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Transaero Fleet Already Finding New Homes

Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:14 am

WN picked up five 737-700s according to this article. Anyone know of any other Transaero aircraft finding new homes?

http://ch-aviation.com/portal/news/4...hwest-snaps-up-transaero-b737-700s
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:18 am

That's good news - there are two sat on the apron here in CBG. One went into the paint shop earlier today - if it happens to be in SW livery I'll try and get a shot.
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:22 am

Was at an aircraft finance conference in Dublin a few weeks ago and an exec from one of the leasing firms mentioned that they were managing a number of Transaero aircraft. He said that they've been under pressure to rehome these aircraft as a key performance indicator for investors is the time aircraft spend out on lease. The collapse of UN landed them with a number of idle aircraft overnight, however it seems that they are doing a good job at redelivering them to new airlines!
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 1:03 am

Quoting btblue (Reply 1):
if it happens to be in SW livery I'll try and get a shot.

Unfortunately WN does all the paint work after the mods are finished in PAE.. However still keep an eye out.. You might just stumble upon a one off, and get that super rare picture of a WN painted plane in Europe!

Does anyone know where the -800s will end up? I am hoping some of the new ones end up at WN too..

[Edited 2015-11-03 17:08:12]
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 1:23 am

Quoting airplaneboy (Thread starter):
WN picked up five 737-700s according to this article.

I believe WN has picked up at least 27 737-700s in the last 12 months.

The 5 you mention, 10 x Aerolineas, 4 x CZ and 8 x MU.

Quoting 321neo (Reply 2):
He said that they've been under pressure to rehome these aircraft as a key performance indicator for investors is the time aircraft spend out on lease.

That's right. The 'performance indicator' term the lessors use is utilisation rate and they certainly don't hang about with idle aircraft.

When aercap realised nobody wanted those beat up 772s at CZ, they were straight on the phone with their salvage department AeroTurbine. Those 777 parts are no doubt already in circulation.

It'll be interesting to see where the 767s end up. In some quarters, they are referred to as 'Old Tech'.
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 2:31 am

Why isn't UA going after the 737s and 777s? Don't let others take advantage.
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:15 am

All those A321s stored in Spain should find a home soon, no? Most of them are sharklet-equipped, or at least they are later builds.
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:47 am

Anyone know whats going to happen to those stored 744's at MLB???

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RE: Transaero Fleet Already Finding New Homes

Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:50 am

Quoting Chaostheory (Reply 4):
I believe WN has picked up at least 27 737-700s in the last 12 months.

Pft! The 737-700 is to WN as much as the MD-90/717 is to DL!

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Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:30 am

I believe WN has said they only want new build 737-800s and not used ones, or I guess, just ones that have the Sky Interior to keep a consistent product going forward on those aircraft.
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 8:37 am

Quoting ericm2031 (Reply 9):
I believe WN has said they only want new build 737-800s and not used ones, or I guess, just ones that have the Sky Interior to keep a consistent product going forward on those aircraft.

I my opnion such statements are not worth a penny. Once you get a chance to get ultra-cheap 800s from a defunct airline you just pick them up, because slightly higher operating costs will play no role compared to the very low accquisition costs for the frame.
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:09 am

I wounder if AA will try for some of the 777
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:25 am

Quoting jetsetterusa (Reply 11):
I wounder if AA will try for some of the 777

Aren't most of the UN 777s A-models that have limited range and are were already second or third hand aircraft when arriving at UN?
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:50 am

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 3):

Unfortunately WN does all the paint work after the mods are finished in PAE.. However still keep an eye out.. You might just stumble upon a one off, and get that super rare picture of a WN painted plane in Europe!

I kinda thought as much after I posted - I will certainly keep an eye out and see what happens with them!
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 11:26 am

Quoting CARST (Reply 12):
Aren't most of the UN 777s A-models that have limited range and are were already second or third hand aircraft when arriving at UN?

Just two were non-ER models ex UA. Very unlikely these will find new homes, they were among the first 777s built. Other 777s were ER's ex UA and (derated) ex SQ birds. Maybe the ER's ex UA could find new homes, the SQ ones I don't think so.

Will be interesting to see if someone is interested in the 773s, non-ER, also ex SQ. SU will take 4 744s from the UN fleet.
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 11:40 am

I wonder where the 744s beside the four taken by Aeroflot will go. Most are rather young frames built around the year 2000 and still able to fly for another 10 years.
Some of the 767s are also not too old and the type has been quite fashionable with start-ups.
It will be interesting to watch if the 773s find a new home. There are very few airlines out there who operate the type, and with the first secondhand 77Ws likely to hit the market next year (end of lease of some EK frames) who would want those non-ERs still? JAL has already sent two for scrapping, even though those certainly have much higher cycles recorded than the ex-SQ/UN frames.
The old 77A models will likely go to the scrappers, they are close to 20 years old and the least desirable 777 version. Not a single frame of that variant could be placed with secondhand operators in recent years.
The 735s are also prime scrap candidates, but the 734s might find a new home with some cargo outfit.
Least to worry about are the 737NGs.
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:13 pm

Quoting na (Reply 15):
Some of the 767s are also not too old

There are 7 young 763ERs that will definitely find a new home (1999-2001 builds).
I would eve dare say that some of older 8 763ERs could also find a home, probably in the freighter market.
The 2 oldest 762ERs are probably done, although a freighter could see some value in the younger of the two.
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RE: Transaero Fleet Already Finding New Homes

Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:17 pm

Quoting btblue (Reply 1):
That's good news - there are two sat on the apron here in CBG. One went into the paint shop earlier today - if it happens to be in SW livery I'll try and get a shot.

According to Planespotters.net those ones are owned by Amentum Aircraft Leasing and so are not the ones discussed above.

So presumably they've got a different new operator if already placed.

[Edited 2015-11-04 04:29:18]
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:23 pm

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 14):
SU will take 4 744s from the UN

Wow SU will pick up 747s? This will be the first 747s ever in SUs fleet. I hope they'll paint them in their standard livery. The silver-grey must look amazing on the Queen...

Quoting na (Reply 15):
who would want those non-ERs still? JAL has already sent two for scrapping

But JL used them for domestic trunk routes and had to retire them because of the high cycles IIRC. So if the UN 773s are low-cycle JL could pick them up for their domestic flying.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 16):
There are 7 young 763ERs that will definitely find a new home (1999-2001 builds).
I would eve dare say that some of older 8 763ERs could also find a home, probably in the freighter market.

Which other airlines than cargo carriers could use them? The US legacy airlines which have the largest 767s fleets?


I think even the out-of-fashion-frames could find new homes at Iranian airlines or at some place in third world countries. Will depend much on the resale value in parts. If the scrap value is low third world airlines might pick these frames at bargain prices...
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:25 pm

Quoting Chaostheory (Reply 4):

Quoting airplaneboy (Thread starter):
WN picked up five 737-700s according to this article.

I believe WN has picked up at least 27 737-700s in the last 12 months.

The 5 you mention, 10 x Aerolineas, 4 x CZ and 8 x MU.

They've also aquired some ex AS and WS -700s recently
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:35 pm

Quoting CARST (Reply 18):
Which other airlines than cargo carriers could use them?

Other than cargo, the buyers of used 767s have been few and far between. Westjet took a handful of ex-Qantas. Icelandair took one or two used one. El Al took one. Some Chinese discount carrier is taking a handful of ex-Qantas birds.
That's been about it over the last 12-18 months. So, most likely odds and ends or maybe a Russian start-up (or Nordwind/Azur/Ikar) that's looking to fill the void Transaero has left in the leisurely charter market.
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RE: Transaero Fleet Already Finding New Homes

Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:38 pm

Quoting CARST (Reply 18):
Wow SU will pick up 747s? This will be the first 747s ever in SUs fleet. I hope they'll paint them in their standard livery. The silver-grey must look amazing on the Queen...

While SU has said they might pick up those four 747s, there is no word on which airline from the subsidiary family the planes will go to. Orenair has been on the rise lately, and takes a lot of larger aircraft, so there is no telling which livery they will end up in, if delivered.

Same thing with the brand new 738s that SU will take from UN's orders, they will be rerouted to the Aeroflot group but the final airline has yet to be decided on.
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:46 pm

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 20):
Other than cargo, the buyers of used 767s have been few and far between. Westjet took a handful of ex-Qantas. Icelandair took one or two used one. El Al took one. Some Chinese discount carrier is taking a handful of ex-Qantas birds.
That's been about it over the last 12-18 months.

Nice summary, thanks mate!

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 20):
So, most likely odds and ends or maybe a Russian start-up (or Nordwind/Azur/Ikar) that's looking to fill the void Transaero has left in the leisurely charter market.

Is there really a void left bei UN? Just asking, because the main reason for UN to shut down was the downward spiral of the Russian charter and leasure market, due to the low oil price and the sanctions against Mother Russia weaking the Russian currency...
 
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RE: Transaero Fleet Already Finding New Homes

Wed Nov 04, 2015 1:13 pm

Quoting CARST (Reply 22):
Just asking, because the main reason for UN to shut down was the downward spiral of the Russian charter and leasure market, due to the low oil price and the sanctions against Mother Russia weaking the Russian currency...

What makes you say that exactly? UN was in trouble for years and in enormous debt to its creditors way before any sort of sanctions and decrease in travel numbers. The low oil prices and diminishing overseas travel was the final blow, but far far far from the main reason Transaero suffered its demise.
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 1:31 pm

I had a feeling the purchase of UN was never going to happen, and airlines were perfectly happy with just buying up the frames for cheap instead.
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 2:04 pm

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 20):
Other than cargo, the buyers of used 767s have been few and far between. Westjet took a handful of ex-Qantas.

But how do we know if this is a lack of demand or a lack of supply? Based on the aircraft census I see that only 23 767s left service from 2014 to 2015 with a world-wide in airline service fleet of 765. It appears that less than 10 763/76Es have left service based on the census. Hard for me to believe as I thought NH retired more than that alone. However, the point is I don't think there really are that many 76Es, especially young ones, available in the market.

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Wed Nov 04, 2015 2:10 pm

I was wondering if SU will be taking on a large number of former UN staff, particularly pilots and flight attendants. It would be the fastest way to get them back in the air earning revenue.
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 2:12 pm

Any news that will happen with Transaero's orderbook?

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Airbus A321-200 : 6
Airbus A330-300 : 8
Airbus A330-900neo : 12
Airbus A380-800 : 4
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 2:18 pm

Quoting chiad (Reply 27):
Any news that will happen with Transaero's orderbook?

Their order book will go up in smoke, although I'm sure Boeing and Airbus are trying to find a way to place the 748is and A380s respectively with someone. The rest are easily replaceable The A321/A333/A330neo orders, by the way, were either never firmed or from a leasing company (or secondhand in the case of the A321s?)- Transaero only has the 8 A320neos and 4 A380s on direct order from Airbus.

[Edited 2015-11-04 06:22:41]
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 2:47 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 28):
Transaero only has the 8 A320neos and 4 A380s on direct order from Airbus.

Thank you so much for this info!
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:48 pm

Quoting na (Reply 15):
I wonder where the 744s beside the four taken by Aeroflot will go

a lot of the TSO fleet is now residing in Teruel in sunny Spain

http://www.flightradar24.com/blog/tracking-transaero-into-storage/
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:26 pm

Quoting Chaostheory (Reply 4):
It'll be interesting to see where the 767s end up. In some quarters, they are referred to as 'Old Tech'.
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 25):
But how do we know if this is a lack of demand or a lack of supply? Based on the aircraft census I see that only 23 767s left service from 2014 to 2015 with a world-wide in airline service fleet of 765. It appears that less than 10 763/76Es have left service based on the census. Hard for me to believe as I thought NH retired more than that alone. However, the point is I don't think there really are that many 76Es, especially young ones, available in the market.

tortugamon

I know we like to joke about DL and used planes, but they do seem quite happy with they 767s and are just retiring them due to age, not due to the plane being unprofitable. They are opportunistic buyers, we've said before that the closest replacement for a 767 is a 767, so if the price is right, is it a possibility? UA maybe as a long shot? they have also recently changed their mind about retiring the 767 and are instead keeping it in service, but they've not shown the same level of interest in buying used types as DL.

Quoting na (Reply 15):
It will be interesting to watch if the 773s find a new home. There are very few airlines out there who operate the type,

How badly used up are the planes, what engines are on them, and what sort of commonality do they have with the 77W or 77E? I wonder if someone like UA that has a pretty broad 777 fleet (777A and both GE and P&W 77E in fleet with same size 77W on order; probably one of the only airlines that doesn't operate the 773 but is likely to have commonality somewhere as it does or will operate most every other 777 model) and who has a slot controlled TATL hub (EWR) could use the plane to upgauge some Europe flights. They already have said EWR is a likely 77W base, so would some cheap to buy 773s with the same seating capacity as a 77W be a nice compliment to a small fleet of new build 77Ws on TATL? As the 77A's move into domestic, UA could also upgauge their international route to a 77A if the passenger demand is there. They might also make a nice HD 450+ seat Hawaii bird if UA was looking to cut frequency on a leisure route and improve CASM.

I'd also think of DL as a possible operator, but that's where the questions about parts commonality and engines really come in, since DL's 777 fleet is much more limited than UA's (only RR ERs and GE LRs; no A models or P&Ws).

[Edited 2015-11-04 08:29:05]
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:37 pm

All of the 773s have RR engines (all are ex-SQ). The 772s are a mix of PW (5 planes) and RR (4 planes), depending on if they are ex-UA or ex-SQ.
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:41 pm

Quoting mcoflyer (Reply 7):
Anyone know whats going to happen to those stored 744's at MLB???

KH

I another thread someone mentioned there are 4 of them at MLB and are in a state of engine repair (engines removed, etc.). The company doing the work, if I recall, went bankrupt as they didn't receive payment from UN. Looks like someone will have to step in, get the work done, and get the birds on the market.
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:55 pm

I said it before and I'll say it again. The 777s that were once at UA could easily go back there for the right price, especially the 3 ERs.

And the ex-SQ birds could end up with DL.

[Edited 2015-11-04 08:57:10]
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:02 pm

What about their 3 Tu-214? Any chance to see them in Air Koryo, Cubana colors? Or maybe with Rossya?
Transaero was the last airlines to operate that type.
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:07 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 32):

All of the 773s have RR engines (all are ex-SQ). The 772s are a mix of PW (5 planes) and RR (4 planes), depending on if they are ex-UA or ex-SQ.

Well that kinda blows up my theory. They only have 4 which seems like to small of a subfleet to interest DL (unless they have some 744's on TATL - which I don't recall they do - that they really want to retire before the A350s are available), and I don't know that UA is the sort to operate a tiny subfleet with such unique engines.

Quoting sibille (Reply 35):

What about their 3 Tu-214? Any chance to see them in Air Koryo, Cubana colors? Or maybe with Rossya?
Transaero was the last airlines to operate that type.

That's similar to a 757 right? DL has bought used 752s, so maybe they would be interested in those too?  duck 

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[Edited 2015-11-04 09:12:24]
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:17 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 26):

I was wondering if SU will be taking on a large number of former UN staff, particularly pilots and flight attendants. It would be the fastest way to get them back in the air earning revenue.

Already in progress, special job applications are available and tons of people have applied:

Quote:
Aeroflot has developed and set underway a large-scale program to provide employment for Transaero employees at Aeroflot Group.

Aeroflot has carried out a thorough analysis of the Group’s capacity to provide employment for certain categories of worker. Based on the results of this analysis Aeroflot Group stands ready to take on up to 6,060 former Transaero employees.
The necessary changes have been made to Aeroflot’s staffing list and more than 2,000 vacancies opened to provide employment for Transaero employees. As of today various units of PJSC Aeroflot are interviewing 976 candidates including 140 flight staff, 604 cabin crew, 61 flight safety experts and 125 back-office staff.

Rossiya Airlines, an Aeroflot Group company, stands ready to employ more than 3,000 Transaero employees at a newly created subsidiary in Moscow.

The Moscow subsidiary of JSC Rossiya Airlines was registered by Interregional Inspectorate No. 15 of the Federal Tax Service in St Petersburg on 30 October 2015. As of 30 October 585 people had been recommended for employment at this subsidiary.

In total Aeroflot plans to employ:
— Around 700 pilots;
— Around 1,000 engineering and technical personnel;
— Around 2,800 flight attendants;
— Around 1,200 ground service crew;
— Around 300 back-office and managerial staff.
http://www.aeroflot.ru/cms/en/new/55525

Quoting chiad (Reply 27):

Any news that will happen with Transaero's orderbook?

Aeroflot will take the 737NGs, a MOU has already been signed with Sberbank Leasing. Which airline out of the SU group these will go to, remains to be seen.
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:55 pm

The five planes taken up by Southwest are 2004-2005 vintage and carry a Malev customer code.

There are two additional 737-700's that were in UN's fleet that carry a Bavaria Flug customer code, were built in 2005, came from China Southern, and are owned by Amentum.

On the 737-800 side, there are 19 birds parked:

Four owned by Alafco, two from 2000 with an Air Europa code and two from 2001 with a Wuhan code.

One owned by Air Lease Corporation, a 2007 with an Air Europa Code.

Two owned by BBAM, from 1998, with a TUI code.

Two owned by JSA, from 2011, with an Air Berlin code.

Two from Sberbank, from 2015, which were taken up originally by UN.

Seven owned by VEB-Leasing, five from 1999-2000 from a variety of owners and two from 2006 with an Icelandair code and also flown by Air China.

One from VTB leasing, from 1999, with a GECAS code.

On the 767-300ER side, I would expect that the only demand would be for the 1999-2001 vintage birds, of which there are seven: four GECAS originally flown by Aeroflot, and 3 ILFC, two of which came from Aer Europa and one from Alitalia. All of these birds have GE engines.

On the 777 side, all of the five birds with a United Airlines code were third-hand to UN: a 1999 200-ER that came from Air India and two 1995 -A and two 1999 -ER birds from Varig. I would expect that United may be hesitant to take up these planes given this history. These birds have PW engines.

There are also nine planes from 1998-1999 from Singapore with RR engines: four 200ER and five 300A birds.
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:10 pm

Quoting VictorKilo (Reply 38):
On the 737-800 side, there are 19 birds parked:

Why wouldn't SW want to pick these up?
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:20 pm

Quoting Joshu (Reply 39):
Why wouldn't SW want to pick these up?

Because WN is still receiving factory new -8H4's...long term, a factory new plane will last much longer than a used bird. The used -700's are mostly filling in for retired clasics (-300's and -500's).
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:49 pm

Quoting tjh8402 (Reply 31):
I know we like to joke about DL and used planes, but they do seem quite happy with they 767s and are just retiring them due to age, not due to the plane being unprofitable. They are opportunistic buyers, we've said before that the closest replacement for a 767 is a 767, so if the price is right, is it a possibility?

I could definitely see DL inquiring about the price. They seem to make good use of their 767s. UA is secondary but they seem to be trying to eek extra life out of theirs. Maybe the could be interested in younger replacement instead. Less likely in my opinion.

Quoting Joshu (Reply 39):
Why wouldn't SW want to pick these up?
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 40):
Because WN is still receiving factory new -8H4's...long term, a factory new plane will last much longer than a used bird. The used -700's are mostly filling in for retired clasics (-300's and -500's).

I believe it has a lot to do with the fact that 737-700s are not very desirable in the open market right now so their pricing is very advantageous to someone like WN who can put them to good use. However, the resale on a 738 is much stronger so the delta between new and used is smaller making a new 738 more compelling to WN than the used versions.

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Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:02 pm

The ones taken by LUV are the Q8s of Aercap. They quit Transaero fleet by late September and been stored at SNN. Also Southwest shopped some ten -700s from WestJet.
Transaero A321s are brand new and Turkish would be eyeing them.
 
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RE: Transaero Fleet Already Finding New Homes

Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:42 pm

Quoting TS-IOR (Reply 42):
Also Southwest shopped some ten -700s from WestJet.

I'm confused by your statement. Does this mean they're taking these 73Gs from WestJet? If so, did we already know about these, are is this a new purchase?

WN seems to be setting themselves up for the upcoming 735 retirements. I wonder if any of these will be for growth.
 
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RE: Transaero Fleet Already Finding New Homes

Wed Nov 04, 2015 11:33 pm

May I ask, what sort of conditions are the UN planes in? Was the company known for exemplary maintenance and upkeep, or could they be junk held together with duct tape and chewing gum? Even a relatively recent build can be poorly maintained and undesirable to a UA, DL, WN, etc. Whereas a meticulously maintained classic can be a bargain.
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RE: Transaero Fleet Already Finding New Homes

Wed Nov 04, 2015 11:45 pm

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 44):
May I ask, what sort of conditions are the UN planes in?

UN was a solid company from an operational standpoint, they kept everything in check as needed and had good maintenance. Their newer aircraft were in great shape. Many of the planes being talked about in posts above reference planes that were barely flown by the airline, they are that new. Others haven't even been delivered yet (in the case of the 738s going to SU). For older planes, VictorKilo above offered a good summary.

The problem with UN was that a lot of the long-haul and charter fleet consisted of very second or third hand planes. Because of the heavy use on leisure routes, UN often times simply did not see the need to update cabins and kept everything as is from previous owners. This resulted in a severely mismatched fleet. They had over 7 types of cabin layouts on a single a/c type, if not more. To the point where they needed to list the registration number of the aircraft on their website when displaying seat maps to passengers. Nothing was consistent.

So if the planes do get picked up, a gut is on order simply to update the cabin. But that would be expected anyway.
 
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RE: Transaero Fleet Already Finding New Homes

Thu Nov 05, 2015 12:19 am

I would hazard a guess that the B747's will be scrapped. The B737's, B777's and A321's will get new homes.
 
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RE: Transaero Fleet Already Finding New Homes

Thu Nov 05, 2015 12:36 am

Quoting ericm2031 (Reply 9):
I believe WN has said they only want new build 737-800s and not used ones

Yeah, I doubt they would want to pay FR prices for the B-738s, he doesn't keep his airplanes very long and tries to sell them when they are still fairly new.

Are there any other B-73Gs that WN has picked up lately?
 
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RE: Transaero Fleet Already Finding New Homes

Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:11 am

Quoting KirkSeattle (Reply 33):

I another thread someone mentioned there are 4 of them at MLB and are in a state of engine repair (engines removed, etc.). The company doing the work, if I recall, went bankrupt as they didn't receive payment from UN. Looks like someone will have to step in, get the work done, and get the birds on the market.


I know two or three are ex SAA and have RR engines. The other ones I do not know but I from the looks, PW engines. Such a sad sight to see. I have a feeling the RR birds will not find new homes but the other ones will.

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RE: Transaero Fleet Already Finding New Homes

Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:17 am

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 43):
I'm confused by your statement. Does this mean they're taking these 73Gs from WestJet? If so, did we already know about these, are is this a new purchase?

WN seems to be setting themselves up for the upcoming 735 retirements. I wonder if any of these will be for growth.

WN is taking -700s from all around the world.

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