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Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:02 pm

Tonight, the first part of the transportation of the 747 will commence.
Topic about that here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1414797&p=21069149#p21069149
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Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:35 pm

I found some pictures from Teruel on Twitter today. It looks like they're taking today (or at least sometime in the last several days), but it shows PH-BFP getting scrapped.
I've seen photos of -BFP in this state from November 2018; which means they're taking their time chopping her up...

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You can see the upper deck remains from PH-BFM and -BFO on the left side of the green "box", on the left of the scrapping area on the 2nd picture below.
(also visible PH-BFA and -BFC)

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Twitter post: https://twitter.com/Sr_JOF/status/1095397050773065730

Oh, and this happened today: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1415457
During pushback; PH-BFV hit KLM 787-9 PH-BHA's horizontal stabilizer with her right winglet.
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Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:37 pm

There are plenty spare RH winglets from retired klm 744’s available.
Repairing the horizontal stabilizer from PH-BHA will be far more expensive.
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Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:51 pm

PH-BFN flew to Jakarta yesterday for C-check.
Now, in light of all the recent retro jets and KLM *actually* turning 100 years old this year; KLM: let's do this! :D



Also; you can buy or win a piece of KLM 747 in a watch. The Bristol Watch Company is bringing out 1987 watches that includes a piece of ex-KLM 747-300(M) PH-BUW in the watch backing.
That plane later flew for Surinam Airways as PZ-TCM and is stored in MZJ since 2010. They're making 1987 of them; 1987 was the year this particular 747 joined KLM.
https://bristolwatchcompany.com/collections/all

You can win one too: https://theavgeeks.com/2019/02/07/the-b ... -giveaway/

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Since that 747 is wearing Surinam Airways colors, but the watch backing is blue; I wonder what part of the 747 they used for these watches...

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Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:46 pm

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PH-BFN flew to Jakarta yesterday for C-check.

And she got back today.
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Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:25 am

PH-BFN will be one of the last two 744's to retire, together with PH-BFY.

Lastest KLM 744 retirement schedule (subject to change) :

City of Beijing (PH-BFU) 08-04-2019
City of Guayaquil (PH-BFG) 09-12-2019
City of Jakarta (PH-BFI) 30-12-2019
City of Hong Kong (PH-BFH) 30-03-2020
City of Seoul (PH-BFS) 30-03-2020
City of Tokyo (PH-BFT) 01-10-2020
City of Lima (PH-BFL) 26-10-2020
City of Vancouver (PH-BFV) 01-04-2021
City of Shanghai (PH-BFW) 01-04-2021
City of Nairobi (PH-BFN) 01-05-2021
City of Johannesburg (PH-BFY) 01-05-2021

Source (Dutch) : Scramble Praethuys, KLM, member nemaco, see : https://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php ... start=3375
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Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:04 am

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PH-BFN will be one of the last two 744's to retire, together with PH-BFY.

Lastest KLM 744 retirement schedule (subject to change) :

City of Beijing (PH-BFU) 08-04-2019
City of Guayaquil (PH-BFG) 09-12-2019
City of Jakarta (PH-BFI) 30-12-2019
City of Hong Kong (PH-BFH) 30-03-2020
City of Seoul (PH-BFS) 30-03-2020
City of Tokyo (PH-BFT) 01-10-2020
City of Lima (PH-BFL) 26-10-2020
City of Vancouver (PH-BFV) 01-04-2021
City of Shanghai (PH-BFW) 01-04-2021
City of Nairobi (PH-BFN) 01-05-2021
City of Johannesburg (PH-BFY) 01-05-2021

Source (Dutch) : Scramble Praethuys, KLM, member nemaco, see : https://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php ... start=3375


BFG and BFH will be very short of their 30th birthday when retired. A very long career for a longhaul aircraft.
 
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Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:51 pm

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PH-BFN will be one of the last two 744's to retire, together with PH-BFY.

City of Vancouver (PH-BFV) 01-04-2021

Source (Dutch) : Scramble Praethuys, KLM, member nemaco, see : https://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php ... start=3375


How ironic that KLM has never flown 744s to YVR! At least to my knowledge. (Earliest I know of was D10, then 767, M11, 333/summer 777, then 333/summer 789)
 
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Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:08 am

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On a side note: as of Saterday March 4th; KLM is left as the sole operator of the Boeing 747 combi aircraft.
On that date Asiana Airlines flew their last 747-400M flight from Hanoi to Seoul. This aircraft has since been flown to TLV for full-cargo conversion.

KLM and Asiana Airlines were the only airlines left operating 747-400M's since Eva Air stopped flying them on January 5, 2015.
KLM was the first 747-400M operator in the world when they received their 3rd 747-400 that was configured as a combi on September 1, 1989.
(KLM was also the first European 747-400 operator when they received PH-BFA on May 18th, 1989.)
They were also the last airline to receive the 747-400M when they received PH-BFY on April 10, 2002.

From the 61 build 747-400M's some are left flying around this earth as full-freighters and only 15 remain flying passengers; 12 KLM, 2 VIP (A6-COM, Dubai Air Wing / Royal Flight)
and CN-MBH Morrocan Government) and the Emir of Kuwait's 9K-ADE (Kuwait Airways uses this aircraft quite a lot for regular passenger flights)
As far as I can tell those last 3 don't have the main deck cargo space in use anymore. And KLM has reconfigured 2 747-400M's to full-pax 747's years ago (PH-BFH and -BFY).
So that makes only 10 747-400 Combi planes left.

None of the 747-classic combi's are left flying passengers.

As far as the topic title concerns; the next and 8th 747 to leave the KLM fleet is PH-BFE; she will leave the fleet in about 2 months.

Mahan Air still flies passengers in their ex Air France 747-300 combi.
 
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Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:09 am

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PH-BFN will be one of the last two 744's to retire, together with PH-BFY.

Lastest KLM 744 retirement schedule (subject to change) :

City of Beijing (PH-BFU) 08-04-2019
City of Guayaquil (PH-BFG) 09-12-2019
City of Jakarta (PH-BFI) 30-12-2019
City of Hong Kong (PH-BFH) 30-03-2020
City of Seoul (PH-BFS) 30-03-2020
City of Tokyo (PH-BFT) 01-10-2020
City of Lima (PH-BFL) 26-10-2020
City of Vancouver (PH-BFV) 01-04-2021
City of Shanghai (PH-BFW) 01-04-2021
City of Nairobi (PH-BFN) 01-05-2021
City of Johannesburg (PH-BFY) 01-05-2021

Source (Dutch) : Scramble Praethuys, KLM, member nemaco, see : https://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php ... start=3375

Does Boeing still have a 747-400 freighter conversion program?
 
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Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:22 am

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Mahan Air still flies passengers in their ex Air France 747-300 combi.[/quote]
Correct, but she's not flying in a combi-configuration anymore. KLM is the last airline to operate a 747 in combi configuration.
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Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:24 am

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blacksoviet wrote:

Mahan Air still flies passengers in their ex Air France 747-300 combi.

Correct, but she's not flying in a combi-configuration anymore. KLM is the last airline to operate a 747 in combi configuration.[/quote]
When did Mahan Air stop flying her in combi configuration?
 
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Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:33 pm

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When did Mahan Air stop flying her in combi configuration?

From what I could find, shortly after Air France took over this bird from UTA; they converted her in a full-pax 747. I can't find any source that shows it operating for Mahan Air as a combi aircraft.
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Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:48 am

https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/ ... -van-airfi

SCHIPHOL - KLM now offers inflight entertainment via AirFi on all Boeing 747-400s. Travelers can watch films, listen to music or browse magazines on long-haul flights on their own laptop, tablet or smartphone.

The Dutch AirFi supplies boxes that create a wireless network on board, on which passengers can log in with their own mobile device to use content. KLM also continues to offer entertainment via the personal TV screens in the seats.

“The quality of the current inflight entertainment in the Boeing 747-400s is no longer of the level that it should be. Because the aircraft will disappear completely from the fleet in the coming years, investing in new systems is no longer profitable. With the AirFi routers on board, we can provide the passengers with high-quality content via their own mobile devices ”, COO René de Groot said earlier.

KLM still flies with twelve Boeing 747-400s. They must all have been replaced by more modern devices by the end of 2021, such as the Boeing 777-300ER and Boeing 787 Dreamliner.
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:34 pm

This afternoon at 15:15 PH-BFU landed at Amsterdam Airport as flight KL686 from Mexico-City.
This was the very last landing of "City of Beijing" at Amsterdam.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... u#202012f4

The 21 year old lady will now be phased out and appears to be heading for Teruel early next month.

Now the KLM 747 fleet is down to 10 aircraft; 5 full pax and 5 combi.

Last arrival this afternoon at Amsterdam:

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Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:48 pm

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This afternoon at 15:15 PH-BFU landed at Amsterdam Airport as flight KL686 from Mexico-City.
This was the very last landing of "City of Beijing" at Amsterdam.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... u#202012f4

The 21 year old lady will now be phased out and appears to be heading for Teruel early next month.

Now the KLM 747 fleet is down to 10 aircraft; 5 full pax and 5 combi.

Last arrival this afternoon at Amsterdam:

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To bad they aren't keeping them around for India capacity for a short period in this Jet Airways mess.
 
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Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:07 am

PH-BFU is scheduled for a (last) ferry flight towards Teruel at May 06th 2019. (according Scramble forum - 't Praethuys - KLM - page 232)
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Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:30 am

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To bad they aren't keeping them around for India capacity for a short period in this Jet Airways mess.


Apparently, the arrangements to get them retired are so advanced, it cannot be just reversed on a whim. Crewing has moved on; the retirement is already planned around upcoming major checks -- so the frames must be pretty timed out, by the time they are pulled out of service. I would guess even spare parts inventory is managed in expectation of salvaged parts from retired frames.

That's a price you pay for running a tight ship -- you just don't have too much slack, to jump upon an interesting opportunity, if it presents itself at a short notice.
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Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:44 am

How many 747 are with new livery?
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Sun Apr 21, 2019 1:36 pm

Phosphorus wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
To bad they aren't keeping them around for India capacity for a short period in this Jet Airways mess.


Apparently, the arrangements to get them retired are so advanced, it cannot be just reversed on a whim. Crewing has moved on; the retirement is already planned around upcoming major checks -- so the frames must be pretty timed out, by the time they are pulled out of service. I would guess even spare parts inventory is managed in expectation of salvaged parts from retired frames.

That's a price you pay for running a tight ship -- you just don't have too much slack, to jump upon an interesting opportunity, if it presents itself at a short notice.


The next retirement, City of Guayaquil (PH-BFG), is scheduled for the end of this year, so there is some time to adjust the 744 retirement schedule to the change in introduction timing from A359 to B787-9/10's in KLM's long haul fleet.
As indicated before I would prefer to delay the retirement of the full pax 744's with one or two years, when a proper replacement becomes available : the 777-9.
Far more economical and more in line with the present slot restraints at AMS. (more capacity / movement)
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Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:58 pm

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How many 747 are with new livery?

Now half of the entire fleet; 5 of them: PH-BFN, -BFT, -BFV, -BFW and -BFY.
Also 2 out of 3 freighters; PH-CKA and -CKB.
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Mon May 06, 2019 3:29 pm

PH-BFU, waiting for her last flight to Teruel , 09:00 AM, AMS, May 06th
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Tue May 07, 2019 7:46 am

PH-BFU airborne at 09:12 LT for her final flight to Teruel with callsign KL9875, see : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/KLM ... 0710Z/EHAM
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Tue May 07, 2019 10:15 am

PH-BFU, after her last landing Teruel, May 7th 2019.

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Tue May 07, 2019 11:01 am

She was light as a feather; she needed VERY little runway for takeoff. Also cruising at a low altitude of only 19.000 feet and only ascending to 25.000 feet towards the end.
She did a nice low-pass at LETL at 4800 feet and then landed at runway 18.

Farewell Beijing!

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Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Thu May 09, 2019 11:47 am

According "Dutch Scramble Messageboard" PH-BFU has been retired with 112.422 hours and 12587 cycles, see : https://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php ... start=3510
Any info available for verification ?

For comparisson :

BFA 125.836 / 16.881
BFB 134.729 / 18.024
BFC 140.929 / ??.???
BFD 137.735 / 16.761
BFE 137.069 / 16.493
BFF 140.213 / ??.???
BFK 129.511 / 15419
BFM 123.221 / 14596
BFO 120.665 / 14126
BFP 120.457 / 14004
BFR 124.375 / 14421
BFU 112.422 / 12587

BFC and BFF cycle count ?
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Thu May 09, 2019 12:31 pm

The end of an era. In about 10 years or so, aviation is going to look so boring. All the major 747 operators are replacing these fleets with more efficient, yet boring 777s and A350s. :(
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Thu May 09, 2019 12:44 pm

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BFC and BFF cycle count ?

I have 140.214 hours / 17.210 cycles for -BFF.
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Thu May 09, 2019 12:45 pm

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The end of an era. In about 10 years or so, aviation is going to look so boring. All the major 747 operators are replacing these fleets with more efficient, yet boring 777s and A350s. :(

So true. Boring uniformity is awaiting us enthusiasts. Sad prospect.
 
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Thu May 09, 2019 12:53 pm

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According "Dutch Scramble Messageboard" PH-BFU has been retired with 112.422 hours and 12587 cycles, see : https://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php ... start=3510
Any info available for verification ?

For comparisson :

BFA 125.836 / 16.881
BFB 134.729 / 18.024
BFC 140.929 / ??.???
BFD 137.735 / 16.761
BFE 137.069 / 16.493
BFF 140.213 / ??.???
BFK 129.511 / 15419
BFM 123.221 / 14596
BFO 120.665 / 14126
BFP 120.457 / 14004
BFR 124.375 / 14421
BFU 112.422 / 12587

BFC and BFF cycle count ?


I have BFC with 141.938 hours/17.271 cycles - as much as I know the alltime record holder of all aircraft ever if it comes to flight hours.
 
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Thu May 09, 2019 1:54 pm

na wrote:
steeler83 wrote:
The end of an era. In about 10 years or so, aviation is going to look so boring. All the major 747 operators are replacing these fleets with more efficient, yet boring 777s and A350s. :(

So true. Boring uniformity is awaiting us enthusiasts. Sad prospect.

When I was younger, I guess I took for granted the presence of planes like the 727, DC10/L1011 and the 747s. Funny how the 777 lead to the end of the DC10 and L1011 initially when the twin jet became ETOPS certified. Then as technological advancements allowed for Boeing and Airbus to erect larger aircraft using a twin engine configuration, that pretty much rendered the 747 obsolete. Even the 748i really doesn't have any advantage over the likes of the later 777 and A350 variants.

I suppose one possibility would be if they could design a 747-type aircraft that would run on solar power, or hydrogen, or some other form of alternative energy source. Spit balling here I know.
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Thu May 09, 2019 2:02 pm

Nice airborne picture of PH-BFU , climb out AMS towards Teruel.
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Thu May 09, 2019 2:06 pm

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The end of an era. In about 10 years or so, aviation is going to look so boring. All the major 747 operators are replacing these fleets with more efficient, yet boring 777s and A350s. :(


But 20 years ago, everyone had 747’s where as in 10 years everyone will have A350’s and 777’s. I expect we will be mourning the loss of the A350 in 25 years “Last of the Classics”.
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Thu May 09, 2019 2:19 pm

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steeler83 wrote:
The end of an era. In about 10 years or so, aviation is going to look so boring. All the major 747 operators are replacing these fleets with more efficient, yet boring 777s and A350s. :(


But 20 years ago, everyone had 747’s where as in 10 years everyone will have A350’s and 777’s. I expect we will be mourning the loss of the A350 in 25 years “Last of the Classics”.


+1

The generic boring machines of today will be the missed classics of tomorrow.

(although I'm pretty sure the miss factor will be somehow more important with the venerable Jumbo Jet)
 
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Thu May 09, 2019 4:10 pm

Both are rather good points. The other aircraft I miss are the 732 and DC9, namely their PW JT8D powerhouses. The GE CFM series engine, namely Boeing's patent on the one design of one in the early '80s proved to be more efficient and quieter than the PW engines. I loved hearing those suckers as the planes taxied between the gates and runways and then spooling up to begin their takeoff roll. The 787 has a unique sound to its engine; it sounds as tho the planes are "singing."

Who knows what 20 or 25 years will bring, but that is a good, valid point that today's equipment will give way to something else.
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Sat May 18, 2019 9:41 pm

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Today (May 18) it's exactly 30 years ago that after a long wait, KLM finally received their very first 747-400; PH-BFA "City of Atlanta". It was the 10th produced 747-400.
KLM was the 5th airline in the world to order the new 747-400 when it did so on April 6, 1986.
It ordered 6 aircraft, the most expensive KLM order at that time.

When KLM took delivery of "Atlanta" on May 18, 1989 it was the 3rd airline in the world to receive the new 747-400 and the first European airline.
At the time of the delivery the total KLM 747-400 order had risen to 13 aircraft.
After the 747 was blessed by Jean Childs Young; wife of the mayor of Atlanta , -BFA flew home to Amsterdam where it landed at Schiphol Airport just past noon on May 19.

A Dutch TV report on the delivery of PH-BFA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9260PycY-c
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PH-BFA made her (and therefore KLM's) very first 747-400 commercial flight on June 7, 1989 as KL641 to New York JFK.
Just 12 days later (1 day before KLM would receive their 2nd 747-400 PH-BFB) the #1 engine hit a lawnmower when she was taxiing to the runway for another flight to New York JFK.
The engine had to be replaced.
The occupant of the lawnmower could go home after a short treatment at the hospital.

Another Dutch TV report on the accident:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H-qtnlexj4
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For the next 27 years, -BFA would make more than 125.000 flying hours and almost 17.000 cycles.
On October 16, 2016 she made her very last landing on runway 18R (Polderbaan) after having arrived from Curacao as flight KL736.
On November 7, 2016 she made her very last flight as she was ferried to Teruel, Spain where she's still stored to this day.
On July 24, 2017 her registration was crossed out in the Dutch Civil Aircraft Register.

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Eventually KLM would place 13 orders for the 747-400 for a total of 25 aircraft. The last order for the 747-400 was made on June 14, 2002 for 1 more 747-400ERF; PH-CKC "Orange".
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Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Sat May 18, 2019 10:56 pm

Thank you for that post, Iemand91. Those pictures sure take me back in time!
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Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Sat May 18, 2019 11:28 pm

What routes see the combi these days?
 
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Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Sun May 19, 2019 7:57 am

penguins wrote:
What routes see the combi these days?


Top of my head,
MEX
LAX
ICN
HGK
ORD
JFK
NBO
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Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Sun May 19, 2019 1:58 pm

Iemand91 wrote:
Just 12 days later (1 day before KLM would receive their 2nd 747-400 PH-BFB) the #1 engine hit a lawnmower when she was taxiing to the runway for another flight to New York JFK.
The engine had to be replaced.
The occupant of the lawnmower could go home after a short treatment at the hospital.

Another Dutch TV report on the accident:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H-qtnlexj4
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How did the bloke on the lawn mower NOT get sucked into the engine.
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Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Tue May 21, 2019 4:26 pm

Are there any updates on the condition of PH-BFC at Teruel?
 
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Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Sun May 26, 2019 3:11 am

Is KLM installing the fuel system modification that Delta declined to install on their 747-400s?
 
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Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Sun May 26, 2019 8:53 am

Shortage of KLM 744s in winterschedule 2019-2020, due scheduled retirement of PH-BFG in December 2019

I was made aware of this, because I received a schedule change of our already booked CUR (747-400) flight.

- We (my wife and myself) had already booked a B744 trip to CUR, leaving at Jan 14th 2020 (KL 735) and returning at Friday Feb 14th 2020. (KL736)
- I received last week a schedule change : My return flight was cancelled and I was rebooked on the only available CUR flight that day (KL734) operated by A330-200.
- My reserved C-seats were also lost and we were seated in C-class but not next to each other and at different seat rows and no seat changes were possible anymore, because of an already overbooked A330-200 C-class
After some research I discovered that five (5) Friday KL735/736 flights were suddenly cancelled (Jan 17th, 24th, 31th and Feb 7th, 14th)

According following link KLM 744 all pax aircraft are scheduled to operate the extra 6th flight to Paramaribo at above mentioned fridays
See : https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... hlight=klm

Keeping the PH-BFG for a few more months (extension is almost always granted after contact with the dutch CAA !) as a reserve aircraft could have avoided this "not very customer friendly" cancellations.
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Fri May 31, 2019 11:28 am

I was told only 1 774 will retire in december.
 
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Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Fri May 31, 2019 4:35 pm

Does anyone know if the first KLM 787-10 delivery has been delayed? Their first commercial flight was scheduled for July 3 but I still haven't seen any pictures of the airplane at the Boeing factory....?

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Fri May 31, 2019 6:19 pm

Like all 787-10s, it was built at Charleston. It rolled out a few weeks ago but hasn't flown yet. There are few good spotting opportunities at Charleston so we often don't see pictures until pretty late in the process.
 
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Fri May 31, 2019 6:26 pm

Okay thanks seabosdca. I learnt something new today :)

Why are there so few spotting locations in Charleston? Difficult terrain?

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Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:16 pm

Air France-KLM to retire 747 combis by 2021, freighters to remain
https://cargofacts.com/air-france-klm-t ... to-remain/
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Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:19 pm

Some recent (May 7th) pics from Teruel, Spain.
Source: https://www.facebook.com/groups/Farewel ... 930080246/

PH-BFA:

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PH-BFP:

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PH-BFP on the left, PH-BFC in the back and to the right the recent addition PH-BFU:

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The first 2 747's stored at LETL (PH-BFM and -BFO) are completely gone...
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Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:27 pm

seabosdca wrote:
Like all 787-10s, it was built at Charleston. It rolled out a few weeks ago but hasn't flown yet. There are few good spotting opportunities at Charleston so we often don't see pictures until pretty late in the process.

There are a few photos on twitter of PH-BKA, the first 787-10. It even carries 100 years KLM titles, though where special liveries go this one is rather underwhelming.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/PHBKA?src=hash
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