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Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:18 am

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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:30 am

http://avherald.com/h?article=48ec2e81&opt=0

Looks to a writeoff

Sorry, cant set the link correct
 
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:50 am

Landing gear was not down and locked.
Crew reported an emergency.
 
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:04 am

Why only one over wing exit open....again?
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:18 am

Quoting ALAfly (Reply 1):

http://avherald.com/h?article=48ec2e81&opt=0

Looks to a writeoff

Indeed. Its an age mate of the old BA 734s which are being scrapped so I doubt this one is worth repairing.
 
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:06 am

Quoting na (Reply 4):
Its an age mate of the old BA 734s which are being scrapped so I doubt this one is worth repairing

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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:52 pm

Quoting pecevanne (Reply 2):
Landing gear was not down and locked.
Crew reported an emergency.

There was no emergency or reported fault.

Just another cowboy landing by an airline crewed with rejects.

No doubt the Pakistani CAA will just sweep this incident under the carpet under the guise of a "technical glitch".  
 
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:56 pm

Quoting winterlight (Reply 3):
Why only one over wing exit open....again?
Quoting Chaostheory (Reply 6):
Just another cowboy landing by an airline crewed with rejects.

That would explain it.
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Tue Nov 03, 2015 2:33 pm

Apparently this aircraft and the BA/Comair -400 that had landing-gear failure last week at JNB was built roughly around the same time, few months apart...co-incidence?
Are there perhaps any others built around that time, read something about a Malaysian -400 as well that collapsed at the gate?
 
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:06 pm

Quoting Chaostheory (Reply 6):

There was no emergency or reported fault.

Just another cowboy landing by an airline crewed with rejects.

Do you have a citation for that?
 
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:18 pm

Quoting GRJGeorge (Reply 8):

Apparently this aircraft and the BA/Comair -400 that had landing-gear failure last week at JNB was built roughly around the same time, few months apart...co-incidence?

More than likely coincidence. These aircraft this late in their careers most likely have had a gear chance at least once. The landing gear are not the ones the aircraft were delivered with.
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Tue Nov 03, 2015 6:03 pm

Quoting B747400ERF (Reply 9):
Do you have a citation for that?

A family member working for the PCAA.
 
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Tue Nov 03, 2015 7:39 pm

Does anyone have a link to the LiveATC archives?
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Tue Nov 03, 2015 7:43 pm

Look at the gash at the rear of the aircraft. What caused that? The landing gear? Yikes...

https://www.rt.com/news/320635-safe-plane-crash-landing/

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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:04 pm

Quoting Chaostheory (Reply 11):

A family member working for the PCAA.

You have someone with an axe to grind and no real proof. That's just as I figured.
 
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:21 pm

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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:30 pm

Quoting B747400ERF (Reply 14):
You have someone with an axe to grind and no real proof. That's just as I figured.

First off - even if your opinion is accurate, that doesn't mean what he wrote wasn't true. Second, you asked for a source and it was provided. If you choose to believe it or not that's up to you. I don't have a dog in this hunt, but your attacks seem premeditated (you already prejudged the source) and unwarranted (you don't know for sure his information isn't correct).
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:27 am

Quoting B747400ERF (Reply 14):
You have someone with an axe to grind and no real proof. That's just as I figured.

No axe to grind.

You'll find I'm equally critical of the other carriers.

You don't have to work in the industry or have links in that part of the world to know there are huge systemic deficiencies in the airlines and perhaps most importantly, the regulators.

If you want so start off somewhere, read the damning report into the PK F-27 crash at LHE followed by the ED A321 crash at ISB and lastly the Air Indus 737 windshear induced stall at ISB. You'll note I haven't even touched on the 3 (or is it 4?) landing incidents involving this carrier Shaheen. But hey, at least they're keeping the Boeing Go teams in employment!

What links all of the above is a glaring lack of oversight from the Pakistani CAA.

If you would like, you can open a thread on the Pakistani CAA and I'll happily go into further detail. Whether it be having to ask the Chinese for VHF equipment to boost comms near PURPA* intersection or the number of ICAO conferences that have been delayed because the Pakistani CAA delegation turned up 24-48 hours late, I'm sure you'll find it an interesting read.

By the way, minutes to most ICAO meetings are usually available online so you may be able to find documents pertaining to the above.

*For the unaware, PURPA is a waypoint north of Gilgit, Pakistan on the border with China.

[Edited 2015-11-03 16:37:39]
 
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Wed Nov 04, 2015 8:07 am

Stabilised approach is very important to avoid runway overruns.
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:45 am

In flight cabin footage of this incident has emerged.

There are no cabin crew calls for brace and everything appears normal until touchdown.

http://www.geo.tv/article-202950-EXC...mergency-landing-shot-by-passenger
 
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:09 pm

Latest update on AVH -

"On Nov 12th 2015 the Civil Aviation Authority of Pakistan confirmed the authenticity of a leaked document presenting laboratory analysis of the captain's blood alcohol and lactate levels being above acceptable limits."


Yikes.
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:40 pm

Quoting barney captain (Reply 20):
Civil Aviation Authority of Pakistan confirmed the authenticity of a leaked document presenting laboratory analysis of the captain's blood alcohol and lactate levels being above acceptable limits."

No surprises there then:

Quoting Chaostheory (Reply 6):
Just another cowboy landing by an airline crewed with rejects.
 
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:45 am

Quoting Chaostheory (Reply 21):
No surprises there then:

Then you should have waited for news instead of spreading rumors you could not back up.
 
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Fri Nov 13, 2015 6:19 am

Pax and bags down the slides. No surprises there.
 
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:43 am

Quoting B747400ERF (Reply 22):
Then you should have waited for news instead of spreading rumors you could not back up.

It was common knowledge "on the wire," not rumour, within minutes that no emergency had been declared and that the aircraft had touched down adjacent to the runway.

I'm not sure why you're a picking fight from outside the industry with people within the industry.  
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:17 pm

So this plane has been written off I guess. Not much to guess though.
 
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:34 pm

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 24):

It was common knowledge "on the wire," not rumour, within minutes that no emergency had been declared and that the aircraft had touched down adjacent to the runway.

I'm not sure why you're a picking fight from outside the industry with people within the industry.

"I heard from a friend of a friend that..." is not something we accept as a legitimate post. You either back up your claims or don't make them.
 
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Fri Nov 13, 2015 6:41 pm

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 24):
It was common knowledge "on the wire," not rumour, within minutes that no emergency had been declared and that the aircraft had touched down adjacent to the runway.

that's quite a statement, saying they managed to completely miss the runway whilst landing ... got anything to back that up?
 
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Fri Nov 13, 2015 7:57 pm

Quoting litz (Reply 27):
that's quite a statement, saying they managed to completely miss the runway whilst landing ... got anything to back that up?

There's a video on the AVHerald site that shows them landing to the left of the runway. The view out the pax window looks pretty conclusive in that, the runway centerline can clearly be seen to the right of the right wing.

Now, even a failed alcohol test doesn't completely explain the "why".
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:36 pm

Quoting barney captain (Reply 28):

There's a video on the AVHerald site that shows them landing to the left of the runway. The view out the pax window looks pretty conclusive in that, the runway centerline can clearly be seen to the right of the right wing.

It did land very far to the left on the runway, but the post claimed it landed "adjacent to the runway" which is wrong.
 
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:48 pm

Quoting B747400ERF (Reply 29):
It did land very far to the left on the runway, but the post claimed it landed "adjacent to the runway" which is wrong.

No, it's not wrong -


"A Shaheen Boeing 737-400, registration AP-BJO performing flight NL-142 from Karachi to Lahore (Pakistan) with 112 passengers and 7 crew, was on approach to Lahore's runway 36L at about 09:30L (04:30Z), however, touched down on soft ground left of the runway, crossed a taxiway causing both main gear struts to collapse"

The video also supports a touchdown to the left of the runway.

Did you watch it?
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:00 am

Quoting B747400ERF (Reply 26):
"I heard from a friend of a friend that..." is not something we accept as a legitimate post. You either back up your claims or don't make them.

Exactly.

Just like your confident yet inaccurate claim that it landed on the hard surface.
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:33 am

I watched the video of the landing and it looked to me like it didn't flare and hit the ground with a very high rate of descent.
 
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:40 pm

Quoting barney captain (Reply 31):

Exactly.

Just like your confident yet inaccurate claim that it landed on the hard surface.

I wasn't making an official statement or repeating rumors that could not be backed up. I only went by what I saw in the video, it looked like it touched down on the left of the runway and then went off, based on the video. With the centerline over the right wing, that isn't touching down "adjacent" to the runway. You obviously have an axe to grind once I showed the lack of logic you used in other topics. Try to find something else productive to do and learn how to act your age.

[Edited 2015-11-14 11:43:55]
 
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:51 pm

As you can see it landed on the edge of the runway and far off the center line, but not "adjacent to the runway"

http://i.imgur.com/MKp7jDk.jpg

But you both would rather act like bullies before you admit the original claims were wrong. This website is indistinguishable from youtube comments these days.
 
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:56 pm

http://avherald.com/h?article=48ec2e81&opt=0


".........touched down on soft ground left of the runway"
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Sat Nov 14, 2015 8:00 pm

Quoting barney captain (Reply 40):

".........touched down on soft ground left of the runway"

I went to the trouble of posting a picture from the landing video, and why am I not surprised you ignored it and once again went into bully mode. Clearly you are only here to argue and no amount of data will quiet you down. Even a picture from the video you lectured me to go watch.
 
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Sat Nov 14, 2015 8:16 pm

Quoting B747400ERF (Reply 41):
and once again went into bully mode.

I posted the link to AV report and a quote from the summary - without comment.

Quoting B747400ERF (Reply 41):
Clearly you are only here to argue and no amount of data will quiet you down.

Fascinating.


Take care.
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:59 am

Quoting barney captain (Reply 35):
".........touched down on soft ground left of the runway"

...and that is exactly the comment reported by Air Traffic.

However, despite other posters' attempts to suppress it via censorship on here because they think they know better from what they think they see on a grainy video taken from inside the aircraft, , the truth will out in time and we'll revisit this thread at a later date.  

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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:04 am

I Heard, from a Shaheen Cadet, That all 737 's have Been grounded
 
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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:45 pm

The Captain operating the flight was arrested at his home in Karachi on Saturday, charged with operating an aircraft whilst under the influence of alcohol and endangering the lives of others.

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RE: Shaheen Air Off Runway At Lahore

Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:48 pm

Confirmed, is under arrest

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