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Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:27 pm
by Iemand91
boeing767300 wrote:
Has a retirement date been set for PH-BFC?

Early December this year. Pretty much 1-2 weeks left.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:00 pm
by Iemand91
After several delays (due to weather) PH-BFR "Rio de Janeiro" goes in to her final night at home at Schiphol Airport.
(She was scheduled to go on Monday 27 November)
Tomorrow she will be flown to Enschede Airport Twente; she will depart Schiphol at 12.15 local time and wil arrive at 12:55 local time.

The former KLM aircraft PH-BFR will make its last flight on the 6th of December to Twente Airport. The flight of the Boeing 747-400 will be executed by KLM on behalf of the new owner, APOC Aviation. The aircraft will be disassembled by AELS according to the highest environmental standards. Bad weather might cause the flight to be delayed or rescheduled.
The arrival of the aircraft can be seen from the spotters hill next to the airfield. Please only make use of the designated areas, there is a nature reserve around the airport that needs to be protected. It’s not possible to be on the airport when the aircraft arrives, also not for the media. Visiting the aircraft after arrival and during the disassembly is also not possible.
We ask everybody to send their best picture to [email protected]. The best picture we will reward again with a cut out aircraft window.

Details:
Flight number: KL9879
Route: EHAM-EHTW
ATC Call sign: KLM747
Model: Boeing 747-400
Registration: PH-BFR
MSN: 27202
Aircraft Name: Rio de Janeiro
Age: 23 years, 11 months
ETD EHAM 11:15Z (12.15 local)
ETA EHTW 11:55Z (12:55 local)

http://aels.nl/news/747-400-ph-bfr-update

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PH-BFR B747-400 KLM no tit 28-11-17 eham by Maarten Visser, on Flickr
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Source: ErwinS Photography

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:30 pm
by Iemand91
She's gone...

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About 27 minutes later:

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Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:33 pm
by notaxonrotax
How sad, I sat on "Rio de Janeiro"´s top deck only a few months ago.
Thanks for the pics.

I happened to pass by Teruel today:

https://ibb.co/kuynzb



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Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:21 pm
by PW100
Some interesting runway traffic (besides the 747) at Twente Airport:

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Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:22 pm
by ramsesp
It seems that PH-BFY ist returning from service in Jakarta today. The next 747Combi in new CS ?

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:19 pm
by Iemand91
ramsesp wrote:
It seems that PH-BFY ist returning from service in Jakarta today. The next 747Combi in new CS ?

Yes, she's the last KLM 747 full-pax (she used to be a combi, years ago she was reconfigured to full-pax) with the new livery:

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I don't like KLM's new livery but it's sad this is the last 747 to get a fresh paintjob...

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:56 pm
by Iemand91
I can't edit previous post (wish I could); so here are the high(er) resolution versions of the photos:

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Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:00 am
by Iemand91
Well, there's a chance a full KLM 747-400 will stay in the Netherlands.

There's construction going on in the old Sony and AirHolland buildings in Amsterdam, it will become the Corendon Village Hotel and with 677 rooms it will become the biggest hotel in the Benelux.
And apparently they're talking with KLM about placing an entire KLM 747-400 on the hotel grounds. It will be used as a museum, but it's not yet decided what kind of museum.
The plan is to place the aircraft there in 2018.

They've already placed a Boeing 737 cockpit in another hotel; the Corendon Vitality Hotel Amsterdam in 2014.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:21 pm
by Iemand91
Looks like PH-BFF City of Freetown is making her final rotation.
She's currently on her way as KL888 to Hong Kong. She will return home Monday evening.
At this moment, that seems to be her last landing at Schiphol.

It is said she will join her sistership -BFR at Twente Airport late January.


Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:42 am
by 747classic
It seems that PH-BFF is the current 747 recordholder : 2017-12-25 : 140.213 hours, but no info received about PH-BFC (probably slightly more).
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Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:14 am
by hz747300
My guess is here in Honkers we will start to see the 77W, but I hope we get the cool one with orange & blue.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:17 pm
by na
747classic wrote:
It seems that PH-BFF is the current 747 recordholder : 2017-12-25 : 140.213 hours, but no info received about PH-BFC (probably slightly more).
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Surely impressive. This is probably, very likely the highest flight hour record of any airplane ever so far.
And yes, PH-BFC, being half a year older, will even have a higher record (passed 135.000 in 2016, and at average a KLM 744 does a bit more than 5.000 hours a year).

Do you have the numbers for -BFR? Should be close to 120.000 then.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:48 pm
by Iemand91
747classic wrote:
It seems that PH-BFF is the current 747 recordholder : 2017-12-25 : 140.213 hours, but no info received about PH-BFC (probably slightly more).
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I have that same number for -BFC and the same source stated 140.929 hours for -BFC.

na wrote:
747classic wrote:
It seems that PH-BFF is the current 747 recordholder : 2017-12-25 : 140.213 hours, but no info received about PH-BFC (probably slightly more).
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Surely impressive. This is probably, very likely the highest flight hour record of any airplane ever so far.

-BFD took the record over from -BUH and -BUI and now at least 2 aircraft (-BFC and -BFF) have taken over.

Do you have the numbers for -BFR? Should be close to 120.000 then.

At least 124.000 flying hours and 14.000 cycles. At least, that's the number I have in my documents...

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:29 pm
by seabosdca
Iemand91 wrote:
I have that same number for -BFC and the same source stated 140.929 hours for -BFC.


:faint:

Once whichever KLM 744 ends up with the record is retired, I think it will stand for a very long time. No other 747-400 or 767 (Delta is going to retire its 767s before 130,000 hours) is likely to approach it, and newer types are likely to be retired sooner. We will have to wait until the 2040s to learn if some airline will keep a CFRP 787 or A350 in service for an exceptionally long time and challenge the record.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:41 pm
by ojjunior
Iemand91 wrote:
Recent picture of Teruel, Spain. (Source: https://twitter.com/aeropuerteruel/stat ... 5755152384)

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The wings of PH-BFO are being chopped up. So she'll be gone soon I guess :cry: ...


Sad... Have a feeling with BFO. Was the very 1st 747 i've been on as an airport worker on a "guided visit" with a KL fellow worker at GRU back in 90s.
Also Orlando is my name so BFO was my desktop for years.
Time goes by...

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:43 pm
by Iemand91
seabosdca wrote:
Iemand91 wrote:
I have that same number for -BFC and the same source stated 140.929 hours for -BFC.


:faint:

Oops, I meant to say: "I have that same number for -BFF and the same source stated 140.929 hours for -BFC."
I wish I could change it, but this forum won't allow me to edit the post...

So at the moment; -BFC is likely the current record holder.

Once whichever KLM 744 ends up with the record is retired, I think it will stand for a very long time. No other 747-400 or 767 (Delta is going to retire its 767s before 130,000 hours) is likely to approach it, and newer types are likely to be retired sooner. We will have to wait until the 2040s to learn if some airline will keep a CFRP 787 or A350 in service for an exceptionally long time and challenge the record.

I agree. I don't see the 787/A350's etc. that come of the production line these days to reach those numbers, let alone age.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:10 pm
by 747classic
Aircraft data of phased out KLM 744 aircraft

PH-BFA 125.836 / 16.881 , average stage length 7,45 hours
PH-BFD 137.735 / 16.761 average stage length 8,22
PH-BFE 137.069 / 16.493 average stage length 8,31
PH-BFF 140.213 / ??.???
PH-BFK 129.511 / 15419 average stage length 8,40
PH-BFM 123.221 / 14596 average stage length 8,44
PH-BFO 120.665 / 14126 average stage length 8,54
PH-BFP 120.457 / 14004 average stage length 8,60
PH-BFR 124.375 / 14421 average stage length 8,62

PH-BFC > 141.000, recordholder, still active..

KLM 744 network
Prelimary Conclusion :
- average stage length increases slightly during timeframe of first delivered and last delivered aircraft (1989-2002).
- Combi aircraft are operating at routes with larger stage lengths
- Pax aircraft (eg. PH-BFA) are operating at average shorter stretches.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:38 pm
by na
747classic wrote:
Aircraft data of phased out KLM 744 aircraft

PH-BFA 125.836 / 16.881 , average stage length 7,45 hours
PH-BFD 137.735 / 16.761 average stage length 8,22
PH-BFE 137.069 / 16.493 average stage length 8,31
PH-BFF 140.213 / ??.???
PH-BFK 129.511 / 15419 average stage length 8,40
PH-BFM 123.221 / 14596 average stage length 8,44
PH-BFO 120.665 / 14126 average stage length 8,54
PH-BFP 120.457 / 14004 average stage length 8,60
PH-BFR 124.375 / 14421 average stage length 8,62

PH-BFC > 141.000, recordholder, still active..

KLM 744 network
Prelimary Conclusion :
- average stage length increases slightly during timeframe of first delivered and last delivered aircraft (1989-2002).
- Combi aircraft are operating at routes with larger stage lengths
- Pax aircraft (eg. PH-BFA) are operating at average shorter stretches.


Thanks a lot!
I hope -BFC could be preserved somewhere, maybe by Boeing next to the 747-prototype (or exchanged with the old KLM 747 at Lelystad). Its record is surely of some significance, at least worth more than any single route record.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:32 pm
by 747classic
na wrote:
Thanks a lot!
I hope -BFC could be preserved somewhere, maybe by Boeing next to the 747-prototype (or exchanged with the old KLM 747 at Lelystad). Its record is surely of some significance, at least worth more than any single route record.


Pls. no exchange with my "old office " PH-BUK at Lelystad, I want to show Grandpa's former working place to my future grandchild(ren). :lol:

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:48 am
by notaxonrotax
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Teruel, a few weeks ago......


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Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:44 am
by bennett123
Do you know which B747-400 we are looking at?.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:27 pm
by Iemand91
Looks like -BFO to me. And -BFA or -BFP visible on the right. (I'm not quite sure yet). I think it's -BFA.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:34 pm
by boeing767300
Is there anything in the cabin of the 747 that shows the city name of the aircraft? If so is it visible to all passengers as I may have an opportunity to travel soon. If I do go I would like to photograph the name as a souvenir of my trip. Any information would be appreciated.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:40 pm
by petertenthije
boeing767300 wrote:
Is there anything in the cabin of the 747 that shows the city name of the aircraft? If so is it visible to all passengers as I may have an opportunity to travel soon. If I do go I would like to photograph the name as a souvenir of my trip. Any information would be appreciated.

I don't think so, but at Schiphol it should be no problem to get a photo of you with the 747 at the gate.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:38 pm
by Iemand91
boeing767300 wrote:
Is there anything in the cabin of the 747 that shows the city name of the aircraft? If so is it visible to all passengers as I may have an opportunity to travel soon. If I do go I would like to photograph the name as a souvenir of my trip. Any information would be appreciated.

If you happen to travel on PH-BFB; there's this plaque next to the stairs to the upper deck:

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Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:10 am
by notaxonrotax
bennett123 wrote:
Do you know which B747-400 we are looking at?.


I am pretty sure it was the City of Atlanta!


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Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:46 am
by FB330
I'm pretty certain that there are notifications over the main doors of the registration number (and possibly city). So, if you wander up towards the galleys during the flight, I'm sure you'll spot these on at least the left hand side. Someone correct me if I'm wrong....

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:43 pm
by boeing767300
I noticed that PH-BFC is still operating and she is en route AMS-ORD today as the KL611. Fantastic to see her soldiering on and wondering how much time has she got left? Meanwhile thank you for posts regarding city name location inside the KLM 747 aircraft.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:46 pm
by Iemand91
boeing767300 wrote:
I noticed that PH-BFC is still operating and she is en route AMS-ORD today as the KL611. Fantastic to see her soldiering on and wondering how much time has she got left? Meanwhile thank you for posts regarding city name location inside the KLM 747 aircraft.

She's scheduled to leave the fleet in a month.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:43 pm
by Iemand91
Her final flight has been postponed a couple of times, but now it's really over.
PH-BFF City of Freetown spends her final night at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport.

Scheduled departure time tomorrow is 11:30, arrival at Twente 12:25, but could end up a bit earlier.
There she'll join her sister PH-BFR and the 2 AF A340-300's.

Resting at Schiphol-Oost today:

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Source: Peter Agema @ Facebook‎

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:48 pm
by Iemand91
Again delayed today, but she's on the move now: https://www.flightradar24.com/KLM747/103b11a4

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Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:36 pm
by Aircellist
So, how many hours at the last count?

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:40 am
by af773atmsp
I'm thinking of booking AMS-ORD for late September, but I want to know my probability that it'll be a 747. On the KL website flight 611 is shown as a 747, but I don't want to get screwed over with an equipment change.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:09 pm
by Iemand91
Aircellist wrote:
So, how many hours at the last count?

Looks like she clocked a total of 140.213 flying hours.
That's an average of 13.7 hours per day since the day she was delivered to KLM.

So she surpassed the previous record holder PH-BFD that had 137.735 hours, but -BFF is not the current record holder; -BFC has a couple of hundred more flying hours and is still flying for KLM.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:57 pm
by Aircellist
Nevertheless, worthy of being mentioned, I believe. Thank you very much :)

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:06 pm
by Squidculture
Iemand91 wrote:
boeing767300 wrote:
I noticed that PH-BFC is still operating and she is en route AMS-ORD today as the KL611. Fantastic to see her soldiering on and wondering how much time has she got left? Meanwhile thank you for posts regarding city name location inside the KLM 747 aircraft.

She's scheduled to leave the fleet in a month.


Hello I have read this entire thread and have found it really fascinating and you take some great pictures. Do you have an exact date of when they think PH-BFC will be retired? I’m travelling AMS - HKG next month and have noticed that in the last week kl887 has been cancelled twice when PH-BFC was due to fly it.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:41 pm
by Iemand91
Squidculture wrote:
Iemand91 wrote:
boeing767300 wrote:
I noticed that PH-BFC is still operating and she is en route AMS-ORD today as the KL611. Fantastic to see her soldiering on and wondering how much time has she got left? Meanwhile thank you for posts regarding city name location inside the KLM 747 aircraft.

She's scheduled to leave the fleet in a month.


Hello I have read this entire thread and have found it really fascinating and you take some great pictures. Do you have an exact date of when they think PH-BFC will be retired? I’m travelling AMS - HKG next month and have noticed that in the last week kl887 has been cancelled twice when PH-BFC was due to fly it.

I have February 18 as the retirement date of -BFC. But this could change.
The previous Queens had several dates mentioned, sometime earliers, sometimes later than the actual retirement date.

Also, none of the photos are mine, I just found them online.
Because I (unfortunately) don't live close to Amsterdam Schiphol Airport I have only a few photo's to post here...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/iemand91/

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:04 pm
by notaxonrotax
On the 26th of this month one of the few remaining ladies visited Rotterdam/The Hague for a mere 1,5 hours......2.200 meters of runway is no issue when you arrive from the Antilles.

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Customs and immigration were eventually completed at Schiphol!


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Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:07 am
by EPA001
notaxonrotax wrote:
On the 26th of this month one of the few remaining ladies visited Rotterdam/The Hague for a mere 1,5 hours......2.200 meters of runway is no issue when you arrive from the Antilles.

Customs and immigration were eventually completed at Schiphol!

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It was very nice to see the diverted aircraft at RTM-THA Airport. I especially went there to see it. The B747 can land and take-off from the 2,200 meter runway, but of course with low fuel on board. The B787 and the Swiss A320 were also nice to see. With the phasing out of the B747 this might have been the last time that we have welcomed a KLM B747 at this airport.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:40 am
by Squidculture
Iemand91 wrote:
Squidculture wrote:
Iemand91 wrote:
She's scheduled to leave the fleet in a month.


Hello I have read this entire thread and have found it really fascinating and you take some great pictures. Do you have an exact date of when they think PH-BFC will be retired? I’m travelling AMS - HKG next month and have noticed that in the last week kl887 has been cancelled twice when PH-BFC was due to fly it.

I have February 18 as the retirement date of -BFC. But this could change.
The previous Queens had several dates mentioned, sometime earliers, sometimes later than the actual retirement date.

Also, none of the photos are mine, I just found them online.
Because I (unfortunately) don't live close to Amsterdam Schiphol Airport I have only a few photo's to post here...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/iemand91/


Ahhh right I see, I'm flying on the 15th so never know may get the chance to be on one of her last commercial flights. I'm a mix of emotions about that prospect, would be an honor but also a strange concept to get my head around. I browsed through your flickr account they are some awesome photos :bigthumbsup:

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:55 am
by 747classic
Returned yesterday from CUR with a KLM all pax 744, registration PH-BFN , probably my last flight to CUR with the 744, because sadly CUR (KL735/736) is scheduled to be operated with the 777-306ER starting winterschedule 2018/2019, after phase out-out of PH-BFB in Nov 2018.

Most recent KLM 744 phase-out schedule (subject to change) :

PH-BFC 7 Mar-18
PH-BFB Nov-18
PH-BFU Dec-18
PH-BFG Nov-19
PH-BFH Mar-20
PH-BFI May-20
PH-BFS Jun-20
PH-BFT Oct-20
PH-BFL Nov-20
PH-BFV Mar-21
PH-BFN Apr-21
PH-BFW Apr-21
PH-BFY Jun-21

Source : Scrammble- Praethuis - KLM (Dutch ).

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:58 pm
by A388
Is it definitive that KL will start sending the 77W to CUR this winter season already? PH-BFY and PH-BFN are scheduled for phase out all the way in 2021 and these two 747's fly to CUR a lot as they are configured as full pax aircraft. Why would KL stop sending these two 747's to CUR so soon? Or will the coming winter schedule be a mix of 744 and 77W aircraft?

A388

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:28 pm
by Iemand91
Yes, as 747classic has stated, from October 28 the flights to Curaçao will be flown with the 777-300ER.
As for why? Who knows. As you can see -BFB will be phased out in November and that's a full-pax 747. Maybe they need the Curaçao 747's for a different route?

Also, another staple KLM 747 destination is also going to end. Starting March 25, the Amsterdam - Houston route will be flown with the 787-9 instead of a mix of 747 and 777.

The KLM 747 fleet is now really starting to thin out...

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:41 pm
by FrancisBegbie
Iemand91 wrote:
Yes, as 747classic has stated, from October 28 the flights to Curacao will be flown with the 777-300ER.
As for why? Who knows. As you can see -BFB will be phased out in November and that's a full-pax 747. Maybe they need the Curacao 747's for a different route?

Also, another staple KLM 747 destination is also going to end. Starting March 25, the Amsterdam - Houston route will be flown with the 787-9 instead of a mix of 747 and 777.

The KLM 747 fleet is now really starting to thin out...


Isn't CUR by now (together with LAX?) the furthest destination for full pax 744s at KL? Could be something simple like fuel-burn difference between the 77W and the 744 driving KL to keep the 744s closer to home. JFK, Nairobi, what destinations do the 744s see nowadays? Alternatively, CUR being an island, the additional cargo capacity from the 77W may be lucrative (even more if Venezuela continues their embargo of the ABC islands)...

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:04 pm
by Iemand91
FrancisBegbie wrote:
Iemand91 wrote:
Yes, as 747classic has stated, from October 28 the flights to Curacao will be flown with the 777-300ER.
As for why? Who knows. As you can see -BFB will be phased out in November and that's a full-pax 747. Maybe they need the Curacao 747's for a different route?

Also, another staple KLM 747 destination is also going to end. Starting March 25, the Amsterdam - Houston route will be flown with the 787-9 instead of a mix of 747 and 777.

The KLM 747 fleet is now really starting to thin out...


Isn't CUR by now (together with LAX?) the furthest destination for full pax 744s at KL? Could be something simple like fuel-burn difference between the 77W and the 744 driving KL to keep the 744s closer to home. JFK, Nairobi, what destinations do the 744s see nowadays? Alternatively, CUR being an island, the additional cargo capacity from the 77W may be lucrative (even more if Venezuela continues their embargo of the ABC islands)...

These are the destinations KLM flies the 747 to:
(correct me if I'm wrong)

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The longest flight is Amsterdam - Hong Kong with 9,291 km, the shortest flight is Amsterdam - New York JFK with 5,864 km.
From longest distance to shortest; it's Hong Kong, Mexico, Los Angeles, Seoul, Houston, Curaçao, Paramaribo, Nairobi, Chicago, Delhi, Toronto and New York JFK.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:22 pm
by 747classic
A388 wrote:
Is it definitive that KL will start sending the 77W to CUR this winter season already? PH-BFY and PH-BFN are scheduled for phase out all the way in 2021 and these two 747's fly to CUR a lot as they are configured as full pax aircraft. Why would KL stop sending these two 747's to CUR so soon? Or will the coming winter schedule be a mix of 744 and 77W aircraft?

A388


I was already searching at the KLM site for my next winter holiday to AMS-PBM-CUR-AMS, starting in JAN 2019.
PBM is still scheduled to be operated by 747 next winter schedule, CUR will be operated by A333 (KL733/734) and B773 (KL735/736) daily. But as always subject to change.

N.B. During the return flight I had a chat with the 747 technical pilot about several 744 subjects. He informed me that probably the last flights (2021) operated by KLM 744's will be flown from/to the high altitude destinations (MEX and NBO), because of the superior performance (4 engines) out of these airports, compared to a twin.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:07 pm
by FrancisBegbie
Iemand91 wrote:

The longest flight is Amsterdam - Hong Kong with 9,291 km, the shortest flight is Amsterdam - New York JFK with 5,864 km.
From longest distance to shortest; it's Hong Kong, Mexico, Los Angeles, Seoul, Houston, Curaçao, Paramaribo, Nairobi, Chicago, Delhi, Toronto and New York JFK.


Awesome, thanks for putting that together, Iemand.

So indeed, interesting to see they are using the 744s to their strength. Hot-and-high destinations where they beat the 77W, Combi's at freight heavy destinations (HK, Seoul, Houston; not sure why Chicago) and over time, the full-pax birds closer and closer to home (at least compared to the 77W).

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:26 pm
by Flanker7
ORD and ICN will see a reduction in the 747 operation. Those stations Wil now receive both 777 and 747.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:43 am
by AWACSooner
Flew on "Lima" to YYZ two weeks ago up in 1K...LOVED that ride. Figured it might be one of my last rides on the Queen, unless I get lucky on LH.