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Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:49 am



THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART LXIII

"CHARLES LINDBERGH IN CENTRAL AMERICA"

This series deserves a special tribute to Charles Lindbergh and his historic Spirit of St. Louis, in Central America.
I found evidence about his schedule in 1927-1928, touching all the Central American countries, where all the facilities related to aviation-wise were extremely limited, in those days:

December 28 1927: Guatemala City.
December 30, 1927: Belize City.
January 01, 1928: San Salvador.
January 03, 1928: Tegucigalpa.
January 05, 1928: Managua.
January 07, 1928: San Jose.
January 09. 1928: Panama City.


Belize City



Guatemala City



Edited on November 04, 2015.

[Edited 2015-11-04 18:54:55]
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Thu Nov 05, 2015 3:46 am

TS has begun 2x weekly seasonal 738 flights to RIH this week, two years after the airport opened for business.

Now that WG has company, let's hope more tourists will visit Coclé and the other so-called provincias centrales, including the beautiful Azuero Peninsula.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:49 pm

I posted this in our thread a few episodes back, but here is a pic of Lindbergh landing on the Barracks' Green in Belize City. The man i the corner of the pic is my great grandfather.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Thu Nov 05, 2015 3:27 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 2):
The man i the corner of the pic is my great grandfather

Ah, the British colonial days. I assume you are referring to the smartly dressed gentleman wearing round glasses, hat, and what appears to be either a lapel ribbon or a boutonnière, standing next to the aviator.
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Thu Nov 05, 2015 3:38 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 3):
Ah, the British colonial days. I assume you are referring to the smartly dressed gentleman wearing round glasses, hat, and what appears to be either a lapel ribbon or a boutonnière, standing next to the aviator.

I guess i should have been more precise....the gentleman on the left with hat in hand.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:53 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 4):
I guess i should have been more precise....the gentleman on the left with hat in hand

He looks like a tycoon. Guess back then it would have been unthinkable that one day, once free from monarchical rule, the prime minister's formal dress could consist of a white guayabera and slacks.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Fri Nov 06, 2015 3:52 am

CM PTY-BOS goes from 7x to 5x weekly.
Effective: March 01 - May 31.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:00 am

How can CM be struggling on both ORD and BOS? I'm flying PTY-BOS later in the month and my plane changed form a 737G to a 737-800. I know that doesn't mean anything but I just think it's strange.
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Sat Nov 07, 2015 8:06 am

Quoting avi8 (Reply 7):
How can CM be struggling on both ORD and BOS?

CM is feeling the pain of Brazil's recession and its stress on the R$. That means less Brazilians traveling to the States.
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Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:37 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 8):
CM is feeling the pain of Brazil's recession and its stress on the R$. That means less Brazilians traveling to the States.

Add to that, CM times to/from both BOS and ORD aren't that attractive to any PTY O/D (plus other connections) it could rely upon to improve loads.
IMHO, eventually CM will feel the pain of keeping too many aircraft, too long on U.S./Canadian airports overnight.
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Sun Nov 08, 2015 12:17 am

Quoting avi8 (Reply 7):

How can CM be struggling on both ORD and BOS? I'm flying PTY-BOS later in the month and my plane changed form a 737G to a 737-800. I know that doesn't mean anything but I just think it's strange.

Concerning BOS its a seasonal thing June-Aug and Dec-Feb are really good for CM.
Many European airlines serve BOS trim during offpeak (dead of winter) times as well. 73G's are being phased out and it seems lately that one flight a week is the smaller plane.

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 8):
CM is feeling the pain of Brazil's recession and its stress on the R$. That means less Brazilians traveling to the States

For BOS - Brazil wasn't even in the Top 5 connecting points that enilria shared in one of his threads.

MDE, GUA, SJO, BOG, LIM are the top 5 connecting destinations for BOS-PTY

I'm willing to bet any premium pax are going to Brazil and deep South America on DL, UA, or combination of AA/JJ/LA via MIA or JFK.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 9):
Add to that, CM times to/from both BOS and ORD aren't that attractive to any PTY O/D (plus other connections) it could rely upon to improve loads.

About 20% of BOS-PTY pax are O+D between the two cities. CM carried 67392 pax in 2014. So O+D from CM alone was about 13478.

It wasn't a big market to begin with: 11,430 pax in both directions combined in 2011. Some modest stimulation for sure (don't know total O+D for 2014) and its sure to grow at some point with the trade missions Massachusetts has made to the area.

The only problem I see for CM is AV gearing up to launch BOS-BOG.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 9):
Add to that, CM times to/from both BOS and ORD aren't that attractive to any PTY O/D (plus other connections) it could rely upon to improve loads.
IMHO, eventually CM will feel the pain of keeping too many aircraft, too long on U.S./Canadian airports overnight.

I think they would be attractive to the O+D market since they are not red-eyes. A 5-5.5 hour red-eye is painful regardless of direction and not much of a time change. Agree with you on keeping the plane in BOS overnight and I think the red-eye is their best case but the PTY-JFK redeye times are brutal and CBP won't staff a 3:30 arrival but they would staff a 5:30 arrival since they are doing that for TLV-BOS on LY and B6 has two Dominican (STI/SDQ) flights come in at 7:00am too.
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Sun Nov 08, 2015 3:02 am

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 10):
Agree with you on keeping the plane in BOS overnight and I think the red-eye is their best case but the PTY-JFK redeye times are brutal and CBP won't staff a 3:30 arrival but they would staff a 5:30 arrival since they are doing that for TLV-BOS on LY and B6 has two Dominican (STI/SDQ) flights come in at 7:00am too.

PTY-BOS red-eyes might work well only summertime, PTY departure 2230h BOS arrival 0500h, rest of the year may be best with PTY departure 0745h back in PTY 2045h.

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 10):
The only problem I see for CM is AV gearing up to launch BOS-BOG.

AV will be going after the same market and if AV flies wide-body BOG-BOS, it surely will grab a piece of the premium pax between Brazil/Argentina and BOS.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sun Nov 08, 2015 1:20 pm

Bear in mind the reduction of weekly frequencies on CM PTY-BOS is only seasonal: from March till May 2016.
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Mon Nov 09, 2015 2:31 pm

I saw this gem of a Tan Sahsa poster in a travel agent today.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Mon Nov 09, 2015 3:09 pm

Copa must have a decent amount of slack in their fleet right? They are ending two routes, cutting a few frequencies here and there... I wonder what they will do. How are MSY and TPA doing?

Does CM intend ro replace all of the 737NG? Or just the old ones?
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Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:57 pm

Quoting avi8 (Reply 14):
I wonder what they will do.

start BZE
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:19 am

Quoting avi8 (Reply 14):
Does CM intend ro replace all of the 737NG?

Only brand new 738s into their fleet, since 2007.
Their 73Gs will be replaced in the forthcoming years.

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Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:16 am

7P Air Panama to operate PAC - AXM Armenia Colombia.
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Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:27 am

The new international service to Armenia is due to start on December 01st and it will be scheduled as 7P PAC-MDE-AXM.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:56 pm

Going back to BOS-PTY

Bureau of Transportation Statistics released May 2015 data.

CM BOS-PTY-BOS had 5207 passengers for a 77% LF.

The year before the route had 5573 passengers for 71.8% LF%

Going to 5 weekly may be the right move for the offpeak times but I think they may want to start the daily service mid-may to take advantage of the students needing to go home for the summer.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:30 am

Let's study carefully the schedule allocation on CM PTY-BOS:

CM 311....PTY 11:48...BOS 17:29
CM 312....BOS 08:26...PTY 14:18

I don't envisage issues related to connections once at PTY. In my view, the flight is properly timed.
I believe that the Brazilian passengers through PTY are not desperately loading that flight as pointing out above.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:19 pm

A senior Iberia official says the size and characteristics of the SJO runway do not pose any issues for safe landing of their A346s.

Iberia descarta problemas por tamaño de pista de aterrizaje en el Juan Santamaría (use private browsing or incognito mode to get around La Nación's paywall)

En el último mes y medio sólo se han desviado dos vuelos, uno a Panamá y otro al Daniel Oduber, en Liberia, Guanacaste, pero por problemas de visibilidad y no de tamaño o características de la pista de aterrizaje del aeropuerto Juan Santamaría.
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Fri Nov 20, 2015 3:20 am

Lufthansa and Copa Airlines commenced an unilateral code-share partnership as shown:

Lufthansa operated by Copa Airlines.
Panama City - David
Panama City - Guayaquil
Panama City - Miami
Panama City - Quito
Panama City - San Jose
Effective: November 09.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 17):
7P Air Panama to operate PAC - AXM Armenia Colombia.
Just saw an ad on CorredorSur this morning.

And the sign said: "Armenia, eje cafetero" or so.


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Sat Nov 21, 2015 2:06 pm

Progress of the south pier at Tocumen International Airport, Panama City:



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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:01 am

Anyone know how average processing time at passport control has developed at SJO since last week? Since the scandal with the stolen Greek passports, waiting times were, also largely due to understaffing, like 2 to 4 hours at peak times according to the news media on Thursday/Friday. Or is that largely overstated?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:01 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 24):
Anyone know how average processing time at passport control has developed at SJO since last week? Since the scandal with the stolen Greek passports, waiting times were, also largely due to understaffing, like 2 to 4 hours at peak times according to the news media on Thursday/Friday. Or is that largely overstated?

Following that incident, Immigration officials have implemented stricter passport controls. They're now manually scrutinizing passport numbers, in addition to the customary automatic passport name checks.

Those lines choking the SJO passenger terminal on Friday (the day all airports and land ports of entry were ordered to double down on enforcement) were exceptional.

Since then it has been greatly dependant upon the time and day of arrival. Wait times are about two hours max during peak periods, and remain minimal on weekends between 11am and 5pm.
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Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:51 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 24):
also largely due to understaffing

True.. not enough staff to man all twenty-four counters. During peak periods, Migración has no more than ten to twelve of its own employees on duty, plus five more on loan from Vigilancia Aérea.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:25 am

Well, since I'm arriving at nighttime for my christmas vacation in SJO, I hope it won't be that bad with the lines. But the understaffing bothers me, I had to suffer the consequences from it nearly six years ago in MEX. That, and the false information regarding going through customs with my backpack, nearly cost me my connection to FRA. Something needs to be done.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:19 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 27):
But the understaffing bothers me
Migración currently has 113 agents staffing its 24/7 operation at SJO.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:37 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 27):
I'm arriving at nighttime for my christmas vacation in SJO, I hope it won't be that bad with the lines.

If you're still keeping the Costa Rican citizenship, you can use the dedicated line for nationals, which is faster than the regular one.
If the counter designed to the crew members is free, they usually help to Costa Rican travellers.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:38 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 29):
If you're still keeping the Costa Rican citizenship, you can use the dedicated line for nationals, which is faster than the regular one.

Since I'm born Costa Rican and German, that's not the issue. I'm travelling on a German passport though, and my Costa Rican ID has expired 5 years ago.

Curiously, and that didn't happen in 2010, when I left SJO last year, they did ask for my Costa Rican ID number. Don't know what the point of it was, since, again, I'm travelling with a German passport.
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Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:36 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 30):
when I left SJO last year, they did ask for my Costa Rican ID number. Don't know what the point of it was, since, again, I'm travelling with a German passport

Migración was making sure you weren't trying to skip alimony and/or child support payments, or otherwise defying a local court order barring you from leaving the country.
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Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:35 am

A small airplane skidded off the runway on November 26 due to break troubles while landing in Tambor, Costa Rica.
No injuries on board.



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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Fri Nov 27, 2015 10:32 pm

Looks like CM is ready to go in Belize. A friend of mine there took this today. Looks like they are right next to WN

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:50 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 33):
Looks like CM is ready to go in Belize

First flight on CM PTY-BZE is due to start on December 08th.

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Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:01 am

Neither Avianca nor Copa Airlines are flying the SJO-SAP sector anymore.
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Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:04 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 35):
Neither Avianca nor Copa Airlines are flying the SJO-SAP sector anymore

Copa now serves SAP nonstop from Tocumen.

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CM275 SAP1359 – 1714PTY E90 14

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:37 am

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 36):
Copa now serves SAP nonstop from Tocumen.

The dedicated CM PTY-SAP 7x weekly complemented the extinct CM [PTY-SJO-SAP], in the past.
I had posted figures from Panamanian aviation authorities before and the segment PTY-SAP was ranked with the poorest numbers.
For the case of Tegucigalpa, Copa Airlines currently serves CM PTY-TGU 7x weekly plus CM PTY-SJO-TGU 7x weekly.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:09 am

http://www.repretel.com/actualidad/r...el-aeropuerto-tobias-bolanos-10349 (Spanish only)

After a failed attempt to close the airport at night, DGAC has decided to withdraw ATC personnel from SYQ from 1800 hrs to 0900 hrs local time, and have local and ambulance flights controlled from SJO during that time, officials from the public security ministry will be in charge of the runway lighting. It's all a cost cutting measure, DGAC hopes to save at least 180 million colones from this.

I don't like this a single bit. My parents still live within that 1 km radius from SYQ, and this sounds more like a measure at the expense of safety. The government sure seems desperate to impliment measures that don't have to go through parliament, just because they know they're not getting that juicy tax hike they were longing for.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:20 am

some updates from Panama Prensa:

http://impresa.prensa.com/economia/A...-viernes-Tocumen_0_4360813912.html

-UX will arrive to PTY on friday on 1 weekly up to march. they are working on possible 4 weekly MAD - PTY option
.VS is working on possible London - Panama connection.

http://impresa.prensa.com/economia/C...r-peso-argentino_0_4360813911.html
- similar to AA & AC, CM is no longer accepting Argentina Pesos.

http://impresa.prensa.com/economia/L...ara-marzo-Panama_0_4357814243.html
- LH will arrive in PTY on march 2nd with A340-300. LH signed an agreement with CM .
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Thu Dec 03, 2015 6:37 pm

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 39):
VS is working on possible London - Panama connection.

Question here is, whether VS would fly LHR-PTY or LGW-PTY?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Fri Dec 04, 2015 4:01 am

Copa Airlines expanded Cuba service this season as shown:

CM PTY-HAV; 42x to 49x weekly, 738. Effective: December 11.
CM PTY-SNU; 2x to 4x weekly, E90. Effective: November 29.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Fri Dec 04, 2015 4:19 am

I wish GUA got more frequencies from Copa. It's been a while since Copa added more flights from GUA.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:21 pm

Quoting avi8 (Reply 42):
I wish GUA got more frequencies from Copa. It's been a while since Copa added more flights from GUA.

They have upgraded some flights to 737-800 instead of E190.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Fri Dec 04, 2015 11:54 pm

CM has downgraded PTY-MSY to ER190, I just realized as i have a flight, and there is an equipment change
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sun Dec 06, 2015 3:52 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 40):
Question here is, whether VS would fly LHR-PTY or LGW-PTY?

Beggars can't be choosers, PTY, CM and Panama tourist authority have been after a LON flight for so long now that they'd be glad to even get a LGW flight.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 41):
Copa Airlines expanded Cuba service this season as shown:

Cuba might be waiting for PTY-SCU and PTY-VRA flights too.
If PTY-SNU works, then PTY-VRA might too.

Quoting snaiks (Reply 44):
CM has downgraded PTY-MSY to ER190, I just realized as i have a flight, and there is an equipment change

IMHO, CM should also try changing schedule to day-time rotation and see how it goes.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sun Dec 06, 2015 4:09 pm

Quoting snaiks (Reply 44):
CM has downgraded PTY-MSY to ER190, I just realized as i have a flight, and there is an equipment change

Probably a seasonal move. I work at an airline near the CM counter @ MSY and most mornings the CM counter is very busy. Busy enough to totally fill a 73G? Not sure. I expect this is just more closely matching capacity to demand. It's still a 4X weekly service. Also, the E90 offers a more comfortable Y product, IMO.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sun Dec 06, 2015 4:11 pm

Quoting SunsetLimited (Reply 46):
Probably a seasonal move.

Q1 is usually the busiest travel time to MSY. Don't know if that model holds true for LatAm traffic

[Edited 2015-12-06 08:25:24]
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sun Dec 06, 2015 4:20 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 45):
Beggars can't be choosers, PTY, CM and Panama tourist authority have been after a LON flight for so long now that they'd be glad to even get a LGW flight.

I was just curious about which LON airport is more likely to get service to PTY. The reasoning: SJO is far more leisure than PTY is, and while tourism to Panama isn't something to overlook, whenever I think about PTY, I think more of business than leisure. So while SJO gets BA from LGW, PTY is more likely to get LHR service than SJO was. Either way, I'm not complaining.  
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 63

Sun Dec 06, 2015 4:22 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 47):
Don't know if that model holds true for LatAm traffic

From what I remember, back when TA served the market. they always added frequency or upgauged to A320 during the summer months. Right now it looks like the 73G comes back in June, according to the GDS.
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