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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:05 pm

Right, this is basically the idea I proposed for the 74M's. Use the main passenger cabin at least a bit for cargo.
 
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Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:53 pm

https://twitter.com/ChinaAvReview/statu ... 6963348480

China Eastern sent 1xA330 and 1x777-300ER full of medical supplies to Prague, Czech Flagge der Tschechischen Republik in the past two days.
The passenger aircraft was used as cargo plane and whole cabin was loaded.

When I worked as a Ramp Agent at VIE in the 80's Austrian Airlines occasionally did it in their MD80's the same way when cargo demand was high and passenger bookings were low. PAX were seated from front to middle of the cabin, cargo was loaded onto the seats via the rear airstair or galley-door and tied down with nets.

Austrian recently operated two flights with their B772 fleet with medical equipment (mostly masks and suits) from Xiamen to Vienna, loading cargo onto the economy seats the same way. Further such flights are planned.
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Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:59 pm

redcap1962 wrote:

When I worked as a Ramp Agent at VIE in the 80's Austrian Airlines occasionally did it in their MD80's the same way when cargo demand was high and passenger bookings were low. PAX were seated from front to middle of the cabin, cargo was loaded onto the seats via the rear airstair or galley-door and tied down with nets.



KLM operated the DC9-30s in the same manner, on occasion.
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:21 pm

Anyone an idea where the PH-BFC is going to. See it on flioghtradar24 going South with a strange flightnumber (FYG21X).

https://www.flightradar24.com/FYG21X/2444259a
 
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:35 pm

Is there any more info on the last passenger flight for the 744 at KL?
 
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Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:00 pm

LJ wrote:
Anyone an idea where the PH-BFC is going to. See it on flioghtradar24 going South with a strange flightnumber (FYG21X).

https://www.flightradar24.com/FYG21X/2444259a

Interesting. According to planespotters BFC was wfu 9 March 2018 and stored at Teruel
 
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Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:15 pm

Seems to stop just North of Algeria.
 
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:54 am

ryanflyer wrote:
gabep wrote:
tvh wrote:

Cargo nets. Sure it is that as easy as I put it as well. But there have been plenty of planes where they take out the seats to carry freight in the night and return them for passengers the next day. Klm must have some people that can think of a way to secure that cargo.

VirginFlyer wrote:
Or “seatbags” - basically cargo bags that lock into the same rails that seats are locked into.

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Unfortunately, it’s just not that simple. There are numerous considerations and an entire certification process that has to take place. Cargo loading, handling, securing loads, crash barriers, fire and smoke suppression and countless other obstacles to service entry. Not to mention the incredible cost and time required to overcome before mentioned obstacles. Believe me, I want the ole gals to stick around, but I’m not convinced there is a case to be made. KLM is better positioned to capture increased cargo demand—even though it’s likely to be temporary—thanks to their dedicated 747 freighter fleet operated by Martinair.

Gabep



You actually may be wrong... Though I would have assumed you to be 100% correct. It looks like Chine Eastern just removes seats and created an A330 combi... I wonder if other airlines could follow. https://twitter.com/ChinaAvReview/statu ... 43840?s=20


I noticed this interesting use of an A330 as well. But we’re talking about two different scenarios. One in which you take a passenger aircraft or combi aircraft and convert it to full freighter use. The other is a temporary emergency measure Intended to meet immediate requirements. MUs rather creative solution certainly works well. Similarly, OS pressed two of their 777s into an adhoc freighter configuration. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:45 am

As threadstarter, can we please stick to the topic and discuss A330-combi ops in a different thread? Has nothing to do with the phase-out of this big blue beauty.
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Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:06 pm

PH-BFT, a 744combi is returning from Shanghai (PVG) to Amsterdam (AMS), as an "interim freighter" to deliver emergency medical supplies from China to the Netherlands, see : https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ph-bft
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:38 pm

LJ wrote:
Anyone an idea where the PH-BFC is going to. See it on flioghtradar24 going South with a strange flightnumber (FYG21X).

https://www.flightradar24.com/FYG21X/2444259a


Ended up in Johannesburg (JNB), Was grounded 03/2018 ?
The last part of the flight was at 45.000 feet, so it was proably empty.
 
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:18 pm

tvh wrote:
LJ wrote:
Anyone an idea where the PH-BFC is going to. See it on flioghtradar24 going South with a strange flightnumber (FYG21X).

https://www.flightradar24.com/FYG21X/2444259a


Ended up in Johannesburg (JNB), Was grounded 03/2018 ?
The last part of the flight was at 45.000 feet, so it was proably empty.

I asked the same question on the Facebook group Farewall KLM Boeing 747 and they said that the plane which we thought was PH-BFC was actually : PH-AJX
 
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Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:41 pm

kevertje wrote:
I asked the same question on the Facebook group Farewall KLM Boeing 747 and they said that the plane which we thought was PH-BFC was actually : PH-AJX


PH-AJX Mode-S Hex code: 484D02
PH-BFC Mode-S Hex-code: 484002
 
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:13 pm

PH-BFT, approaching AMS from PVG, with medical supplies, March 25th 2020

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Original uploaded by Jan Uithol at facebook, see : https://www.facebook.com/groups/FarewellKLMBoeing747
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:59 pm

747classic wrote:
@ factsonly

To put the 747combi history in the correct context :

The side cargo door option was designed and certified at a cost of $15 million in 1973/1974 and installed (modification) at two Sabena 747-100's during spring 1974. (L/N92 & 95)

The first factory built 747 (the second 747-200F !) with the optional side cargo door installed was L/N 242 for Seabord World,

The first factory built 747-200 combi with the side cargo door installed was L/N 250 a 747-233B(combi) for Air Canada

L/N 262, 263 and 264, all three 747-2B4Bcombi's for MEA were the second, third and fourth factory built combi's.

L/N 271, KLM 's first 747combi was the fifth factory built combi.


747classis, sorry to hijack the post. What is the MTOW for the original 747 PH-BUA-G? Is it fitted with a number 5 wing? I believe KAL also chose the quasi combi option, carry cargo with containers, any photos of it in service? Do 744 also have this option?
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:01 am

Is KL686|25MAR, operated by PH-BFL the last KLM B747-400 pax flight?
 
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Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:33 am

I caught PH-BFS departing LAX today as the final 747-operated KL602.

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Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:50 am

FYG22X (It says PH-BFC) coming back from JNB was flying over France at 45,000ft a bit ago.

KL602 is over England almost home.
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:18 am

KLM735 (PH-BFY) and KLM713 (PH-BFN) are outbound from AMS this morning, so how many more days of operation do the passenger 747’s have?
 
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:30 pm

It looks like the last commercial arrivals are this Sunday;

PH-BFL KL736 from Curacao, arriving at 08:07
PH-BFY KL714 from Paramaribo, arriving at 08:57
PH-BFT KL686 from Mexico, arriving at 15:12.

Looks like KL686 from Mexico will be the last ever commercial KLM 747 flight.
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:03 pm

Iemand91 wrote:
It looks like the last commercial arrivals are this Sunday;

PH-BFL KL736 from Curacao, arriving at 08:07
PH-BFY KL714 from Paramaribo, arriving at 08:57
PH-BFT KL686 from Mexico, arriving at 15:12.

Looks like KL686 from Mexico will be the last ever commercial KLM 747 flight.


Damn, I was hoping for Curacao to get their new livery, now we're getting their old livery as the last 747 livery :(

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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:38 pm

KL pilots are having fun with the old birds in their final days. Anyone in AMS, enjoy the show
https://www.facebook.com/groups/Farewel ... 642741169/
 
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:58 pm

Iemand91 wrote:
It looks like the last commercial arrivals are this Sunday;

PH-BFL KL736 from Curacao, arriving at 08:07
PH-BFY KL714 from Paramaribo, arriving at 08:57
PH-BFT KL686 from Mexico, arriving at 15:12.

Looks like KL686 from Mexico will be the last ever commercial KLM 747 flight.

Looks like its going to be BFW for the mex flight
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:06 pm

Its last arrival can be followed live here.
Die wordt live uitgezonden op het YouTube-kanaal NH Airtime. Naar verwachting komt het toestel rond 15 uur aan, maar dat kan nog veranderen.

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Expected arrival 1500 dutch time. YouTube channel of NH Airtime. Arrival will be broadcasted live.
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:42 pm

Sunday afternoon (local time / Amsterdam) the last KL 747 passenger will arrive at AMS airport.
It will be live on youtube :

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBZWab ... EJNIHP7vew

Source in dutch :
https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/ ... m=facebook
 
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:01 pm

Im Happy i had the chance to Fly this Beauty before phasing out ! Farewell B747-400M

https://www.airliners.net/photo/KLM-Roy ... /5930597/L ( Cockpit shot from my Recent Flight )
 
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:07 am

The final day has come, the last ever KLM 747 pax are coming home, MEX being the last one.
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:42 am

Flanker7 wrote:
The final day has come, the last ever KLM 747 pax are coming home, MEX being the last one.

Not quite, today is the last day with outbound flights. Tomorrow will be the last day with inbounds.
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:45 am

petertenthije wrote:
Flanker7 wrote:
The final day has come, the last ever KLM 747 pax are coming home, MEX being the last one.

Not quite, today is the last day with outbound flights. Tomorrow will be the last day with inbounds.



:hissyfit: Noooooooooooooooo! This can't be happening! :weeping: :cry2:
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:47 am

petertenthije wrote:
Flanker7 wrote:
The final day has come, the last ever KLM 747 pax are coming home, MEX being the last one.

Not quite, today is the last day with outbound flights. Tomorrow will be the last day with inbounds.

You are quite right, with corona and recovering from surgery I've literally lost track of time.
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:05 am

Flanker7 wrote:
Iemand91 wrote:
It looks like the last commercial arrivals are this Sunday;

PH-BFL KL736 from Curacao, arriving at 08:07
PH-BFY KL714 from Paramaribo, arriving at 08:57
PH-BFT KL686 from Mexico, arriving at 15:12.

Looks like KL686 from Mexico will be the last ever commercial KLM 747 flight.

Looks like its going to be BFW for the mex flight


BFW is over Quebec right now, presumably her last commercial flight. BFT is still announced for MEX but of course we won't know until they're at the gate.
 
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:07 am

Flanker7 wrote:
petertenthije wrote:
Flanker7 wrote:
The final day has come, the last ever KLM 747 pax are coming home, MEX being the last one.

Not quite, today is the last day with outbound flights. Tomorrow will be the last day with inbounds.

You are quite right, with corona and recovering from surgery I've literally lost track of time.


You too? I can finally walk after 6 months and they shut the world down. grumble grumble.

Can't believe we'll be living in a world without the KLM Queen. I don't wanna. So many aircraft I would have made an effort to go say goodbye to over the next year or two.
 
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:04 am

SwissCanuck wrote:
Flanker7 wrote:
petertenthije wrote:
Not quite, today is the last day with outbound flights. Tomorrow will be the last day with inbounds.

You are quite right, with corona and recovering from surgery I've literally lost track of time.


You too? I can finally walk after 6 months and they shut the world down. grumble grumble.

Can't believe we'll be living in a world without the KLM Queen. I don't wanna. So many aircraft I would have made an effort to go say goodbye to over the next year or two.

Yes had to have knee replaced and then corona appeared. Groundhog day over and over again. You lose track of everything. It's sad indeed, wanted to make one last trip on the queen but that's out of the question now. But have lots of good memories so they will have to do.
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:20 am

Why does this 747 flight have two different flight numbers?
KL735 / KL129 AMS - CUR

See: https://imgur.com/tn4o6vj or live: https://www.flightradar24.com/KLM129/24496fe5

I've been wondering this for a very long time. Sometimes you see flightnumbers with letters in them too like KL17M = KL1701 from AMS - MAD. But some flights have the same flight number twice, like this one: KL569 to JRO
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:10 pm

received this from a friend, a former Garuda Steward from the 1950s: Many years ago I was on board a KLM 747 flying from Schiphol to Idlewild. On the route information sheet that was passed on through the cabin I noticed the captain's name, Jan Den Hollander. Garuda in my years was run by KLM personnel and I knew him as a fun captain. I asked the stewardess to give him my regards. When all cabin activities were done and the lights were turned down the stew asked me to come to the cockpit and meet the captain. I was surprised that the cockpit was lighted with all lights blazing, but anyhow we had a good time reminiscing a bit.
 
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:45 pm

PANAMsterdam wrote:
Why does this 747 flight have two different flight numbers?
KL735 / KL129 AMS - CUR


KL735 is the flight number, KL129 is the call sign that's used communicating with ATC.
Main purpose is to avoid similar sounding call signs in the same control area. For example, for many Years KL601 to LAX and KL605 to SFO departed around the same time. KL605 uses call sign KL281 to avoid confusion with KL601.
 
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:48 pm

KL735 PH-BFY to Curacao and KL713 PH-BFL to Paramaribo have left.
KL685 PH-BFT to Mexico is at the gate and scheduled to leave in about an hour.
It will be the last ever regular KLM 747 flight out of Amsterdam, 49 years and 1,5 month after the very first KLM 747 flight to New York on February 15, 1971.

Looks like it's an emotional rollercoaster at Schiphol and KLM. Since the announcement of the accelerated retirement of the 747 2 weeks ago it's been a weird situation.
Almost every 747 flight is the final flight for the crew, many takeoffs and landings have been graced with a nice wingroll salute, crew have been writing their goodbyes at various parts of the 747's cabins and several arrivals at Schiphol have made a low-pass flypast around the Schiphol ATC tower before landing at Amsterdam for the final time.

Many have worked years or sometimes even decades on the 747 and now within about 26 hours it's all over after nearly 50 years.
Quietly on an almost deserted home base airport. No farewell flights (not that that was going to happen anyway, even if Corona wasn't a thing), no goodbye parties.
Not what she deserved after being the backbone of KLM (fleet) for almost 50 years, half of KLM's existence...
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:38 pm

Last outbound KLM 747 flight has left the gate: https://www.flightradar24.com/KLM685/24499e42
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:45 pm

inkjet7 wrote:
PANAMsterdam wrote:
Why does this 747 flight have two different flight numbers?
KL735 / KL129 AMS - CUR


KL735 is the flight number, KL129 is the call sign that's used communicating with ATC.
Main purpose is to avoid similar sounding call signs in the same control area. For example, for many Years KL601 to LAX and KL605 to SFO departed around the same time. KL605 uses call sign KL281 to avoid confusion with KL601.

Weird, but thanks for the explanation!


PH-BFW is 20 minutes away from AMS for her final touch down! :cry:

edit: woohoo! KL686 does a flyover while KL685 takes off! :cloudnine:
https://imgur.com/q1HKPZH
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:37 pm

Does anyone have the updated hours of the KLM 747s that are being retired today/tomorrow? I have to imagine that being younger they are in the 120,000-135,000 range.
 
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:51 pm

filbrkz wrote:
received this from a friend, a former Garuda Steward from the 1950s: Many years ago I was on board a KLM 747 flying from Schiphol to Idlewild.


Sorry, but New York's Idlewild airport was renamed John F. Kennedy Airport in 1963, in tribute to the 35th President of the United States.

KLM commenced B747-200B operations AMS-JFK in February 1971 !!

Your friend must have flown a KLM DC8 or possibly a Lockheed Constellation if his flight touched down at Idlewild.
 
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:56 pm

factsonly wrote:
filbrkz wrote:
received this from a friend, a former Garuda Steward from the 1950s: Many years ago I was on board a KLM 747 flying from Schiphol to Idlewild.


Sorry, but New York's Idlewild airport was renamed John F. Kennedy Airport in 1963, in tribute to the 35th President of the United States.

KLM commenced B747-200B operations AMS-JFK in February 1971 !!

Your friend must have flown a KLM DC8 or possibly a Lockheed Constellation if his flight touched down at Idlewild.


Careful not to outsmart yourself - people don't always switch immediately to using the new official name when it's changed. Heck, on another message board I've posted on there's a guy who refuses to call DCA anything but Washington National - simply because he hates Ronald Reagan so much...
 
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:56 pm

Airlineroute lists the KLM schedule for April 2020:

- Amsterdam – Curacao 2 weekly 787-9 (747-400 tentatively listed on 08APR20)

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-28mar20/
 
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KLM Retires 747 - Final Nail in the Coffin Thread

Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:27 pm

Coronovirus is the final nail on the coffin......

https://simpleflying.com/klm-boeing-747-retirement-2/
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:49 pm

factsonly wrote:
Airlineroute lists the KLM schedule for April 2020:

- Amsterdam – Curacao 2 weekly 787-9 (747-400 tentatively listed on 08APR20)

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-28mar20/


The April 8 flight doesn't seem to be available for booking.
 
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:51 pm

Do KLM plan on doing a flyover Amsterdam for the final flights? As I mentioned in the Delta MD thread:

I know in business there isn't any place of sentiment, but it would be nice if they could hold onto 1 plane to do at least some sort of small send off when things calm down.
 
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:55 pm

Breathe wrote:
Do KLM plan on doing a flyover Amsterdam for the final flights? As I mentioned in the Delta MD thread:

I know in business there isn't any place of sentiment, but it would be nice if they could hold onto 1 plane to do at least some sort of small send off when things calm down.


Apparently they did.

PANAMsterdam wrote:

edit: woohoo! KL686 does a flyover while KL685 takes off! :cloudnine:
https://imgur.com/q1HKPZH
 
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:58 am

She is on her final leg: PH-BFT / City of Tokyo, almost ready to start the trans Atlanic crossing, above New Foundland at the time of writing. She will touch down at 3:20PM CET. And then it is done, 49 years of 747 service by KLM, almost half of the KLM life.

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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:59 am

With the winds from the northeast it appears today’s final landing will be on runway 06. Broadcast on the RTV-NoordHolland livestream and linked by Luchtvaartnieuws.nl as well.

ETA for KL686 is now 15:29 local time, parking at E19.

https://www.nhnieuws.nl/tv
Last edited by 76er on Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:09 am, edited 3 times in total.
 
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:00 am

Breathe wrote:
Do KLM plan on doing a flyover Amsterdam for the final flights? As I mentioned in the Delta MD thread:

I know in business there isn't any place of sentiment, but it would be nice if they could hold onto 1 plane to do at least some sort of small send off when things calm down.


Would be nice to do a flypast above the Netherlands, but then again KLM might not want to spend the money for that at the moment, even though it is only a small amount given the whole KLM operations.
Many happy landings, greetings from The Netherlands!

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