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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:33 pm

I think Tocumen S.A. is probably pushing vivacolombia at the request of CM, since they came into the market ticket prices to BOG and MDE collapsed, CM used to be able to charge up to 500$ for a RT, which is criminal in my opinion and now thanks to vivacolombia tickets hover in between 200$ and 300$. Just to give you an idea a PTY-BOG segment is around 1:15, those tickets were being sold at the same prices as a PTY-JFK ticket, and that's a 5:00 flight.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 149):

Vivacolombia will not use ONX which is 45 mins from the city nor RIH which is 75 mins from the city. Also Panama will not give them any 5th freedom, remember that the Motta family which own a lot of CM stock and the Atenza duty free stores, are the ones who put the most money for the presidential campaign of (tortugon) Varela and his inept Panameñista Party. They are heavily invested in PTY and probably not big fans of competitions now that CM profits are in the drain.
If anything I feel vivacolombia would be better off in PTY going head to head with CM. Passport control is very slow at BLB and they are building a new metro line to connect PTY to the city, which will be ready in 2020.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sat Feb 27, 2016 3:51 am

AA MIA-PTY 21x weekly will shift one of their three daily flights to American Eagle and operated by Republic Airlines Embraer E175 aircraft.
AA MIA-PTY 21 weekly: [AA MIA-PTY 14x weekly, 738] plus [AA MIA-PTY 7x weekly, E75].
Effective: May 05th.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sat Feb 27, 2016 3:10 pm

Good new for us spotters.
President of Taiwan will visit Guatemala and Belize on March.
He usually flies on a 747-400 from China Airlines.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sat Feb 27, 2016 7:06 pm

Quoting PTYtoDCA (Reply 150):
Passport control is very slow at BLB

The lines are not exactly short at PTY.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 151):
AA MIA-PTY 21x weekly will shift one of their three daily flights to American Eagle and operated by Republic Airlines Embraer E175 aircraft.

this is happening all over the region....KIN, BZE, SAP, GCM, SAL will all get some sort of E175 service in the next 12 months.

Quoting juanchito (Reply 152):
President of Taiwan will visit Guatemala and Belize on March.
He usually flies on a 747-400 from China Airlines.

the China 744 has been to BZE and GUA before...clogged the ramp at both location for a few days last time.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sat Feb 27, 2016 9:20 pm

SAL is getting the E 175's?? It's a good use of E175 for international destinations I guess to keep up with the frequency advantage.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sat Feb 27, 2016 9:47 pm

I found a nice picture of the American Eagle E75 aircraft.



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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sun Feb 28, 2016 12:15 am

Quoting PTYtoDCA (Reply 150):
Vivacolombia will not use ONX which is 45 mins from the city nor RIH which is 75 mins from the city. Also Panama will not give them any 5th freedom, remember that the Motta family which own a lot of CM stock and the Atenza duty free stores, are the ones who put the most money for the presidential campaign of (tortugon) Varela and his inept Panameñista Party. They are heavily invested in PTY and probably not big fans of competitions now that CM profits are in the drain.

While Motta family has a lot invested in CM (and PTY Tocumen) it also holds important investments in Colon.
If President Varela can't deliver his campaign promises to Colon, hell will break loose over-there and surely Motta won't want that either.
My guess is that Tocumen S.A. will make Viva Colombia an offer to use ONX that the Colombian airline will be very dumb to refuse.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sun Feb 28, 2016 4:49 am

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 153):
all over the region....KIN, BZE, SAP, GCM, SAL will all get some sort of E175 service in the next 12 months

Several airlines fly as American Eagle these days; E75s out of MIA are operated by Republic Airlines (YX).
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:06 pm

Surprise visit in La Aurora, was able to take this picture.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sun Feb 28, 2016 10:48 pm

Nice !
Remember those days when GUA was a base for Pan Am and the 747 was a common sight !

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:27 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 159):

Yup. Remember Pan Am flight 514: CCS-GUA-LAX-SFO? Back in the early seventies (73) and mid seventies (77) I flew the Pan Am 747-100 on that flight on the GUA-LAX-SFO sector.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:53 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 157):
Several airlines fly as American Eagle these days; E75s out of MIA are operated by Republic Airlines (YX).

We'll see how it plays out in the future as Republic has just filed for chapter 11 and is having serious issues staffing airplanes.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Tue Mar 01, 2016 3:24 am

British Airways plans to expand operational frequencies on London Gatwick - San Jose, Costa Rica route.
It goes from 2x to 3x weekly; effective: October 30th.
BA LGW-SJO will be served from May 04th.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:19 am

Seems like forward bookings are doing well. Excellent news!
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Tue Mar 01, 2016 8:19 am

Any chance BOC gets expanded/uprgaded to at least have fuel there.

Do "centroamericanos" have the same turbophobia that "norte americanos" do?

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:49 pm

Emirates will postpone again PTY flight, they say they will start it at the end of 2016 o starting 2017

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:34 am

Also Lufthansa started today flights from Frankfurt to Panama.
The airplane was a A340-300

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:45 am

Quoting juanchito (Reply 165):
Emirates will postpone again PTY flight

Having said that, EK DXB-PTY will never be the longest commercial flight as EK DXB-AKL just started on March 01st.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:39 am

FRA PTY should do well for LH
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:22 am

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 168):
FRA PTY should do well for LH

I'd hope so.
LH FRA-PTY 5x weekly is facing daily services towards Europe on OneWorld and SkyTeam grouping. Thus, that flight should operate on a daily basis more sooner than later.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:17 am

Any pictures from the LH FRA-PTY inaugural? Could be that after they postponed their launch to now, I may fly them on my next trip to SJO, or at least they're an option. Though chances are that this time, AV via LHR is becoming an option as well, but I'll know for sure in a few months.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:15 am

DGAC officials are investigating an incident last Sunday involving a USAF C-17 at LIR. According to La Nación, the high-energy engine exhaust blew over an airport security cabin, injuring its occupant.

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 164):
Do "centroamericanos" have the same turbophobia that "norte americanos" do?

I avoid those cheap to build, cheap to operate, cheap to fix ATR 72s like the plague.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:41 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 170):
Any pictures from the LH FRA-PTY inaugural?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:45 pm

PTY-ROS.....nice! did not see that one coming. Perhaps Argentina is starting to do a bit better for CM.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:22 pm

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 173):
PTY-ROS.....nice!

CM805 PTY1520 – 0007+1ROS 738 x246
CM806 ROS0120 – 0628PTY 738 x357

Rosario is less than 350km from the federal capital, through the Rosario-Buenos Aires Highway.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sat Mar 05, 2016 2:28 am

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 173):
PTY-ROS.....nice! did not see that one coming. Perhaps Argentina is starting to do a bit better for CM.

ROS has been on CM radar for some time. Good addition to CM Argentine destinations. Now waiting for SLA, TUC or MDZ.

Quoting juanchito (Reply 165):
Emirates will postpone again PTY flight, they say they will start it at the end of 2016 o starting 2017

As time passes by, seems EK made a huge mistake announcing DXB-PTY non-stop.
Had EK thought of flying to PTY via an European airport without air-service to PTY, that flight could have started last month with acceptable loads.
IMHO, EK ever flying to PTY this year or next is doubtful.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sat Mar 05, 2016 6:51 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 175):
ROS has been on CM radar for some time. Good addition to CM Argentine destinations. Now waiting for SLA, TUC or MDZ.

A cousin of mine lives in Argentina, I believe in MDZ IIRC. So MDZ-PTY would be ideal for when she comes to SJO to visit.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 175):
Had EK thought of flying to PTY via an European airport without air-service to PTY, that flight could have started last month with acceptable loads.

They could also take advantage of 5th Freedom Rights whereever they have them. Germany would be difficult, though they used to have 5th Freedom Rights when they operated HAM-JFK for a while IIRC. So, maybe a flight via ZRH could've been an option, considering that there's probably no nonstop connection between Switzerland and Central America.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:50 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 176):
MDZ-PTY would be ideal

The Government of Argentina has demonstrated protectionism in the past against foreign carriers operating in secondary cities.
The former TACA tried unsuccessfully to fly the LIM-MDZ segment in 2010.




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Quoting viaggiare (Reply 174):
CM805 PTY1520 – 0007+1ROS 738 x246
CM806 ROS0120 – 0628PTY 738 x357

Rosario is less than 350km from the federal capital, through the Rosario-Buenos Aires Highway

I don't consider ROS as back-up for EZE.
Or maybe I'm wrong because MVD has been promoted by either CM or AV as a choice to reach the Buenos Aires metropolitan area.
The ground segment [Rosario - Buenos Aires] looks like easier than [Montevideo - Buenos Aires] by boat.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:00 am

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 70):
This could be a great business opportunity for AV, VU, and the charter airlines.
Quoting viaggiare (Reply 122):
local media echoed claims (link in Spanish) by a travel agency owner that his company was allegedly barred from offering travel arrangements for the stranded Cuban migrants at significant savings.

Update.. thus far the big winners appear to have been AV (migrants were put on late-night flights to SAL where they boarded buses that reached Mexico's southern border in broad daylight) and, more recently, Mexican charter airline Global Air (aka EasySky in Honduras) with the advent of nonstop charter flights to NLD (only 10km from the border crossing or a US$50 cab ride) and REX.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:25 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 175):
seems EK made a huge mistake announcing DXB-PTY non-stop
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 176):
maybe a flight via ZRH could've been an option

I agree that ZRH would be an excellent option. But for the flight to be successful, it has to serve all of CentAm and beyond, not just Panamá O/D. And no matter how you cut it, until the new terminal is built, that 772 would only further strain Tocumen's capacity.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:45 am

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 179):
I agree that ZRH would be an excellent option. But for the flight to be successful, it has to serve all of CentAm and beyond, not just Panamá O/D. And no matter how you cut it, until the new terminal is built, that 772 would only further strain Tocumen's capacity.

That's where a codeshare agreement with CM would come in (at least for CentAm flights). If EK wants to set a foothold in Central America, they need to codeshare, or at least interline with someone, be it with AV or CM.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:04 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 180):
That's where a codeshare agreement with CM would come in (at least for CentAm flights). If EK wants to set a foothold in Central America, they need to codeshare, or at least interline

I wonder how Star Alliance would react to one of its member airlines code sharing or interlining with an ME3 carrier that receives massive government subsidies, and whose most senior corporate executive is highly critical of the airline alliance model, to the point of saying it is “the old way” of doing things.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sun Mar 06, 2016 7:06 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 181):
I wonder how Star Alliance would react to one of its member airlines code sharing or interlining with an ME3 carrier that receives massive government subsidies, and whose most senior corporate executive is highly critical of the airline alliance model, to the point of saying it is “the old way” of doing things.

If that's so, and EK wants a piece of the Central American market, they'd probably be forced to start other flights to important Central American cities, such as SJO and SAL in the shape of a triangular route if necessary. Whether it's a viable option, I have no idea. That being said, it's realistically either EK starting up PTY with an extra stop e.g. in ZRH (including 5th Freedom Rights), or not at all.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sun Mar 06, 2016 7:26 pm

I want to give a shout-out to HN-Spotters for their continuous twitter feed of commercial flights to/from TGU/SAP/RTB and the occasional bit of aviation news. We'd like to see more Honduran aviation enthusiasts join us in the CentAm thread.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sun Mar 06, 2016 7:53 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 181):
If that's so, and EK wants a piece of the Central American market, they'd probably be forced to start other flights to important Central American cities, such as SJO and SAL in the shape of a triangular route if necessary. Whether it's a viable option, I have no idea. That being said, it's realistically either EK starting up PTY with an extra stop e.g. in ZRH (including 5th Freedom Rights), or not at all.

Or perhaps CM should heed the message of Emirates' non-executive chairman of the board: "A number of airlines joined alliances because they see the big ones there so it must be good. It doesn’t follow that if someone is big he knows more. (...) If we went with the alliances I don’t think you would see Emirates at the size it is today.”

It's a well known secret that LH is pressing CM hard not to codeshare with EK, so the Panamanians stand to benefit from being on their own and focusing on strong code-share relationships. They've already started their own frequent-flyer program, which is a starting point toward becoming more independent.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:41 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 183):

I too would like to see more of my Catracho paisanos on this site. Nice shot of HR-SHF! Sadly, it didn't stay long at Sahsa. The sister ship, HR-SHE, was the one they kept until the 737-400's arrived (and they didn't last even a year). I did fly several times on HR-SHE. Thanks again for posting the picture!   
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:25 pm

It should be noted that EK DXB-PTY supported CM-code flight numbers for other regional destinations as well as the Emirates - Copa Airlines codeshare service via Panama to Colombia.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:06 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 180):
That's where a codeshare agreement with CM would come in (at least for CentAm flights). If EK wants to set a foothold in Central America, they need to codeshare, or at least interline with someone, be it with AV or CM.
Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 186):

It should be noted that EK DXB-PTY supported CM-code flight numbers for other regional destinations as well as the Emirates - Copa Airlines codeshare service via Panama to Colombia.

Yes, EK had a codeshare with CM on its proposed PTY flight.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Mon Mar 07, 2016 4:14 am

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 187):
EK had a codeshare with CM on its proposed PTY flight

But as stand-alone codeshare flights only. Nothing beyond CM8030/EK252 and CM8031/EK251.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:24 pm

For all spotters: Ed Force One is due to leave SAL at 1100 local. Next stop: SJO, ETA 1215 local time.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:07 pm

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#edforce one scheduled to leave El Salvador at 1100 today, arrive Costa Rica at 1215

Delayed.. currently (1907Z) southeast of Liberia VOR
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:41 pm

Just caught it on Twitter via a Telenoticias retweet: Ed Force One has landed on RW 25.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:57 pm

We didn't get in GUA Ed Force One but we got today a Super Galaxy C5M and I got to be in the cockpit a dream come true. Will share some pictures later.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:01 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 191):
Ed Force One has landed on RW 25
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:11 am

Something I found from when LR was (as should have always remained) costarricense.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:09 am

Monday's BY038 LGWLIR flight was delayed for over three hours at Gatwick, as twenty-five drunken Irish passengers allegedly became abusive and had to be kicked off the plane. The pilot reportedly told a colleague he had not "seen anything like it in twenty years."
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:20 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 194):
Something I found from when LR was (as should have always remained) costarricense.

I never knew PA was involved in the founding of LR.

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 195):
Monday's BY038 LGWLIR flight was delayed for over three hours at Gatwick, as twenty-five drunken Irish passengers allegedly became abusive and had to be kicked off the plane. The pilot reportedly told a colleague he had not "seen anything like it in twenty years."

And it's not like there being a UFC event in LIR. In recent times, things like these happen when Irish fans fly overseas to see Conor McGregor fight. There were even scenes of Irish people celebrating at the lobby of the MGM Grand (don't remember if the hotel itself, or the arena) when Conor won the featherweight title at UFC 194 back in december.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:53 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 191):
Ed Force One

Everything went smoothly here, but in SCL while tethered to a tow truck for refueling, apparently a steering pin fell out, and there was a pretty bad collision with the ground tug, damaging parts of two of the engines and the undercarriage.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:07 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 197):
Everything went smoothly here, but in SCL while tethered to a tow truck for refueling, apparently a steering pin fell out, and there was a pretty bad collision with the ground tug, damaging parts of two of the engines and the undercarriage.

I saw the damage and I presume it should be repairable. I don't think they'll write off the aircraft because of this.

On a curious note, this forced Iron Maiden to charter a coach to get to Argentina.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Tue Mar 15, 2016 6:49 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 198):
I saw the damage and I presume it should be repairable. I don't think they'll write off the aircraft because of this

The initial assessment describes significant engine damage requiring extensive maintenance and possibly two new engines.
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