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klwright69
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DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Thu Nov 05, 2015 5:38 pm

 
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RE: DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Thu Nov 05, 2015 5:48 pm

already mentioned in the weekly OAG threads from sunday
 
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RE: DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Thu Nov 05, 2015 5:51 pm

Here is the link:

OAG Changes 11/6/2015: DL+LASSJC/AA-CLEPHX,-PHLAUS (by enilria Nov 1 2015 in Civil Aviation)

Is was discussed relatively extensively.
 
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RE: DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Thu Nov 05, 2015 5:51 pm

Quoting klwright69 (Thread starter):
DL is adding San Jose to LAS. Very interesting.

Thanks for posting, not everyone is going to read every line item of OAG schedule changes.
 
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RE: DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Thu Nov 05, 2015 5:53 pm

Quoting afcjets (Reply 3):
Thanks for posting, not everyone is going to read every line item of OAG schedule changes.

You didn't need to read every line item. ENILRIA has listed SJC-LAS right there on the thread title.
 
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RE: DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:00 pm

Didn't see it, again thanks for posting.
 
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RE: DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:06 pm

DL should add SAN-LAS as well. Heavily served but often packed to the gills.
 
klwright69
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RE: DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:07 pm

Interesting non hub route. Maybe more coming.
 
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RE: DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:26 pm

Considering DL has cut SJC-MSP and SJC-ATL to once a day, maybe they should think about adding frequencies to MSP and ATL, resuming the old NW SJC-DTW, and adding SJC-JFK before they add an oddball non-hub route like SJC-LAS.
 
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RE: DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:36 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 8):
Considering DL has cut SJC-MSP and SJC-ATL to once a day, maybe they should think about adding frequencies to MSP and ATL, resuming the old NW SJC-DTW, and adding SJC-JFK before they add an oddball non-hub route like SJC-LAS.

On the contrary, if you can make a P2P route work, why instead force flights through hubs?

Plus, how would SJC-MSP/ATL/DTW/JFK-LAS help out someone wanting to just do SJC-LAS?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you are saying
 
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RE: DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:42 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 8):
Considering DL has cut SJC-MSP and SJC-ATL to once a day, maybe they should think about adding frequencies to MSP and ATL, resuming the old NW SJC-DTW, and adding SJC-JFK before they add an oddball non-hub route like SJC-LAS.

Not that someone would want to but I bet DL would sell a SJC-LAS-MSP,ATL,JFK ticket if you really wanted one.
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RE: DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:35 pm

Quoting mpdpilot (Reply 10):
Not that someone would want to but I bet DL would sell a SJC-LAS-MSP,ATL,JFK ticket if you really wanted one.

It's not a bad place to host a focus city / hub at all. In Sept 2015, out of all major airports in the US, LAS clocked in the 5th highest completion rate (or 5th lowest cancellation rate) plus the 8th highest on-time rate.
 
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RE: DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:42 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 8):
Considering DL has cut SJC-MSP and SJC-ATL to once a day, maybe they should think about adding frequencies to MSP and ATL

SJC-MSP has two flights most days except in the lowest points of the year. I agree an additional ATL rotation would be nice (not to mention the existing one is only 5x weekly), but SJC-LAS is really a separate issue.
 
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RE: DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:54 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 8):
Considering DL has cut SJC-MSP and SJC-ATL to once a day, maybe they should think about adding frequencies to MSP and ATL, resuming the old NW SJC-DTW, and adding SJC-JFK before they add an oddball non-hub route like SJC-LAS.

I would imagine much of it is related to these being E175's. Probably not the right aircraft for those cities.

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RE: DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:22 am

Maybe they're testing the waters to see if they should move their Transpac hub/Asian gateway from SEA to SJC to replicate UA's hub up north off the 101 . . .  
 
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RE: DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:50 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 8):
Considering DL has cut SJC-MSP and SJC-ATL to once a day, maybe they should think about adding frequencies to MSP and ATL, resuming the old NW SJC-DTW, and adding SJC-JFK before they add an oddball non-hub route like SJC-LAS.

First, SJC-MSP is served nonstop twice a day on most days, normally on MD-90 equipment.

Second, perhaps DL knows more about the revenue and profitability of routes in their network than anyone who posts in this forum.
 
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RE: DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:53 am

Quoting BeachBoy (Reply 14):
Maybe they're testing the waters to see if they should move their Transpac hub/Asian gateway from SEA to SJC to replicate UA's hub up north off the 101 . . .

That would be awesome (but wishful thinking). The thought of never having to connect in LAX or SEA going transpac out of LAS, would be a dream, if we could connect in SJC.
 
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RE: DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Fri Nov 06, 2015 3:01 pm

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 15):
Second, perhaps DL knows more about the revenue and profitability of routes in their network than anyone who posts in this forum.

Always love when someone comes through with this comment. You mean the people responsible for profitability and planning of the airline know more than we do??? Nooooo. But at the same time, anything is worth questioning and talking about, that's why this is a forum. And it's not like DL has launched routes that haven't worked before because they're perfect, right?

In other news Boeing knows more about the 737 replacement than we do, Airbus knows more about the alleged A380NEO than we do, and FI knows more about hauling fish than we do.
 
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RE: DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Fri Nov 06, 2015 3:57 pm

Could this have been a preemptive strike by Delta, beating AS into the market? Seeing that AS has been adding more p2p service to/from California, perhaps the folks at Delta thought they'd get into SJC-LAS before Alaska did.
 
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RE: DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:54 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 11):
t's not a bad place to host a focus city / hub at all. In Sept 2015, out of all major airports in the US, LAS clocked in the 5th highest completion rate (or 5th lowest cancellation rate) plus the 8th highest on-time rate.

LAS? The yields are relatively low I would imagine.
 
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RE: DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:56 pm

DL is bringing back a noon departure SJC-ATL, morning departure ATL-SJC. This is during the high peak summer months. Thus making it 2 n/s flights daily
 
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RE: DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:58 pm

Quoting catiii (Reply 19):
LAS? The yields are relatively low I would imagine.

I'm speaking purely from operational PoV. Of course the yields are bottom barrel for many markets, but SJC-LAS doesn't fare too poorly.

In all of 2014, WN had a median one-way fare of ~$161, which isn't bad at all for a flight less than 400mi.
 
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RE: DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Fri Nov 06, 2015 7:12 pm

Quoting afcjets (Reply 3):
Thanks for posting, not everyone is going to read every line item of OAG schedule changes.



  


I never read those.   
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RE: DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Fri Nov 06, 2015 7:50 pm

It's a little bit of an interesting add. Delta did try sna-las and that didn't seem to work. I think it's similar situation secondary airport closer to a premium consumer from a Cali airport to Vegas. Iirc loads were just miserable on the wekdays. Any las to cali flight is pacler on thur, fri, sunday. Las is a very weekend oriented market from Cali. I guess we will see, maybe they also have a plane that would just be sitting around and this is a good chance to try something .
 
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RE: DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:21 pm

Quoting olddominion727 (Reply 20):
DL is bringing back a noon departure SJC-ATL, morning departure ATL-SJC. This is during the high peak summer months. Thus making it 2 n/s flights daily

It does't appear to be on the schedule yet (I tried a few bookings in June and didn't see it). They've done it the past couple of years - add it to the schedule, but it never ended up operating.

On an unrelated note - DL is sending the Falcons to SJC on a 744 tonite.
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RE: DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:22 pm

Quoting mikesairways (Reply 24):
On an unrelated note - DL is sending the Falcons to SJC on a 744 tonite.

Was wondering why there was a Delta 747 sitting at Landmark today when I went out for lunch at noon. Makes sense.
 
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RE: DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:31 pm

DL has been known for throwing odd-ball routes since they exited CH11 and decided to grow. Remember LAX-TIJ? Granted, thats not a P2P route but still experimental. Also routes like PIT/PHL-CDG and all the TATL operation out of EWR, and all the other non-hub focus city routes they do from LHR/AMS/CDG. This one is just being experimented on a much smaller scale. None of their new routes suprise me anymore, they're totally unpredictable on what they're going to do next.
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RE: DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:56 am

DL doesn't seem afraid to try new things, especially to keep s comoetator out.
 
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RE: DL San Jose - Las Vegas

Sat Nov 07, 2015 10:22 am

Quoting BeachBoy (Reply 14):
Maybe they're testing the waters to see if they should move their Transpac hub/Asian gateway from SEA to SJC to replicate UA's hub up north off the 101 . . .

I can see the NIMBY's and the San Jose city council blowing a collective head gasket over that idea      

IIRC, while the dot.com bust scaled back the original expansion plans for SJC (they originally wanted a $3 billion, 40 gate central terminal), the city council also weighed in in an effort to keep the airport from getting too big. I don't remember the exact details (I want to say that a gate limit was put in place by city ordinance, but my memory may be failing me), but the impression I've always had is that the city government has a love/hate relationship with the airport. A shame, really; SJC was my hometown airport growing up, and I always love to see it get bigger and add service, even though I'm far closer to SFO now...
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