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Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:22 pm

Do we know long BFH will be out of action?
 
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And that's it...

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In one weekend one less 747 and two fewer 747 destinations...
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:25 am

karan69 wrote:
Alphazone wrote:
karan69 wrote:
Hey Folks,
What are the routes for Summer 2020 Schedule for the 747s?

Thanks

Karan


Hi Karan. I don't know summer schedule but currently it is flying to MEX YYZ DEL and JFK (KL643), and occasionally appears to ICN. (Possibly this list is not complete.)


Thank you so much, doesn’t look like DEL and JFK are continuing in the summer schedule

Regards

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Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:13 am

Just for the record :

PH-BFG : 138.442 hours , 18.185 cycles

Source : Scramble, 't Praethuys, KLM (Dutch) , last reply on this page : https://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php ... start=4005
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Has anyone heard anything about the presumed retirement of the next in line to be phased out, PH-BFI City of Jakarta? Is this going to happen in 2019?
 
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PH-BFG seen at Kemble today.

Hope to more pictures in 2020.
 
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Has anyone heard anything about the presumed retirement of the next in line to be phased out, PH-BFI City of Jakarta? Is this going to happen in 2019?

Indeed scheduled to retire at the end of this month.
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Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:33 am

Hey guys. Do you know where KLM will dispatch B744s in the summer 2020?
I asked them via Facebook, but destinations stated (e.g. Toronto) do not match schedule when I try to book a flight (August 2020).

Thanks for any of your advise!
 
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Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:47 am

andrej wrote:
Hey guys. Do you know where KLM will dispatch B744s in the summer 2020?
I asked them via Facebook, but destinations stated (e.g. Toronto) do not match schedule when I try to book a flight (August 2020).

Thanks for any of your advise!


YYZ is scheduled (subject to change) to be operated with a mix of KLM B744combi and B777-200 aircraft in August 2020

KL691/692 Tuesday (day 2), Thursday (day 4) and Sunday (day 7) : B744 combi
Kl 691/692 day 1,3, 5 and 6 : B777-200
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Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:14 am

just looked in the planning.... 3/7 744 will operate 5x PBM and 7x CUR
 
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Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:57 am

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just looked in the planning.... 3/7 744 will operate 5x PBM and 7x CUR


Plus 2.5/7 operate:

- AMS-JFK KL643 6x weekly B74M
- AMS-MEX daily B74M
 
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Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:39 pm

that correct, i thought you were interested in 747-400all pax only
 
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Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:41 pm

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Yes Chicago saw it's last 747 today. That leaves the following routes for the 747

Delhi (new, till 1 March)


I am booked on AMS-DEL on the B747 in February 2020. I didn't realize when I booked it that it was near the end of the 747 on the route. I actually chose the route to get another ride on the Queen of the Skies. I didn't have a lot of flexibility, but I could choose between flying into DEL or BOM, as I would be taking a domestic flight to my final destination in India. I saw the 747 on the DEL route, and my decision was made!

I have many fond memories of KLM's 747s. I used to travel between the US and Europe quite a bit in the 1990's and early 2000's. I lived in the Midwest at the time, and Northwest was my airline of choice. I have flown KLM 747 between Amsterdam and MSP, ORD, DTW, and JFK quite a few times.
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Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:41 pm

Thank you to all! I will schedule accordingly.

I hope to get a chance to fly on the Queen (upper deck).
 
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Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:50 pm

Looks like something amiss with KL871 today. BFH appears to be heading back to Amsterdam.

Appears to be getting replaced by BFN which will run 4-5 hours late.

A major delay on Saturday too with BFL (3 hours +).

Are we seeing more tech delays now as a result of fewer aircraft to pick from?
 
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Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:01 am

It's the last week for yet another KLM 747. PH-BFI "City of Jakarta" is scheduled to be withdrawn from service this Thursday.
On Friday she will make her last ever flight to Teruel, Spain.

At the moment she's about 3 hours away from landing in Amsterdam as KL686 from Mexico City. I can't find an outgoing flight for her today.
On Tuesday it's KL601 to LAX from which she'll return on Wednesday, and that afternoon she'll depart on her last flight out as KL685 to Mexico City.
Thursday afternoon at 15:10 she'll land at Amsterdam for the final time.
On Friday morning she'll make here last ever flight to Teruel,Spain

Of course; these flight are all for the time being and can be changed.
Also; if the weather's not good enough; her last flight to Teruel may also happen on a later date.

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Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:32 pm

PH-BFI is currently above the English Channel 20 minutes before touchdown at Amsterdam as KL686 from Mexico City: https://www.flightradar24.com/KLM72Y/234fa5ac
About to make her final ever landing at Amsterdam.
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Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:45 pm

It seems that PH-BFW, one of KLM 744 combi's is still at Jakarta for maintenance (departed at November 28th)
See : https://nl-nl.facebook.com/photo.php?fb ... ater&ifg=1
Shouldn't this aircraft have been returned, before the retirement of PH-BFI (also a combi) ?
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Fri Dec 27, 2019 10:24 am

PH-BFI just left her parking space at Amsterdam Airport and is now on her way to the runway for her very last flight as KLM747 to Teruel:
https://www.flightradar24.com/KLM747/2352fcab

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Fri Dec 27, 2019 6:17 pm

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PH-BFI just left her parking space at Amsterdam Airport and is now on her way to the runway for her very last flight as KLM747 to Teruel:

How many are left???
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Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:21 pm

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Iemand91 wrote:
PH-BFI just left her parking space at Amsterdam Airport and is now on her way to the runway for her very last flight as KLM747 to Teruel:

How many are left???

Very good list upthread here:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=597241&start=600#p21468745

tl;dr:
Once PH-BFI is retired, KLM has eight passenger (including Combi) 747-400 left. Six planned for retirement in 2020, two to soldier on in 2021
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:53 pm

PH-BFW "City of Shanghai" today has returned to Amsterdam from Jakarta CGK from C-check.
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Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:48 am

Present hours/cycles count for PH-BFI : 146.041 hours and 17.517 cycles.

Source : Scramble, 't Praethuys , KLM thread (Dutch forum)
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Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:14 am

747classic wrote:
Present hours/cycles count for PH-BFI : 146.041 hours and 17.517 cycles.

Source : Scramble, 't Praethuys , KLM thread (Dutch forum)

Like I mentioned there, if those numbers are true (I have no reason to not trust them), -BFI is the new record holder for most flying hours of any commercial aircraft in the world, beating the previous one (-BFC) with a margin (~4100 hours more)
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Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:56 pm

Could that also be the absolute record for flying hours?
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Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:04 pm

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Could that also be the absolute record for flying hours?

Who knows. We had several topics about this subject in the past and we never found aircraft with more flying hours than the ex-KLM 747's.
It used to be 2 747-200's (PH-BUI and - BUH) for a long time that both reached 134.000+ hours and since then the 747-400's PH-BFC, -BFD, -BFE, -BFF, -BFG and now -BFI that al reached 137.000+ flying hours.

Some British Airways and Lufthansa 747's got somewhat close, but I've never seen one getting more hours then the KLM birds.
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:24 pm

Thanks, Lemand.

I mean, no military jet, no oldie DC-3, nothing has ever come close to those astounding numbers, isn't it?
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:16 pm

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Thanks, Lemand.

I mean, no military jet, no oldie DC-3, nothing has ever come close to those astounding numbers, isn't it?


I don't think we've to look at military jets for planes with more flying hours than the KL birds, they're older but not used as much.

The numbers are truly astonishing and Im curious to see if modern jets are going to beat it.
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:51 pm

It is essentially impossible to accumulate this sort of flight hours unless you are flying high-utilization, long-haul commercial service. Short-haul airliners rack up cycles but their utilization in hours tends to be lower. Military, tourist, and most freight aircraft are operating far, far less. For context, USAF B-52H frames approaching 70 years of age have fewer than 25,000 flight hours.

So we have to look at the civilian widebody fleet to find the hours leaders. No one has found aircraft in the fleet that approach the totals of the KLM 744s. No DC-10s or 747 Classics made it quite this high. Most 744s and MD-11s will be retired soon with lower hours totals. A330s with ESG modifications are limited to 130k FH. Delta and United have some 767s with quite high hours, the leaders being at Delta with ~130k, but I doubt they will fly long enough in service to beat PH-BFI. Delta will be retiring some 767s, probably the highest-hour birds, over the next couple of years.

If none of those 767s make it, I think we will have to wait until at least the late 2020s to see if any 777-200ERs reach this level of usage. I'd put my money on either 777-200ERs of KLM or 777-200LRs of Delta.
 
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:12 am

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It is essentially impossible to accumulate this sort of flight hours unless you are flying high-utilization, long-haul commercial service. Short-haul airliners rack up cycles but their utilization in hours tends to be lower. Military, tourist, and most freight aircraft are operating far, far less. For context, USAF B-52H frames approaching 70 years of age have fewer than 25,000 flight hours.

So we have to look at the civilian widebody fleet to find the hours leaders. No one has found aircraft in the fleet that approach the totals of the KLM 744s. No DC-10s or 747 Classics made it quite this high. Most 744s and MD-11s will be retired soon with lower hours totals. A330s with ESG modifications are limited to 130k FH. Delta and United have some 767s with quite high hours, the leaders being at Delta with ~130k, but I doubt they will fly long enough in service to beat PH-BFI. Delta will be retiring some 767s, probably the highest-hour birds, over the next couple of years.

If none of those 767s make it, I think we will have to wait until at least the late 2020s to see if any 777-200ERs reach this level of usage. I'd put my money on either 777-200ERs of KLM or 777-200LRs of Delta.


This utilization is truly amazing. I’d put Lufthansa and their A340s up there as well, as their early 744s got parked with around 125,000 hours on them.

Cargo can surprise you sometimes. The old Southern 742 fleet were the fleet leaders for a long time with 130,000+ hours. Nowadays, FedEx has a few MD-11s with over 100,000. UPS has some 744Fs with a lot more hours than that, and Cargolux tends to be a heavy utilized as well. Just because express companies do use a lot of their fleet on w hops a day domestically, doesn’t mean their international long range airframes aren’t flying hard 24/7 too.
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:20 am

Spacepope wrote:
seabosdca wrote:
It is essentially impossible to accumulate this sort of flight hours unless you are flying high-utilization, long-haul commercial service. Short-haul airliners rack up cycles but their utilization in hours tends to be lower. Military, tourist, and most freight aircraft are operating far, far less. For context, USAF B-52H frames approaching 70 years of age have fewer than 25,000 flight hours.

So we have to look at the civilian widebody fleet to find the hours leaders. No one has found aircraft in the fleet that approach the totals of the KLM 744s. No DC-10s or 747 Classics made it quite this high. Most 744s and MD-11s will be retired soon with lower hours totals. A330s with ESG modifications are limited to 130k FH. Delta and United have some 767s with quite high hours, the leaders being at Delta with ~130k, but I doubt they will fly long enough in service to beat PH-BFI. Delta will be retiring some 767s, probably the highest-hour birds, over the next couple of years.

If none of those 767s make it, I think we will have to wait until at least the late 2020s to see if any 777-200ERs reach this level of usage. I'd put my money on either 777-200ERs of KLM or 777-200LRs of Delta.


This utilization is truly amazing. I’d put Lufthansa and their A340s up there as well, as their early 744s got parked with around 125,000 hours on them.

Cargo can surprise you sometimes. The old Southern 742 fleet were the fleet leaders for a long time with 130,000+ hours. Nowadays, FedEx has a few MD-11s with over 100,000. UPS has some 744Fs with a lot more hours than that, and Cargolux tends to be a heavy utilized as well. Just because express companies do use a lot of their fleet on w hops a day domestically, doesn’t mean their international long range airframes aren’t flying hard 24/7 too.


The 744F fleet leader for UPS is N583UP. Per the latest FAA SDR on her she has 116,973 hours and 19,699 cycles as of the end of 2018.
 
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:19 pm

Spacepope wrote:
seabosdca wrote:
It is essentially impossible to accumulate this sort of flight hours unless you are flying high-utilization, long-haul commercial service. Short-haul airliners rack up cycles but their utilization in hours tends to be lower. Military, tourist, and most freight aircraft are operating far, far less. For context, USAF B-52H frames approaching 70 years of age have fewer than 25,000 flight hours.

So we have to look at the civilian widebody fleet to find the hours leaders. No one has found aircraft in the fleet that approach the totals of the KLM 744s. No DC-10s or 747 Classics made it quite this high. Most 744s and MD-11s will be retired soon with lower hours totals. A330s with ESG modifications are limited to 130k FH. Delta and United have some 767s with quite high hours, the leaders being at Delta with ~130k, but I doubt they will fly long enough in service to beat PH-BFI. Delta will be retiring some 767s, probably the highest-hour birds, over the next couple of years.

If none of those 767s make it, I think we will have to wait until at least the late 2020s to see if any 777-200ERs reach this level of usage. I'd put my money on either 777-200ERs of KLM or 777-200LRs of Delta.


This utilization is truly amazing. I’d put Lufthansa and their A340s up there as well, as their early 744s got parked with around 125,000 hours on them.

Cargo can surprise you sometimes. The old Southern 742 fleet were the fleet leaders for a long time with 130,000+ hours. Nowadays, FedEx has a few MD-11s with over 100,000. UPS has some 744Fs with a lot more hours than that, and Cargolux tends to be a heavy utilized as well. Just because express companies do use a lot of their fleet on w hops a day domestically, doesn’t mean their international long range airframes aren’t flying hard 24/7 too.


Those 2 Southern 742's are the above mentioned KL 742's, PH-BUI and PH-BUH
 
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Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:22 pm

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Little update on the retirement schedule; phase-out of PH-BFV and -BFW has been moved foward; instead of phasing them out in April 2021; they will now be phased out in Q4 of 2020.

Current schedule:

2019:
City of Guayaquil (PH-BFG) 09-12-2019
City of Jakarta (PH-BFI) 30-12-2019

2020:
City of Hong Kong (PH-BFH) 30-03-2020
City of Seoul (PH-BFS) 30-03-2020
City of Tokyo (PH-BFT) 01-10-2020
City of Lima (PH-BFL) 26-10-2020
City of Vancouver (PH-BFV) 01-04-2021 Q4 2020
City of Shanghai (PH-BFW) 01-04-2021 Q4 2020

2021:
City of Nairobi (PH-BFN) 01-05-2021
City of Johannesburg (PH-BFY) 01-05-2021

Source: https://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php ... 48#p936948



According to Routesonline, looks like the Combi is slated to remain until early January 2021, with flights continuing to Toronto until the end of December and New York until the 3rd of January.

Source:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -jan-2021/
 
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Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:37 pm

Phosphorus wrote:
EddieDude wrote:
Iemand91 wrote:
PH-BFI just left her parking space at Amsterdam Airport and is now on her way to the runway for her very last flight as KLM747 to Teruel:

How many are left???

Very good list upthread here:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=597241&start=600#p21468745

tl;dr:
Once PH-BFI is retired, KLM has eight passenger (including Combi) 747-400 left. Six planned for retirement in 2020, two to soldier on in 2021


Do we know the dates of the 6 retirements in 2020?
 
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Do we know the dates of the 6 retirements in 2020?


The dates you're looking for are mentioned in the previous post.

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Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:08 pm

Looks like the last ever KLM 747-combi flight will be on January 3, 2020 from JFK to AMS as KL644.
The last ever KLM 747 flight will be KL714 from PBM to AMS, sometime in late May 2021.

This means KLM will just not make the full 50 years of 747 service to New York JFK, since their very first 747 flight was KL641 to JFK with their first 747-200 PH-BUA on February 15, 1971.
It *does* mean KLM will have flown the 747 for 50 years and 3 months when the last KLM 747 flight will touch down iat Schiphol in May 2021.
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Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:36 pm

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Looks like the last ever KLM 747-combi flight will be on January 3, 2020 from JFK to AMS as KL644.


I guess you meant 2021? ;)

Just too bad KL has no intention to compensate the loss of all that main deck capacity with just one or two extra 744F..
It seems the oddsize cargo business is not that important anymore for KL, or The Netherlands Inc. in general.
 
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Iemand91 wrote:
Looks like the last ever KLM 747-combi flight will be on January 3, 2020 from JFK to AMS as KL644.


I guess you meant 2021? ;)

Ah yeah. Typo. Can't change it anymore unfortunately.

Just too bad KL has no intention to compensate the loss of all that main deck capacity with just one or two extra 744F..
It seems the oddsize cargo business is not that important anymore for KL, or The Netherlands Inc. in general.

There have been rumours about replacing the sole 747-400BCF (the one in Martinair livery) with a newer 747, but who knows.
KLM can now haul a lot more cargo in the cargo below the main deck of their new aircraft, but main deck capacity is just a fraction what it once was with AF/KLM.
(with multiple 747's at AF and MD-11's at Martinair).
It seems indeed main deck cargo is not that important anymore for AF/KLM.
Once KLM was the airline that transported the most horses of any airline in the world, mosty because of the many 747-combi's they had. Within a year, that's over.

As for main deck cargo in the Netherlands; well; there are full freighters at multiple airports in The Netherlands every day, just less and less of KLM/Martinair.
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Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:37 pm

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Iemand91 wrote:
Looks like the last ever KLM 747-combi flight will be on January 3, 2020 from JFK to AMS as KL644.


I guess you meant 2021? ;)

Just too bad KL has no intention to compensate the loss of all that main deck capacity with just one or two extra 744F..
It seems the oddsize cargo business is not that important anymore for KL, or The Netherlands Inc. in general.


So would that be last ever 747-combi flight in the world? I don't think there are any other combi operater left at this point...
 
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SeoulIncheon wrote:
76er wrote:
Iemand91 wrote:
Looks like the last ever KLM 747-combi flight will be on January 3, 2020 from JFK to AMS as KL644.


I guess you meant 2021? ;)

Just too bad KL has no intention to compensate the loss of all that main deck capacity with just one or two extra 744F..
It seems the oddsize cargo business is not that important anymore for KL, or The Netherlands Inc. in general.


So would that be last ever 747-combi flight in the world? I don't think there are any other combi operater left at this point...

Correct.

When Asiana Airlines retired their last 747-400M (HL7423) on March 4, 2017 (for conversion into full freighter), KLM became the sole operator of the 747-combi in the world.
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:41 pm

Iemand91 wrote:
Looks like the last ever KLM 747-combi flight will be on January 3, 2020 from JFK to AMS as KL644.

Wow! So soon! The MEX-AMS route will become 789?
Upcoming flights:
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inkjet7
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:55 pm

EddieDude wrote:
Iemand91 wrote:
Looks like the last ever KLM 747-combi flight will be on January 3, 2020 from JFK to AMS as KL644.

Wow! So soon! The MEX-AMS route will become 789?


That seems likely but there will be restrictions when operating out of Mexico to Amsterdam using a 787-9 on some days due to temperature and elevation of the airport.
 
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:55 pm

EddieDude wrote:
Iemand91 wrote:
Looks like the last ever KLM 747-combi flight will be on January 3, 2020 from JFK to AMS as KL644.

Wow! So soon! The MEX-AMS route will become 789?

Yes.

Starting October 25, 2020, a mix of 747-400 Combi and 787-9, and starting November 29, 2020, daily 787-9.
So last KLM 747 flight to/from Mexico-City is on November 28, 2020.
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:12 pm

Iemand91 wrote:
EddieDude wrote:
Iemand91 wrote:
Looks like the last ever KLM 747-combi flight will be on January 3, 2020 from JFK to AMS as KL644.

Wow! So soon! The MEX-AMS route will become 789?

Yes.

Starting October 25, 2020, a mix of 747-400 Combi and 787-9, and starting November 29, 2020, daily 787-9.
So last KLM 747 flight to/from Mexico-City is on November 28, 2020.



I’m looking forward to a flight in July MEX-AMS on the combi. So sad to see her go...
 
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:41 am

PH-BFS (74E) put in the spotlights, thanks to Sam Chui.
https://youtu.be/FgeHMW79MFU
 
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:25 pm

When does LAX get the 747 for the last time? I am glad I was able to get one final flight on the Combi last week (PH-BFT)
I noticed LAX is 1x 789 and 1x 772 in May 2020.
 
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:39 pm

DTWLAX wrote:
When does LAX get the 747 for the last time? I am glad I was able to get one final flight on the Combi last week (PH-BFT)
I noticed LAX is 1x 789 and 1x 772 in May 2020.

Looks like the last KLM 747 flight to Los Angeles is on May 1st, 2020.
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questions
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:24 pm

Such a legendary and beautiful aircraft.

Other than the Concorde, has there been such a following of commercial aircraft retirements and general feeling of sadness for the end of an era as there has been for the 747*?


*748’s to eventually follow.
 
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:19 pm

Just returned from a holiday at Curacao, flew with the present oldest en youngest KLM 744
Jan 14th. KL735 AMS-CUR PH-BFH
Feb 04th. KL736 CUR-AMS PF-BFY

Note : during my stay at CUR I started to follow the punctuality of the present KLM 744 operation.
Conclusion : punctuallity is slowly decreasing due fewer aircraft available and very thight schedules, causing delays at CUR up to 24 hours during my 3 weeks stay.
My flights were both operated according schedule.
Operating a twin over the ocean, you're always one engine failure from a total emergency.
 
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Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:12 pm

Whilst I have no official statistics, I too have been looking at 744 on time performance.

I was on BFY to Delhi a few weeks back and whilst it was on time, there were some serious delays on several of the days either side of my despatch. Noticed delays also on other routes.

I do wonder if, depending on how long the China oubreak continues, whether this will allow a quicker retirement of the old queen whilst the spares freed from the China routes get re-deployed to cover the 744 exits. Far too early to know this but there will be a lot of spare KLM capacity at the moment all whilst expensive 744s trundle on with their less than great delays....

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