're dead.

There was some talk of renaming YYC airport for longtime (1971-85) and very popular Alberta premier Peter Lougheed who died in 2010. If YYC has to be named for any Conservative politician, he deserves it much more than Harper. And Lougheed was born in Alberta unlike Harper who was born and raised in Toronto and didn't move to Alberta (and Edmonton initially, not Calgary) until after he'd finished high school.

bristolflyer · Thu Oct 29, 2015 1:53 am

Justin Bieber International Airport?

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 2):
Celine Dion International Airport

Could be called "Celine's United National Terminal".

qf2220 · Thu Oct 29, 2015 1:59 am

Quoting yowza (Reply 3):
Major infrastructure should only be named after people posthumously

Agreed, the statue principle should apply.

Quoting bristolflyer (Reply 9):

Inapropriate.

Vio · Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:01 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
I don't like naming airports for politicians. Only results in cumbersome names that are seldom used in practice (JFK a rare exception).

I agree. One only has to look at James Armstrong Richardson International Airport (CYWG). I think it's more appropriate to name an airport after people who have contributed to the development and improvement of aviation (and aerospace). Bucharest Henri Coanda is a good example.

afcjets · Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:05 am

Can someone please tell me why all major airports in Canada have to start with the letter Y?

Vio · Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:12 am

Quoting afcjets (Reply 12):
Can someone please tell me why all major airports in Canada have to start with the letter Y?

The airport codes are named after "weather codes". The Canadian "weather station" codes began with Y, hence

"YVR" = Y VancouveR
"YOW" = Y OttaWa

Cyow · Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:13 am

I think generally airports should just keep their city/town name. I liked YUL Dorval because its located in Dorval, and ironic that Trudeau was the new name considering how divisive he was in respect to Mirabel. Instead of JFK, Idlewild.. Politicians are by their nature divisive. Landing at Reagan National.. Or someday Obama Intl in Chicago... No thanks.

Oroka · Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:16 am

hehe

there is a petition to name YYC after Harper with 6540 signatures

and a petition to not name YYC after Harper with 22860 signatures

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/en-gb...the-calgary-international-airport/

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/677/1...en-j.-harper-international-airport

afcjets · Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:23 am

What is a weather code and are they always Y plus a city name and if so what is the logic behind that?

Viscount724 · Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:30 am

Quoting afcjets (Reply 16):
What is a weather code

Airports that also had weather stations.

Beatyair · Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:44 am

I live here and I would prefer Calgary International Airport. Naming a airport works when you have multiple airports in one city. Maybe, but only maybe after he passes, but not after a lost election.

Beatyair · Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:47 am

Do you think all airports and government buildings will be re-named TRUMP, if he wins? The TRUMP Los Angels International Airport or The TRUMP Dallas Fort Worth International Airport?

ltbewr · Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:57 am

I agree that no airport should be named for living politician unless a connection to aircraft like Houston Intercontinental to include former US President George HW Bush, a person who served as a pilot in WWII and survived bring shot down.
Sometimes past politicians turn out years later to have been crooks, racist, and so on so better not to use their names in connections with airports or other public facilities.

Viscount724 · Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:11 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 20):
I agree that no airport should be named for living politician unless a connection to aircraft like Houston Intercontinental to include former US President George HW Bush, a person who served as a pilot in WWII and survived bring shot down.
Sometimes past politicians turn out years later to have been crooks, racist, and so on so better not to use their names in connections with airports or other public facilities.

ANC airport, named for long-time Alaska senator Ted Stevens, was briefly named for a convicted felon when he was convicted of corruption charges in 2008. The indictment was later dismissed which wiped out the conviction after an investigation found evidence of misconduct by prosecutors.

He died in a DHC-3 Otter crash in Alaska in 2010.
http://www.dot.state.ak.us/anc/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Stevens

MrChips · Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:15 am

Maybe not the whole airport, but certainly the control tower.

Or maybe the new international terminal.

Schweigend · Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:56 am

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 1):
Isn't there a historical Canadian leader or cultural figure who is more popular though?

I would respectfully suggest William Shatner, who was born in Montréal in 1931 -- he is now 84 years old.

Sorry, I'm not a Celine Dion fan....but she's also from Québec!

Back in March 2014, when MAD was named after Adolfo Suárez, we had a very good and lively thread on the topic of renaming airports after people, especially when they have perfectly good place-names. Consensus was that the person should be dead.

An entertaining read:

Madrid-Barajas Renamed

N1120A · Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:04 am

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 1):
Though I guess since Pearson and Trudeau got their airports

They deserved their airports. Harper doesn't deserve one.

Quoting afcjets (Reply 12):
Can someone please tell me why all major airports in Canada have to start with the letter Y?

Dates back to weather station and radio codes.

Quoting MrChips (Reply 22):
Or maybe the new international terminal.

That would be ironic, given his record on immigration.

YLWbased · Thu Oct 29, 2015 5:48 am

How about Calgary Justin Bieber International Airport? Anyone with me?

YLWbased

N1120A · Thu Oct 29, 2015 7:25 am

Quoting YLWbased (Reply 25):
How about Calgary Justin Bieber International Airport? Anyone with me?

Ha! Well, like Harper, he would be an Ontarian who annoyed us and became associated with Alberta.

Aquila3 · Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:23 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 26):

So what about Wayne Douglas Gretzky International?
Ok, another Ontarian, associated with Alberta you may say, but, let me tell you, of another League.

skymiler · Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:25 am

Quoting YYZFAN (Reply 5):
I agree with people above saying this should occur posthumously if it were to occur. Not to turn this into a political discussion, but Stephen Harper has been a politician in Calgary since the 90's. He is a very popular man in Alberta, particularly Calgary. He has done nearly 20 years of public service too.

I vote for Ralph Klein International!

Vio · Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:54 am

Quoting skymiler (Reply 28):
I vote for Ralph Klein International!

I'm pretty sure they have a pub named after him at YYC

[Edited 2015-10-29 04:55:00]

AWACSooner · Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:00 pm

list of great Canadians I'd name an airport after BEFORE politicians:
1. Terry Fox
2. Gordie Howe
3. Wayne Gretzky
4. the three members of Rush
5. Don Cherry

[Edited 2015-10-29 05:05:27]

c172akula · Thu Oct 29, 2015 1:26 pm

YYC already has a name, before the Feds stripped the name it was called McCall Field in honour of WWI Air Ace Frederick McCall:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_McCall

If YYC was to be renamed I would like to see the aviation connection kept and simply call it "Calgary McCall International".

beechnut · Thu Oct 29, 2015 1:51 pm

If one Canadian politician deserves an airport named after him, it would have to be C. D. Howe.

And he was in fact an American by birth

Beech

afcjets · Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:21 pm

Shania Twain Airport

ytib · Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:36 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 30):
5. Don Cherry

Only of the carpet was made out of his old suits.

bhill · Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:43 pm

Errr...I thought it had to be a French name, or written/spoken in that fashion......

SpaceshipDC10 · Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:45 pm

Quoting c172akula (Reply 31):
If YYC was to be renamed I would like to see the aviation connection kept and simply call it "Calgary McCall International".

Definitely what should be done.

Devilfish · Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:51 pm

Quoting afcjets (Reply 33):

It is fair then to also suggest Gordon Meredith Lightfoot, from Orillia, Ontario. Nice native ring to it, too.

SaschaYHZ · Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:58 pm

Quite frankly, as a wrestling fan, i'd rather see this:

https://www.change.org/p/garth-atkinson-name-the-calgary-international-airport-after-stu-hart?recruiter=415492614&utm_campaign=signature_receipt_fb_dialog&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition

N1120A · Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:13 pm

Quoting Aquila3 (Reply 27):
So what about Wayne Douglas Gretzky International?
Ok, another Ontarian, associated with Alberta you may say, but, let me tell you, of another League.

Nah - that would be Edmonton :-P.

Quoting skymiler (Reply 28):
I vote for Ralph Klein International!

Quoting Vio (Reply 29):
I'm pretty sure they have a pub named after him at YYC

Would it be King Ralph International?

Quoting afcjets (Reply 33):
Shania Twain Airport

That would be Timmons :-P

Quoting ytib (Reply 34):
Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 30):
5. Don Cherry

Only of the carpet was made out of his old suits.

Canadian humor is awesome.

Quantos · Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:19 pm

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 23):
I would respectfully suggest William Shatner, who was born in Montréal in 1931 -- he is now 84 years old.

While we're at it, let's go all in and rename YUL the James T. Kirk Intl. Airport (or Spaceport for futureproofing).

SpaceshipDC10 · Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:22 pm

Quoting Quantos (Reply 40):
While we're at it, let's go all in and rename YUL the James T. Kirk Intl. Airport (or Spaceport for futureproofing).

I would love that.

Freshside3 · Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:40 pm

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 23):
I would respectfully suggest William Shatner, who was born in Montréal in 1931 -- he is now 84 years old.

Wasn't Leonard Nimoy from some place in Canada, too?

Quoting afcjets (Reply 33):
Shania Twain Airport

That would be for YTS.

AADC10 · Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:55 pm

Quoting Freshside3 (Reply 42):

Wasn't Leonard Nimoy from some place in Canada, too?

I believe Nimoy was from the Boston area. The other Canadian Star Trek cast member was James Doohan, born in Vancouver, raised somewhere in Ontario. Unlike Shatner, Doohan actually flew for the Canadian military during WWII.

How about Christopher Plummer? Shatner first came to notice as an understudy to Plummer, when Plummer became ill.

Skywatcher · Thu Oct 29, 2015 5:03 pm

It must be surreal for the new Canadian prime minister to land at YUL-named after his father.

Harper will get his name at YYC in 30 or forty years after his demise. Count on it.

Canadi>n · Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:19 pm

They don't have to name the whole airport after the ex-prime minister. Maybe just the new international terminal. I think that the Stephen Harper International Terminal...or #$%^ for short, has a nice ring to it!

SpaceshipDC10 · Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:22 pm

Quoting Canadi>n (Reply 45):
They don't have to name the whole airport after the ex-prime minister. Maybe just the new international terminal. I think that the Stephen Harper International Terminal...or #$%^ for short, has a nice ring to it!

That's right, very clever.

cyeg66 · Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:14 pm

Chris Hadfield international...?

SpaceshipDC10 · Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:35 pm

Quoting cyeg66 (Reply 47):
Chris Hadfield international...?

Unless it's possible to have two airports with the same name, no: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarnia_Chris_Hadfield_Airport

Viscount724 · Fri Oct 30, 2015 2:06 am

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 48):
Quoting cyeg66 (Reply 47):
Chris Hadfield international...?

Unless it's possible to have two airports with the same name, no: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarnia_...rport

Canada already has two airports named for Billy Bishop, both in Ontario, 98 miles apart, although only one has scheduled service.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Bishop_Toronto_City_Airport
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Sound_Billy_Bishop_Regional_Airport

He was born in Owen Sound which is why that small airport is named for him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Bishop

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