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Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:46 pm
by KLM747er
After the PH-BFB ''City of Bangkok'' has been retired.
Kalitta's 747-400BCF N741CK will take over the role off oldest 747-400 in the world aging at 29.2 years.

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Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:43 pm
by BOEING777EK
It would be really cool if Corendon decided to convert PH-BFB to a hotel which im sure will attract many aviation enthusiasts for a visit and a sleepover for a night.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:19 am
by Iemand91
Last commercial takeoff at LAX:

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Source: https://twitter.com/AeronewsRO/status/1 ... 6703207424
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IMG_8651 by Michael Ing, on Flickr

And back at Amsterdam; being towed to the hangar in preparation for the last 2 flights:

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Source: https://www.facebook.com/groups/Farewel ... 554685153/

Meanwhile; PH-BFU is heading back to Amsterdam after maintenance at CKG: https://www.flightradar24.com/KLM9876/1eac4768

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:50 pm
by 747classic
Nice (updated) summary : :

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Original uploaded by Jamaal Hashi, see : https://www.facebook.com/groups/FarewellKLMBoeing747

Remark : PH-BFU was original scheduled for a December 2018 phase-out, however the aircraft is receiving some heavy maintenance (C-check or an extension check) at Jakarta (CGK) and is scheduled for a ferry flight back towards AMS today, see : https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ph-bfu

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:32 pm
by Dutchy
Correndon is asking for photographs of the PH-BFB - City of Bangkok. They will get used in the a/c to keep the memory alive. If you want to contribute, this is the link to upload your photograph.

For more information: source in Dutch.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:27 pm
by Iemand91
747classic wrote:
Nice (updated) summary : :

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Original uploaded by Jamaal Hashi, see : https://www.facebook.com/groups/FarewellKLMBoeing747

Just to correct some things; -BFO has also been scrapped (she's part of and -BFP is also mostly gone; i've seen images of her at Teruel's scrapping area with her wings chopped off.
So -BFP is probably gone by now too. Part's of -BFO has been used for ROC Hoofddorp and parts of -BFP have been used for Landstede in Zwolle.

The status of all other retired 747's is correct; but I can't really verify the current status of -BFE; It's very hard to gather information about that frame.

So all in all; at least 3 or 4 KLM 747-400's have been scrapped so far.

Remark : PH-BFU was original scheduled for a December 2018 phase-out, however the aircraft is receiving some heavy maintenance (C-check or an extension check) at Jakarta (CGK) and is scheduled for a ferry flight back towards AMS today, see : https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ph-bfu

She was almost back at AMS at the time of your post. ;)

Also; -BFT is now on her way to CGK for the same check: https://www.flightradar24.com/KLM9875/1eafc349

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:46 am
by notaxonrotax
masonite wrote:
I found this on AviationTag's website, for anyone interested. Luggage tags made out of PH-BFR.

https://www.aviationtag.com/en/produkt/phbfr01/

I have a few of their tags made from a Lufthansa 747 and I love them.


I ordered one, thanks!
I had to, after my nice trip on the upper deck last year.


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Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:47 am
by bennett123
Lemand91

I assume you mean at Teruel.

I have the following;

PH-BFM Teruel 2017
PH-BFA Teruel 2017
PH-BFO Teruel 2017
PH-BFP Teruel 2018

PH-BFE Melbourne 2017
PH-BFR Twente 2018

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:36 am
by na
JeremyB wrote:
According to an intern that wrote a blog for KLM, PH-BFB has logged 134.729 flight hours in 18.024 cycles. KLM also confirmed through facebook that she will be preserved at the Corenden Hotel next to Schiphol in February 2019.

Wasnt that the record back in 2016? Or is this the final record? If the latter, its quite strange. How can PH-BFC have 8.000 hours less (which equals 1,5 years record of flying) than agemate PH-BFC retired half a year ago and still less than PH-BFD retired almost two years ago?

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:27 am
by notaxonrotax
na wrote:
JeremyB wrote:
How can PH-BFC have 8.000 hours less (which equals 1,5 years record of flying) than agemate PH-BFC retired half a year ago?


How indeed?


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Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:12 pm
by IWMBH
na wrote:
JeremyB wrote:
According to an intern that wrote a blog for KLM, PH-BFB has logged 134.729 flight hours in 18.024 cycles. KLM also confirmed through facebook that she will be preserved at the Corenden Hotel next to Schiphol in February 2019.

Wasnt that the record back in 2016? Or is this the final record? If the latter, its quite strange. How can PH-BFC have 8.000 hours less (which equals 1,5 years record of flying) than agemate PH-BFC retired half a year ago and still less than PH-BFD retired almost two years ago?


PH-BFB is 747-400 while the others are a -400M's, so they where used differently.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:18 pm
by na
na wrote:
JeremyB wrote:
According to an intern that wrote a blog for KLM, PH-BFB has logged 134.729 flight hours in 18.024 cycles. KLM also confirmed through facebook that she will be preserved at the Corenden Hotel next to Schiphol in February 2019.

Wasnt that the record back in 2016? Or is this the final record? If the latter, its quite strange. How can PH-BFC have 8.000 hours less (which equals 1,5 years record of flying) than agemate PH-BFC retired half a year ago and still less than PH-BFD retired almost two years ago?


Typo. Of course I meant "How can PH-BFB have 8.000 hours less...

IWMBH wrote:
PH-BFB is 747-400 while the others are a -400M's, so they where used differently.


That could be an explanation, yes. Though that would be quite surprising is this ends in such significantly different numbers within one fleet (ca. 10% less flying time over the same period of time).

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:34 pm
by factsonly
na wrote:
na wrote:
JeremyB wrote:
According to an intern that wrote a blog for KLM, PH-BFB has logged 134.729 flight hours in 18.024 cycles. KLM also confirmed through facebook that she will be preserved at the Corenden Hotel next to Schiphol in February 2019.

Wasnt that the record back in 2016? Or is this the final record? If the latter, its quite strange. How can PH-BFC have 8.000 hours less (which equals 1,5 years record of flying) than agemate PH-BFC retired half a year ago and still less than PH-BFD retired almost two years ago?


Typo. Of course I meant "How can PH-BFB have 8.000 hours less...

IWMBH wrote:
PH-BFB is 747-400 while the others are a -400M's, so they where used differently.


That could be an explanation, yes. Though that would be quite surprising is this ends in such significantly different numbers within one fleet (ca. 10% less flying time over the same period of time).


Logic suggests PH-BFB should be closer to 150.000 hours.

Quick and dirty conservative estimate = 29 years, 350 days, 15 hours/day = 152.250 hrs

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:36 pm
by 747classic
factsonly wrote:
na wrote:

Logic suggests PH-BFB should be closer to 150.000 hours.

Quick and dirty conservative estimate = 29 years, 350 days, 15 hours/day = 152.250 hrs


Approx 135.000 hrs would be correct for PH-BFB, because KLM 747-400 all pax aircraft are used on stretches with an average stage length of 7,4 -7,5 hrs. (North Atlantic and until 2016 multiple destination flights at CUR,BON, AUA and SXM)
Also the relative smaller size of the 747-400 all pax fleet caused less optimal (longer) turn around times at KLM's home station (AMS) than the larger 747-400 combi fleet.

Remember that PH-BFA was phased out in October 2016 at 125.836 flight hours / 16.881 cycles , average stage length 7,45 hours .

The two years longer operation of PH-BFB would add approx 10.000 hrs ( 5000 hrs/year)


KLM 747-400combi's were/are generally operated at longer stretches (FAR EAST Network), resulting in average stage lengths between 8,2 and 8,4.hours

PH-BFD 137.735 / 16.761 average stage length 8,22
PH-BFE 137.069 / 16.493 average stage length 8,31

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:43 pm
by FrancisBegbie
na wrote:
JeremyB wrote:
According to an intern that wrote a blog for KLM, PH-BFB has logged 134.729 flight hours in 18.024 cycles. KLM also confirmed through facebook that she will be preserved at the Corenden Hotel next to Schiphol in February 2019.

Wasnt that the record back in 2016? Or is this the final record? If the latter, its quite strange. How can PH-BFC have 8.000 hours less (which equals 1,5 years record of flying) than agemate PH-BFC retired half a year ago and still less than PH-BFD retired almost two years ago?


BFC flew through that ash cloud in Alaska in 1989/'90 and was out of service for a very long time afterwards.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:58 am
by aristoenigma
Thanks for posting beautiful pictures lemand91

Iemand91 wrote:
Last commercial takeoff at LAX:

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Source: https://twitter.com/AeronewsRO/status/1 ... 6703207424
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IMG_8651 by Michael Ing, on Flickr

And back at Amsterdam; being towed to the hangar in preparation for the last 2 flights:

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Source: https://www.facebook.com/groups/Farewel ... 554685153/

Meanwhile; PH-BFU is heading back to Amsterdam after maintenance at CKG: https://www.flightradar24.com/KLM9876/1eac4768

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:41 am
by notaxonrotax
"The City of Bangkok" now underway to Rome for painting....

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Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:00 pm
by beefstew25
Iemand91 wrote:
747classic wrote:
Nice (updated) summary : :

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Original uploaded by Jamaal Hashi, see : https://www.facebook.com/groups/FarewellKLMBoeing747

Just to correct some things; -BFO has also been scrapped (she's part of and -BFP is also mostly gone; i've seen images of her at Teruel's scrapping area with her wings chopped off.
So -BFP is probably gone by now too. Part's of -BFO has been used for ROC Hoofddorp and parts of -BFP have been used for Landstede in Zwolle.

The status of all other retired 747's is correct; but I can't really verify the current status of -BFE; It's very hard to gather information about that frame.

So all in all; at least 3 or 4 KLM 747-400's have been scrapped so far.

Remark : PH-BFU was original scheduled for a December 2018 phase-out, however the aircraft is receiving some heavy maintenance (C-check or an extension check) at Jakarta (CGK) and is scheduled for a ferry flight back towards AMS today, see : https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ph-bfu

She was almost back at AMS at the time of your post. ;)

Also; -BFT is now on her way to CGK for the same check: https://www.flightradar24.com/KLM9875/1eafc349


BFE is still intact at MLB. Northwest side.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:18 pm
by aristoenigma
Will PH-BFE be converted to some flying use by International Aerospace Group? Or does the cycle and hour count mean it can only be a parts source?

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:35 pm
by bennett123
Beefstew25

Are you saying that you know it is still there?.

The caption says it was there in the 1990’s.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:09 pm
by Iemand91
An update on PH-BFB "City of Bangkok"; she's being repainted in Corendon livery in Rome at the moment.
She's scheduled to make her final ever flight back to Amsterdam this Friday. Early Februari 2019 the operation to lift her from the airport to the nearby Corendon Hotel commences...

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Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:31 pm
by Iemand91
PH-BFB's last ever flight has started: https://www.flightradar24.com/KLM9872/1eddf1ad

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Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:27 pm
by 76er
Presently cruising over the Alps, touchdown one hour from now. Local TV station NH is supposedly showing the arrival live.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:16 pm
by Iemand91
76er wrote:
Presently cruising over the Alps, touchdown one hour from now. Local TV station NH is supposedly showing the arrival live.

Livestream here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5-IST2w67g

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:58 pm
by Dutchy
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And there she is, after her last flight. :-(

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:17 pm
by FB330
I assume it was KLM pilots who brought her home today?

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:31 pm
by notaxonrotax
FB330 wrote:
I assume it was KLM pilots who brought her home today?


I assume so, it had a KL flight number.


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Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:17 pm
by 747classic
PH-BFB, Overhead the alps on her return flight to AMS
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Taxi in at AMS.
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Copyright Roel Toering at Farewell KLM 747 blog at facebook.

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:50 pm
by Iemand91
Funny, 4 out of 5 of the top 5 of the last 24 hour on the frontpage is this very aircraft. :P

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:52 pm
by aristoenigma
aristoenigma wrote:
Will PH-BFE be converted to some flying use by International Aerospace Group? Or does the cycle and hour count mean it can only be a parts source?

Does International Aerospace Group have a plan for PH-BFE in their trading arm?

Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:45 pm
by Iemand91
Here are some links and screenshots of how the "City of Bangkok" is going to be transported to her final resting place:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGnN-APtkX4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jprJgmwllMU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY55aXw16QE

(I wish you could embed Youtube videos on this forum...)

A simulation from the called "Mammoet' who's going to transport the aircraft:
https://nhnews.vinsontv.com/media?id=18 ... ejhXkGNzLw

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Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:32 pm
by jimmy9irons
Are they carrying out any ground stabilisation before transporting the 747? What happens the engines - are they original or mock up?

Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:33 am
by Iemand91
Yesterday; PH-BFN operated KLM's first ever scheduled flight to Las Vegas. She then went on to Los Angeles and then back to Amsterdam.
About a 30 minutes ago; PH-BFH departed Amsterdam to do the same. These are flights specifically for the Consumer Electronics Show.
More about those flights here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1396693

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Source: https://twitter.com/daisuke_YH/status/1 ... 9204234241
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Source: https://twitter.com/jobertlommerse/stat ... 3119706112

Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:57 pm
by Iemand91
Today, PH-BFB was transferred from Aircraft End-of-Life Solutions (AELS) to Corendon and the registration has been cancelled in the registry.

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Source: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... ge=1&ifg=1

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:26 pm
by ramsesp
Iemand91 wrote:
Aircraft End-of-Life Solutions (AELS) is holding another auction, selling parts of PH-BFR (pictured in my post above) and bits of PH-BFF.


Here is another chance to own a part of PH-BFR: https://www.aviationtag.com/en/produkt/phbfr01/

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:16 pm
by beefstew25
bennett123 wrote:
Beefstew25

Are you saying that you know it is still there?.

The caption says it was there in the 1990’s.


It’s still there sans engines.

Embraer put up a security gate recently so I can’t get back there to take a pic.

Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:23 pm
by Iemand91
Today, hundreds of people were paying attention to their mailbox; a book about the KLM 747-classic aircraft was going to be delivered.
It's the 6th in a series; 2 books about the KLM MD-11, 2 about the Fokker and 1 about the Martinair MD-11.

It has plenty of information about the (KLM) 747-200 and -300 and lots of beautiful images and it all starts with a foreword of Jon Sutter, son of Joe Sutter; the "father of the 747".

The makers of the book shipped it out yesterday on January 11th; exactly 4 years after the very last KLM MD-11 (PH-KCD) left Dutch soil for good.

The KLM 747-classics were the last aircraft in KLM's fleet that had a flight engineer; so in a way of honoring them; the very first book was presented to two former KLM flight engineers in 1 of the 2 remaining KLM 747-classic aircraft; PH-BUK at the Aviodrome Aerospace museum in Lelystad.

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Source: https://www.facebook.com/groups/Farewel ... 938270114/

Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:55 pm
by A388
Hello everybody. The BA 747 BOAC retrojet is the talk of the day these days. What's the status of the rumor of KLM painting one of their 747's in a retro livery to celebrate their 100th anniversary this year? Will KL still do this?

A388

Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:08 pm
by na
Iemand91 wrote:
Yesterday; PH-BFN operated KLM's first ever scheduled flight to Las Vegas. She then went on to Los Angeles and then back to Amsterdam.
About a 30 minutes ago; PH-BFH departed Amsterdam to do the same. These are flights specifically for the Consumer Electronics Show.
More about those flights here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1396693

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Source: https://twitter.com/daisuke_YH/status/1 ... 9204234241
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Source: https://twitter.com/jobertlommerse/stat ... 3119706112


I photographed PH-BFN at LAX last week monday, unloading a Lamborghini Huracan in pouring rain!

Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:29 pm
by Iemand91
A388 wrote:
Hello everybody. The BA 747 BOAC retrojet is the talk of the day these days. What's the status of the rumor of KLM painting one of their 747's in a retro livery to celebrate their 100th anniversary this year? Will KL still do this?

A388

That's just something a lot of AVgeeks (including me) would love to see, but KLM has never said it had plans of doing so.
It wouldn't make much sense to paint a 747 that's going to leave the fleet within 2 years any way.
KLM had a 737 flying with retro colours (PH-BXA) for 10 years; it KLM wants to do something similar for their 100th anniversary it would make more sense to paint a 737 again; or a 777 or 787.

na wrote:
Iemand91 wrote:
Yesterday; PH-BFN operated KLM's first ever scheduled flight to Las Vegas. She then went on to Los Angeles and then back to Amsterdam.
About a 30 minutes ago; PH-BFH departed Amsterdam to do the same. These are flights specifically for the Consumer Electronics Show.
More about those flights here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1396693

I photographed PH-BFN at LAX last week monday, unloading a Lamborghini Huracan in pouring rain!

Yep, there's good money to be made that way and KLM is the only airlines still doing that (it's the only airline with 747-combi aircraft left).
That's going to be a real loss and it's sad to see how the main deck cargo capacity at AF/KLM has shrunk in the last couple of years...

Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:48 pm
by A388
You're right Iemand91. It does make more sense on a 777 or 787. I hope KL won't let this unique occasion pass by without celebrating it with a retrojet. Maybe one of their 787-10's will get a retro livery?

A388

Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:18 am
by Jag747400
Iemand91 wrote:
A388 wrote:
Hello everybody. The BA 747 BOAC retrojet is the talk of the day these days. What's the status of the rumor of KLM painting one of their 747's in a retro livery to celebrate their 100th anniversary this year? Will KL still do this?

A388

That's just something a lot of AVgeeks (including me) would love to see, but KLM has never said it had plans of doing so.
It wouldn't make much sense to paint a 747 that's going to leave the fleet within 2 years any way.
KLM had a 737 flying with retro colours (PH-BXA) for 10 years; it KLM wants to do something similar for their 100th anniversary it would make more sense to paint a 737 again; or a 777 or 787.

na wrote:
Iemand91 wrote:
Yesterday; PH-BFN operated KLM's first ever scheduled flight to Las Vegas. She then went on to Los Angeles and then back to Amsterdam.
About a 30 minutes ago; PH-BFH departed Amsterdam to do the same. These are flights specifically for the Consumer Electronics Show.
More about those flights here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1396693

I photographed PH-BFN at LAX last week monday, unloading a Lamborghini Huracan in pouring rain!

Yep, there's good money to be made that way and KLM is the only airlines still doing that (it's the only airline with 747-combi aircraft left).
That's going to be a real loss and it's sad to see how the main deck cargo capacity at AF/KLM has shrunk in the last couple of years...


KLM is definitely doing a special livery for their 100th. Some of KLM's last 747 planes wont be leaving until the same time as some of British Airways' Last Jumbos. I suspect KLM will apply a cheap decal instead of a whole repaint because I suspect all their 744's going into the 2020's have already been repainted with the revised cheatline. As a KLM lover, I'd love to see a full repaint on the 747-400 and am hopeful it will come. Imagine a white top 747-400 :spin:

Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:31 pm
by Iemand91
More information about the transportation of PH-BFB from Schiphol Airport to the nearby Corendon Village Hotel.
The 747 will leave the airport on evening of Tuesday February 6 and will arrive at her very last parking place during the night of Saterday to Sunday, February 9-10.
All this can be followed with a livestream. The route they will take can be seen in a previous post of mine (#531)

(Google Translation)
It is really going to happen! Our Boeing 747 will make its final journey from Schiphol Airport to the garden of the Corendon Village Hotel Amsterdam.

What will happen and when?

Starting shot: Tuesday 5 February 22.00 hours - Wednesday 6 February 07.00 hours
On Tuesday 5 February, the aircraft will drive at 22:00 on a gigantic self-propelled trailer of transport giant Mammoet from the hangar to leave Schiphol via the Zwanenburgbaan. The vehicle crosses the Two thousand El around midnight and goes step by step towards the Sloterweg, where the aircraft remains standing for two days to give the Mammoet employees the opportunity to transfer the used road plates for the second stage.

Crossing A9: Friday 8 February 00.00 hours - Saturday 9 February 05.00 hours
In the night of Friday 8 on Saturday 9 February, the most spectacular part of the transport takes place. Around midnight, the Boeing majestically crosses the A9. The traffic towards Haarlem is then equally quiet, the traffic from Haarlem to Schiphol is brought to a halt during the imposing crossing. Then the device continues with a snail's pace the route towards the Corendon Village Hotel. The aircraft will spend the last night in foreign air on the Schipholweg, directly opposite the final destination.

Saturday 9 February during the day (12.00-17.00)
In order to stay informed about the transport, there is a unique control room at the Corendon Village Hotel. This space is open throughout the day for livestreams and information about Corendon Mission 747. Only visitors with an entrance ticket are welcome in the control room.

Schipholweg and the final destination: Saturday 9 February 00.00 hours - Sunday 10 February 04.00 hours
In the night from Saturday to Sunday, the aircraft finally crosses the Schipholweg to take place in the garden of Corendon Village Hotel Amsterdam after 57 parking movements.

Sunday 10 February during the day (12.00-17.00)
The control room is open all day with information about Corendon Mission 747. Only visitors with an entrance ticket are welcome at the hotel.

VISITORS
During the transport three spotter spots have been set up along the route where spotters, enthusiasts and media can follow the plane from a reasonable distance. These places are exclusively for people who have an admission ticket. Furthermore, only visitors with an entrance ticket are welcome in the control room at the hotel.

https://www.corendonhotels.com/corendonmission747/

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190122 PH-BFB B744 KLM (Corendon livery) by mzunguwamap, on Flickr

Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:12 pm
by A388
Jag747400 wrote:
Iemand91 wrote:
A388 wrote:
Hello everybody. The BA 747 BOAC retrojet is the talk of the day these days. What's the status of the rumor of KLM painting one of their 747's in a retro livery to celebrate their 100th anniversary this year? Will KL still do this?

A388

That's just something a lot of AVgeeks (including me) would love to see, but KLM has never said it had plans of doing so.
It wouldn't make much sense to paint a 747 that's going to leave the fleet within 2 years any way.
KLM had a 737 flying with retro colours (PH-BXA) for 10 years; it KLM wants to do something similar for their 100th anniversary it would make more sense to paint a 737 again; or a 777 or 787.

na wrote:

Yep, there's good money to be made that way and KLM is the only airlines still doing that (it's the only airline with 747-combi aircraft left).
That's going to be a real loss and it's sad to see how the main deck cargo capacity at AF/KLM has shrunk in the last couple of years...


KLM is definitely doing a special livery for their 100th. Some of KLM's last 747 planes wont be leaving until the same time as some of British Airways' Last Jumbos. I suspect KLM will apply a cheap decal instead of a whole repaint because I suspect all their 744's going into the 2020's have already been repainted with the revised cheatline. As a KLM lover, I'd love to see a full repaint on the 747-400 and am hopeful it will come. Imagine a white top 747-400 :spin:


Jag747400 I think you're mistaken. KLM's 747's are all leaving the fleet before British Airways' 747's.

I also do hope KLM will come with a retrojet to celebrate their 100th anniversary. Maybe one of their first livery like on their DC3's is a good one. Their white livery on their 747's is nice but that livery came much later. One of their first liveries will suit a 100th anniversary much better in my opinion.

A388

Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:37 pm
by Phosphorus
A388 wrote:
Jag747400 wrote:
Iemand91 wrote:
That's just something a lot of AVgeeks (including me) would love to see, but KLM has never said it had plans of doing so.
It wouldn't make much sense to paint a 747 that's going to leave the fleet within 2 years any way.
KLM had a 737 flying with retro colours (PH-BXA) for 10 years; it KLM wants to do something similar for their 100th anniversary it would make more sense to paint a 737 again; or a 777 or 787.


Yep, there's good money to be made that way and KLM is the only airlines still doing that (it's the only airline with 747-combi aircraft left).
That's going to be a real loss and it's sad to see how the main deck cargo capacity at AF/KLM has shrunk in the last couple of years...


KLM is definitely doing a special livery for their 100th. Some of KLM's last 747 planes wont be leaving until the same time as some of British Airways' Last Jumbos. I suspect KLM will apply a cheap decal instead of a whole repaint because I suspect all their 744's going into the 2020's have already been repainted with the revised cheatline. As a KLM lover, I'd love to see a full repaint on the 747-400 and am hopeful it will come. Imagine a white top 747-400 :spin:


Jag747400 I think you're mistaken. KLM's 747's are all leaving the fleet before British Airways' 747's.

I also do hope KLM will come with a retrojet to celebrate their 100th anniversary. Maybe one of their first livery like on their DC3's is a good one. Their white livery on their 747's is nice but that livery came much later. One of their first liveries will suit a 100th anniversary much better in my opinion.

A388


A388, you are correct, 2021 is the end of the road, as per series of posts by 747classic, who keeps us up to date on the matter. On page 8 of this thread, there is a schedule of planned retirements, and 2021 is the end of the road for KLM passenger-carrying 747-400. 747classic was clear that nothing is final until it's final, and some variations can never be ruled out. But still, we shouldn't expect an extension, and if any -- by much...

Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:29 pm
by Iemand91
One of the KLM 747 freighters is in Jakarta at the moment for D-check.
She also received the 'new' dolphin livery but with some minor tweaks:

Image
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtP309mFApH/

Compare it with the previous 747 cargo repaint (PH-CKA):
Image
https://www.airliners.net/photo/KLM-Roy ... /5132471/L

-CKB is scheduled to return to Amsterdam Saturday night. Now -CKC is the only remaining 747 freighter with the 'old non-wavy' livery.

Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:53 pm
by Iemand91

Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:58 pm
by Jag747400

Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:59 pm
by Jag747400
Iemand91 wrote:
One of the KLM 747 freighters is in Jakarta at the moment for D-check.
She also received the 'new' dolphin livery but with some minor tweaks:

Image
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtP309mFApH/

Compare it with the previous 747 cargo repaint (PH-CKA):
Image
https://www.airliners.net/photo/KLM-Roy ... /5132471/L

-CKB is scheduled to return to Amsterdam Saturday night. Now -CKC is the only remaining 747 freighter with the 'old non-wavy' livery.


The big "CARGO" Letters got changed a tiny bit with the letter "O" completely different. "CARGO" letters on tail are grey now. This tiny adjustment is ugly. I prefer CKA's livery better

Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:01 pm
by Jag747400
A388 wrote:
Jag747400 wrote:
Iemand91 wrote:
That's just something a lot of AVgeeks (including me) would love to see, but KLM has never said it had plans of doing so.
It wouldn't make much sense to paint a 747 that's going to leave the fleet within 2 years any way.
KLM had a 737 flying with retro colours (PH-BXA) for 10 years; it KLM wants to do something similar for their 100th anniversary it would make more sense to paint a 737 again; or a 777 or 787.


Yep, there's good money to be made that way and KLM is the only airlines still doing that (it's the only airline with 747-combi aircraft left).
That's going to be a real loss and it's sad to see how the main deck cargo capacity at AF/KLM has shrunk in the last couple of years...


KLM is definitely doing a special livery for their 100th. Some of KLM's last 747 planes wont be leaving until the same time as some of British Airways' Last Jumbos. I suspect KLM will apply a cheap decal instead of a whole repaint because I suspect all their 744's going into the 2020's have already been repainted with the revised cheatline. As a KLM lover, I'd love to see a full repaint on the 747-400 and am hopeful it will come. Imagine a white top 747-400 :spin:


Jag747400 I think you're mistaken. KLM's 747's are all leaving the fleet before British Airways' 747's.

I also do hope KLM will come with a retrojet to celebrate their 100th anniversary. Maybe one of their first livery like on their DC3's is a good one. Their white livery on their 747's is nice but that livery came much later. One of their first liveries will suit a 100th anniversary much better in my opinion.

A388


Mistake on my part. But as I was saying, their Jumbos have less than 4-5 years of service left before retirement, and painting a 747-400 is expensive. The real question is if KLM wants to do the same thing as BA, and send their jumbo to retirement wearing the special livery if they add one.